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What is it with this sudden rash of people (I'm assuming from the adoptable side of DA) demanding to know how much to buy a Lock for? They're not available, they've never been available, and they'll never be available. GTF off my page with that bullshit.Β
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Thanks for the message, they're not related to me or the Locks. They seem to have been inspired by them in some part, though. I tried to help push the design towards something more unique that people wouldn't associate with me/Locks, but it's going to be difficult for them to escape that comparison. Β
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Ah, okay, it's good to have your official word on it! I hope you weren't bothered by this message--it sounds like you were already plenty aware of them--and it's a real shame that they made such a close knockoff. I hope it won't be too much of an annoyance to you in the future
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It's not a bother at all! I really appreciate folks looking out for similarities, and I'm always interested in hearing first impressions on designs. I hope it won't become a nuisance later, too. Thank you!
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Ok, I'll bite. I have no idea wtf you guys are talking about!
Lock? Adoptable? WhyΒ is buying or selling them so god awful?
Am I just old? What is the meaning of life?
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that is just downright disrespectful.
God knows how many time you put into those Locks and they just ask if you sell them
I seriously have no right words for this..
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The adoptable culture is so strange to me.. I've seen even sort-of-crappy creature designs auction off at over $300! Β It's enticing to join this crowd, especially since some of these artists actually make a living off of their work, but then again it feels very alien, even wrong to me, I don't know.. creating a make-believe cartoon character and selling it off just so someone else can play with it and resell it at an inflated price? The more popular you are, the higher the price goes.. I wonder how this effects our economy (even on a small scale?) It all feels very strange and unreal that money fluctuates around something like this.
I also remember that time when you were upset that people on DA were ripping your character designs and claiming it as their own, saying they came up with it on their own .. That actually made me incredibly angry, enough to go to that person's page and prove to them they were ripping you off. (Of course they bitched and moaned when I showed them a side-by-side screenshot view, but someone needed to slap them and point it out). Β Anyway, this is the kind of behavior that causes some artists to stop being creative, due to the fear that someone would rip them off. I've been there before and it's rage-inducing. >_<
So, perhaps this 'adoptable culture' is a kind of remedy for the blatant art/species ripping so prevalent in the past. Someone else in comments mentioned it before, but maybe you'd consider creating a new species JUST for the sake of selling? You'd probably make a lot of money as well as make a lot of people happy. Will they exist in your thoughtfully-created world? Or maybe it can be a different world. Just a thought, do what makes YOU happy.
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adoptables is one thing I will truly never understand
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ok but HOW MUCH IS IT do u sell 4 points will u make me a custom one (must be pink thanks in advance)
The internet is awful 8D
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/spray paints Jeih pink
VOILA! XDDD
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I'd like to see that
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Wow the greed is real now, huh
You'd think that people selling adoptables would have a sign in big flashing letters saying "adoptables here". It's kind of obvious that you don't do such a thing.Β
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Oh god, I'm so sorry about this man. :[ I hope they lay off, that's irritating as fuck.
I had something similar happen not long ago, maybe not an adoptable but someone claimed one of my dearest characters as their "kin" and a species I spent a looong time creating their "kintype". I dunno where the respect for intellectual property has gone.
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I'm kinda afraid of people trying that with me, at least I'm not popular enough for that to happen.
Β I just really don't like the concept of making species to sell in the first place. Β the ones I've seen too tend to not really be a part of worldbuilding (I'm pretty sure there's some out there, but I haven't seen them )
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Personally the adoptable community is a bane on the DA existance but they all pay ridiculous prices for ridiculous things without consideration for others.
/frankly you could exploit this as mentioned by Sharkfu and people who go crazy.Β
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yeah people need to know that when it doesn't explicitly say 'oh this is an adoptable!' IT'S NOT A THING YOU CAN BUY OR MAKE YOUR OWN OF.
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i don't really understand the adoptables community either. in the past if you created an interesting beast/species/ whatever it was just assumed that they belong to you, common sense indicates that using them is nothing less than sheer dickery (and copyright infringement to boot). i guess those days are long gone though.
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This can get very annoying very quickly. I know that from experience.
