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Bitter-Cherry In reply to SeeInBlackAndWhite [2012-06-27 16:39:37 +0000 UTC]

Just credit the Academy if you use please o3o/

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SeeInBlackAndWhite In reply to Bitter-Cherry [2012-06-27 16:45:31 +0000 UTC]

Certainly ^^ thank you :>

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Bitter-Cherry In reply to tansyuduri [2012-04-07 23:24:05 +0000 UTC]

I honestly see no difference between her waist there and her waist in the other pictures... I don't remember but I may have even used the same base sketch for all of them... and well, while anatomy in anime usually tries to be accurate this is not possible, not 100% for the sake of stylization, however, I'm pretty sure this isn't the case with her waist here, she's certainly no Jessica Rabbitt and many women irl have waists that are way thinner than hers, it's her torso that's small.

Hmm you usually see this curvature in curvy women, more in small bodies but you still see it in general, especially someone with a good posture like her. [link] The difference with Priscilla is that she has a rather short torso and longer legs, which is okay too, you see that very often in women, but that's a natural curvature.

If anything, what's wrong there would be her nose and lips.

Thanks. Yeah, she kind of is, not what you'd call super rich but her family has money.

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tansyuduri In reply to Bitter-Cherry [2012-04-08 00:08:00 +0000 UTC]

People just don't have waists that are as small as their heads naturally.

her waist looks a lot like the type people get from tightlacing corsets [link] [link]

Ah ok.

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Bitter-Cherry In reply to tansyuduri [2012-04-08 00:28:46 +0000 UTC]

No, you can actually get one by wearing the right type of clothes, not necessarily corsets, and I already explained how proportions are not really supposed to be 100% correct.

You're also not getting how it's not her waist, it's her thorax that's small /the waist is where the belly button is/ that's how pear bodies are, small trunk big bottom. Also, while people are all different sizes, heads are usually about the same size, which is one of the reasons you are supposed to measure characters in heads, they're only smaller for kids and bigger in unusual cases.

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tansyuduri In reply to Bitter-Cherry [2012-04-08 03:06:59 +0000 UTC]

OK, so your not trying to make her as atomically correct as FMA usually is?


I know that about heads, I think you may be confused, I said that the waist (or thorax by bad) is not as thin as the head in healthy humans.
It might be that the thorax is just to short as well I dunno. It just seems like their is too much contrast between the boobs the thorax and the hips. It makes her look a bit bloated.

But then again if that's what your going for just ignore me

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Bitter-Cherry In reply to tansyuduri [2012-04-08 03:50:39 +0000 UTC]

[link]

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Difference with Winry is that her hips are not as wide.

[link]

And there should be examples with Riza out there too.

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Bitter-Cherry In reply to tansyuduri [2012-04-08 03:16:17 +0000 UTC]

Heh dude, FMA is not 100% anatomically correct, I swear, it's just the normal amount.

Because there is supposed to be...and the thorax and waist are different things, you are confusing the waist with that place where her thorax ends. She IS very curvy, she has a pear body which means she's small on her trunk but big down, and she happens to have some boobs too, which is probably what makes her trunk even smaller.

<_< Are you trying to start something?

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tansyuduri In reply to Bitter-Cherry [2012-04-08 16:28:05 +0000 UTC]

I know, it must just be the way parts of the picture's lines are done then or something.

It must just be that her hip to thorax ratio seems a bit extreme the way this is drawn then. and she doesn't really appear to have a stomach. Maybe if you made her thorax a bit wider it would balance things out?

No, I'm not trying to start something, why would I do that? I was just saying that it's all your choice, I'm giving critique. I'm telling you what I think seems a bit off, If you realize that that could make it appear a bit off but want to keep it that way anyway it's totally your choice, and it's perfectly fine for you to do so

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Bitter-Cherry In reply to tansyuduri [2012-04-08 17:46:42 +0000 UTC]

Uhm...

You do know a stomach is supposed to be about the size of your fist right? Organs aren't really that big... and some people just really DO have very wide hips. Wider than hers even. Naturally. Her trunk is on the small side, her bottom on the big side, it makes it look more "extreme" than it is, it's a visual effect. If I make her trunk wider or her hips less wide then I would be changing her body and she'd be just another boring OC with another banana shaped body like Winry's.

Because you are being rude man.... and you never comment on my stuff unless you have something negative to say, and even though I'm nicely explaining how these things work and even giving you example that this is just like this in FMA you're all oh well yeah whatever you want which translates into okay keep it like this but you are wrong. Also, I thought you said you didn't critique art, and well.. while I don't mind it general, I prefer to get on those pieces that say "Critique Requested" because if it says that it means I made an extra effort on those and not on the other ones.

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tansyuduri In reply to Bitter-Cherry [2012-04-08 19:28:57 +0000 UTC]

I apoligize. I think you may be reading more negativity into what I'm saying than I intend though no fault of your own

For me its very hard to understand the subtleties of whats rude and what isn't. I have aspergers and that makes it so I dont know what could be consitered rude or not in a lot of cases. and its weird when there are some times when something is rude and some times when its not. Once of the things that might be helpful is to separate what my words actually say and what they would imply if someone more normal where to say them. For me all those extra implicated things are almost always not meant to be there. Things that might sound like they are attacking you actually aren't unless the words themselves actually do. Take all the emotional and implied stuff out, add the fact that me saying something extra after I state my main idea is merely intended to explain my main idea not to make my main idea imply anything else, and I don't know what my main idea might imply so I have to say all that stuff, THEN you get what I am actually trying to say.

