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Published: 2020-03-04 16:41:31 +0000 UTC; Views: 728; Favourites: 115; Downloads: 0
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In Tabula Rogeriana by Muhammad al-Idrisi mentions a place called Ragvalda. I have used its Finnish name here because I don't know what it is called in English. It could be this place which is located now in LiikistΓΆ, Ulvila but in the ancient times it was in a town called Ragvaldsby in Swedish and in Ravani in Finnish for some reason there is still a part of the modern city that is called that but not this place.Tabula Rogerianawas written between 1138β1154 and this place and has been dated at least back in the 1200 century. The cross marks the place where the old church has been and those stones are its base stones, not really big building. This has been a market place and cemetery too.
Here's a map where one can see where the church and market place has been in the old times, it is the number four in the map. The red marking is where the river is today and blue marks the old river and sea, back then this was right on the shore of a sea but now the sea is some 12 kilometres from the place.
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Beautiful shot.Β
Black and white and composition makes this one a very strong image.
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Thank you!
It gives this an old feeling.Β
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Cool! It could be also the begin of some great horror movie!
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Cool looking place,.. interesting looking place. I would want to explore the area for sure.Β I think that cross more than anything, being there, gives me that feeling. ( I know you say it marks where a church used to be)Β But not first knowing that,.. it gives a very dark feeling of something else. ( as does the black and white of the picture, add to that feel too, I think)
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Thank you! It is, a glimpse to the past. It's funny to imagine that then it was right next to a sea and now there's a road and buildings around it.
It was a beautiful sunny day so I didn't think that this is a dark picture, but of course the dense forest makes it look so. What I read the cross marks where the altar has been, it's in same place as the modern church has, on the east side. And when I say modern I mean a church from the 1500'sΒ Ulvila's Church Infrared Try 2 Β
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That is amazing. Really amazing how much things can change with time. I know the folks who were alive back then if they could see it now would agree.
What I mean by 'dark' is not the day it self, but the photo being in black and white. Even though the sun is shining, sometimes black and white photography can cause it to take on dark feeling.Β That is what I meant.Β And then the sight of the cross,.. together gives it a dark kind of feeling overall, in the sense of something impending.
I just took a look at (and faved) that church photo,.. It's simply amazing that it dates back that far! 
I just love seeing things preserved; care being given to things which will one day become part of someone's history.
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Thank you!
The church is still in use and probably there has been some maintenance, the roof has been renewed in the sixties if I remember correctly. Not the oldest church but its the one that has had least changes since its built from that era. Here it is called stone church era.Β
The church is only building that's left from medieval times, it was surrounded by the city markets and probably a harbour or at least a pier. Back then people could come by boat to Sunday church. I am sure that people from that time couldn't believe their eyes.
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I wish all buildings were still made that way, using stone; they are more durable against the elements..(obviously, as it is still standing all these decades later! )
And yes, I agree.Β It would be amazing to go back and experience the area at that time. (same in the city where I live, which is Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; there were not all these buildings back then, the very tall ones especially; but much green land, and open space.. )
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Yes, a bit colder maybe. I don't know if there is any insulation between the stones, just the blocks and cement. Folklore tells that when the church was build (and the same story is told about many other stone churches) the parish promised to the Devil a church full of people, for a human sacrifice if he helps building the church. So there should be still missing a small stone from the roof, that way the church isn't finished and Devil can't claim his prize. 
Pennsylvania, the home of Liberty Bell. And the era when people wear silly wigs, especially the men.
In Pori where I live we still have buildings rather short, and that's similar in everywhere. Helsinki, Turku, Tampere and Oulu, those have taller buildings but nothing compared to yours skyscraper.
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Ooo that's funny 
Yep. That would be 'thee' same Pennsylvania!Β Β Β
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At the older times our Christianity was mixed with paganism, I remember an Easter belief where it is forbidden to go to the sauna on Holy Saturday. Devil and his minions are bathing there that night and if you're the last person walking away from Easter sauna don't turn to look. You might see the Devil in the sauna and he might grab you. In the old days sauna was in different building, nowadays you don't have be afraid of the last one.
Now we were informed that sauna doesn't kill coronavirus. There's an internet rumour that says it should help. Β
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Wowβ¦. very beautiful shot my friendβ¦
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You're very welcome !
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Have a nice weekend.Β
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A wonderful weekend for you too !
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Thank you! A bit strange, but I guess it's okay.Β
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I recently saw a documentary on Vikings and there was a part where during their expansion they came to Finland. I understand the Sumi (I assume they were Sumi) archers made a very painful impression on them. They never made any settlements there? I think the same happened when they landed in North America. The native archers drove them out. I wondered about why they could never seem to handle archers. I can't find much about Finland before 1000 ad. It seems like an awesome setting for a novel.
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I did find this, use google translate on it.Β yle.fi/uutiset/3-7971315
And here isn't any settlements, they have visited but not permanently. And you could be right about the archers, in ancient tombs have been found more weapons than others tombs in the Scandinavia from that era. Ancient Finns liked to fight.
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