Do you have an FAQ? Perhaps with an FAQ specific to your designs/creatures that specifies what can and cannot be done with them might be a helpful option? I have found in my own situation that that helps reduce issues, so long as the FAQ links are somewhere really noticeable.
Hope this helps
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People will buy anything. Idea: Guinea pig adoptables. Weird, creepy, toothy things. I have a hard time seeing you offer adoptables, though. The majority I've seen are in that whole cliche cutesy anime/disney inspired-looking style.
Unrelated: I recall you liking Iris. An artist called Seabound is pretty good, too. Don't know if you're already familiar or not.
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Good thing I never got myself into things like that =.=; I did create adoptables before but they were Sonic chars and after I had them all adopted out, that was it. Never had any trouble...guess I got lucky.
What can I say though....kids are usually very stupid, spoiled, disrespectful, nasty little vermin. They're everywhere....and they're usually pretty difficult to deal with online.
Hopefully your dilemma will die off very soon!
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It makes me sad when some of my favorite artists to watch get targeted with this crap :c
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The whole adoptables community here has really shifted radically since your's and mine's heyday years ago. Way back then it was "I'm selling some things, here's my headworld, you can have this character".
Nowadays it's more of an informal game system, as if pet-sites merged with DnD but with a monetary reward. There's the massive breedable types that come with ranking systems, geneology, and the ability to breed two genotypes together to get a new one (the resulting geno informing how you design the phenotype according to group guidelines). Because the initial customs can be worth boocoo bucks, the babies people get from these are worth a lot of dollars too. I joined my friend's group DracoStryx to see what the dealio was. Her's was more streamlined and less confusing than most I'd seen. The monetary gains has been a good carrot to keep me doodling despite having a lot of work to juggle. It gets hard to make time for experiments when everything you do requires getting done NOW. Knowing my time investment in drawing these giant owl-dragons would result in gains, I was able to mess around. I came up with a coloring style that directly informed how I do my comic. And I've made some money doing it, so that's nice.
On the other side is the adoptables that depend on name and community fancy. These are more of a diceroll. People have always liked gimmicky things, so sometimes an artist comes up with a species type they can then sell en masse to people. They have no monetary benefit (unless the new owner decides to resell them), but they're something of a ready made character for people to play with. Or a sticker to look pretty. Or a status symbol even. This is much closer to the experience from before the DA points system happened. Β DA Points probably prompted the expansion of this community...giving kids an easy way to trade money without asking mom and dad's permission every time. Also, giving premium accounts the ability to turn DA points BACK into money. That there is key.
And the people asking you about Locks are probably assuming you belong to that second camp. It's a larger majority on DA doing stuff like this than headworld type things. Design and world-building is a minority skill. Most folks enjoy playing around in the sandboxes other people create. Hence fanart and fanfics.
With your Leothins, you could probably lean into this trend if you feel like. Set up a few designs, sell them at auction, and see how much they roll for.Β
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Great breakdown Fable, I didn't know all this. Much appreciated! Β
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Yeah, I used to be just baffled and poo-poo it, but carnivaleart has been working on a few ARPG types as a mod and then making one of her own (this is the first type I mentioned). I was curious and she wanted some work from me while I had a bit of free time, so I traded her some work in exchange for a big poofy owl dragon.
It's been a lot more fun than I expected. Kind of like how Windsonde or Hetherev was/is, except if you had a whole literal economy going on around participation instead of earning the right to access more prompts.
Some people are pretty cheap about it (like the 4 points for a full illustration thing joke is something I've seriously seen), but this is usually younger people with little idea of the value of time and nobody really entertains them. Out of curiosity, I wanted to track what the actual trends in value across the group I joined was, so I made a whole little stock market.
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/dβ¦
You got people selling the pets, selling rights to breed the pets, and selling Your Character Here type commissions. A lot of art trading and exchanging going on. And people using it as a way to RP and mess around with friends.
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I wish i could share this comment in a journal
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you can quote it if you want
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Wow, I'm so devoid of what's going on with dA's community these days since I stopped frequenting the website regulary, but that's kinda crazy, but also crazily creative @ ranking systems and all
Thanks for the input, it's really cool to get to know this!
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Hmmm.. out of curiosity did you per chance do any sniffing around to see if someone DID get their hands on a "Lock" design? If someone made a character based off your Locks, straight up called it a Lock, or someone else assumed it was a Lock that might be part of the reason why you're suddenly getting flooded.
I remember a time when "tail-mouths" (or whatever they're called) were just a thing I saw every now and again that 1 person was trying to start.
Next thing I know, I'm seeing those things all over furc and once point I actually had someone commission me for art and offered their OC tail-mouth as a potential subject as if ti were no different than "my cat OC".
I'd do a quick double check that there isn't a leak somewhere without someone using a Lock without your permission.
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I usually have an eye out for any hardcore emulators, I don't think anyone new has achieved that status as of late. But who knows. I did have someone create an inspired species off the Leothin and then turn around and market adopts of it, which was pretty eye-roll worthy seeing as anyone can make a Loethin without asking.Β
I recall rage quitting DA back in... 2006-ish(?) because so many people were ripping me off. That RP group that claimed I'd given them permission to use the Locks and then turned them into a giant sparkle!Lock shit fest was the last straw. That and the impersonation, that got old fast. Β Β
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That sounds horrifying. I'm pretty sure over the years I've seen your type of creatures be copied elsewhere to the point when ever I'd start to question where the 'style' originate from in the first place. You? Or somewhere else and you've just become the most popular? Β It's pretty screwed up. I think I'd go mad if people were sparklifying my artwork.
Anyway, your art's cool. I like checking it out every now and then, keep it up
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Tis a shame. Can't say I managed to dredge up much by searching around for "lockjaw", but perhaps if artwork of yours IS being used without your permission it might be under a different name or simply without the proper tag.
Sorry you have t go through all this. It really does suck that people can't keep their grubby mitts to themselves. :/
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I remember when that was going on, so ridiculous
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pfft, why must they demand such things >.< locks are your creations, not theirs. let them be beautiful with their beautiful creator~
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I wonder if it has something to do with the enormous ARPG craze that has hit DA something hard (Dracostryx, for example).
I've already been asked the same question about my own personal and private species. Kind of frustrating.
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That sounds like an incredibly annoying thing to deal with.
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Yeah, always fun when people don't freaking READ. Pretty sure I've seen rainbow-y sparkly Lock ripoffs various places... but not in a while or I'd be more specific.
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Wow, geez. Adoptables are something I never fully understood why they became so darn popular, but begging an artist to buy his/her original work is just sad.Β
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Just send Jeih their way. I'm sure he'll make a lovely pet...Β Β
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You tell em! Keep your beautiful Lock babies to yourself
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Adoptables are incredibly popular, I haven't been able to wrap my head around it either. On one hand, I can see why people want to adopt a Lock, but on the other hand, you've never advertised them as such and I can see why you are are annoyed. Β I am glad I haven't had that problem with Bladewind, but I think part of it is I hardly ever draw here anymore so she's off most people's radars. How is the Crowfall stuff coming BTW? Hope all is well!
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I don't begrudge the artists that do it and can make some good cash out of it, but the kind of audience it attracts seems to be more than a few shades crazy.
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Sadly, my last day at ArCraft was the beginning of the month. I'm doing work for another studio at present.
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Please pardon my interruption. "...Seems to be more than a few shades crazy." OMGoodness, I can't stop laughing at that, although I'm probably one of those "few shades crazy" ones!
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Agreed.
I went to the Crowfall website and see you are an Alumni now. I'm sorry you aren't with them anymore, but does this mean they are beyond the concept stages and getting ready to release? ALSO, where you at now?
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To my knowledge they're still producing content. I may have a hand in it in the future depending on what happens, but I'm with Gunfire for the next year at least.Β
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Well - congrats on the new job/studio! I'll have to look them up - it was interesting to see the work you were doing for Crowfall.
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Sorry to hear that you're having a problem with people giving you a hard time with your creations. :<
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So how much does it cost to buy a lo... oh, sorry!
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Sometimes I want to get into the adopt scene, but if I did, I wouldn't do it here. The children here are incorrigible, over-entitled, and just plain daft.
Seriously, reading this post filled me with so much boiling rage at what this community turned into. It stopped being a safe haven for artists and just turned into a breeding ground for thieves looking for excuses to justify their actions. Then again, I suspect that's sort of the entire internet, these days...
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