I'm not trying to be rude I'm just giving critique. What type of positive stuff should I say? saying "oh cool" even if I think that seems rather pointless because so many people do that already, The best thing for me to do if I like your art is to critique it and try to help it get even better. If there where not a ton of other people going "oh cool" Then I would say more positive stuff and give a more balanced critique to build up ego. but if that's being taken care of by others isn't the best thing for me to do to be the odd one out focusing more on what could be improved? I can try to be a bit more balanced if you need it. Everyone has a different amount of self doubt that needs to be taken care of with praise so it's hard to tell. Generally more popular people need less (Note I suppose maybe that could be taken as an aggressive statement and me trying to imply something negative, Its not meant to be! its just a statement of fact popular people tend to be more sure of themselves so they need less praise in order to feel good)

Oh I do critique art, I just accept things are actually intentional breaking of rules easier, which is why I mentioned if you meant to do that then just ignore me.

Oh ok so critique requested?

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Bitter-Cherry In reply to tansyuduri [2012-04-08 19:53:31 +0000 UTC]

It's not the "critique" that's negative... well maybe but that's not what I'm talking about, you darling are not exactly nice with words.

But now, if you don't mind some critique on your critiquing method, when you write a critique you go over everything, not just one or two things, you point out things you liked and disliked, things that were done right and things that were done wrong, this isn't even real critique we're discussing, it's an argument about FMA anatomy. But the correct way of critiquing is taking everything into consideration, otherwise the review comes off as rude, and I've seen you do this various times. Not talking about myself but random comments on random OCs. You know I've agreed when I think my effort was bad or when something looks crappy like with that animation practice even if the comment consists only of that, because it's true, but it doesn't change the fact many will think of it to be rude. There's actually etiquette for critics, you might want to look that up, anyhow, it's not the critique but your wording with certain things, and it's very annoying when I take the time to explain things and I don't feel like it's being taken seriously.

This is an example, it put it all together in one night, while I'm still pretty sure the anatomy is not exactly different from FMA anatomy, as FMA's what I've used to learn my anatomy for anime and manga. It's still not something I'm entirely proud of, not all of it at least. But I do make use of the critique feature DA has when I want it on something in particular.

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tansyuduri In reply to Bitter-Cherry [2012-04-08 20:25:54 +0000 UTC]

Going over everything would be overwhelming though. I don't want to hurt people. I used that critique method but then I saw people accepted your critique when you didn't use it and that worked for me a lot too.

I take it seriously. I just disagree, but Its OK for us to disagree.

So then why not say you are not entirely proud of it in the first place?

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Bitter-Cherry In reply to tansyuduri [2012-04-08 20:52:18 +0000 UTC]

That's proper critique, and it isn't overwhelming for whoever receives it if you point out their strengths too. As for critique, I never do unless asked to do so, and that's usually OCs, when I see something worth pointing out because it's good, I do. When I do critique art I critique art I consider not to be better than mine, and in rare cases art I consider is up to par with mine. I'm more of a OC critic.

That's kinda annoying because I've shown you proof that this is not unusual for FMA though.

Why exactly would I say that? To sound like a whiny little asshole who wants others to go "Omg what are you talking about this is preshus."

Not to mention that it is very rare for an artist to feel proud about a piece for longer than a week, I probably have a only couple of those I still like in my huge gallery.

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tansyuduri In reply to Bitter-Cherry [2012-04-08 22:27:54 +0000 UTC]

But there is no one proper way of doing critique that fits everyone. Just because one way works for some people does not make any other way wrong.
If you can see something in a piece of art that could be improved why not point it out. people have different strengths and weaknesses as well as preferences.

But parts of it are very unusual for FMA. Once you showed me the proof I looked for what else might be causing it to seem off because none of those pictures seemed off to me. And so I found what might be doing it and mentioned it.

But it wouldn't seem like that. It would seem like you are saying this is not your usual par and you're ok with that.

Then why not just mention that or something when others comment.

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Bitter-Cherry In reply to tansyuduri [2012-04-08 23:00:10 +0000 UTC]

But there's etiquette Tansy.

You won't find the exact same thing because almost all females have the same body structure, but you are talking about her trunk being too small and waist not wide enough, however it's only slightly smaller than what you see in FMA females, thing is none of this other characters has wide hips.

It would, perhaps not for you, but for many others it would, especially considering I have quite the hater-base out there.

Why would I go adding that to pretty much every single pic? "Oh it's cool but yeah I don't really like it that much."

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tansyuduri In reply to Bitter-Cherry [2012-04-09 00:57:39 +0000 UTC]

Yes but different people want different things from critique its very confusing.

thats not exactly what I meant but Look I'm not gonna argue.

you do? really? where? I've never seen any.

no I mean when people first comment?

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Bitter-Cherry In reply to tansyuduri [2012-04-09 01:07:42 +0000 UTC]

Uhm .... I'm just gonna trust my own skills and knowledge.

Uhm quite, just a while back there was even a manga fox thread that wasn't supposed to be dedicated to moi, but in the end it was. They basically took a fanservice-ey pic of mine and they kept the bashing coming... and I was constantly getting trolled in tumblr, I have an ASK account for my OC, until I disabled anons. I'm just ignoring them as of late.

So I should got telling that to everybody?

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tansyuduri In reply to Bitter-Cherry [2012-04-09 12:24:57 +0000 UTC]

Wow... Normaly encyclopedia dramatica is good enough to tell if someone has a hatedom.

but why not? It's better then arguing and people might even respect you more for it.

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Bitter-Cherry In reply to tansyuduri [2012-04-09 14:52:58 +0000 UTC]

It's probably not big enough tho, but to them, it's an insult that I can draw and I'm not drawing Edwin but EdxOC and OCs in general instead. I'm not boasting when I say I saw people saying they hated my stuff and all because most of my art was better than Edwin fanart out there. It's there in mangaFox actually.

I don't think that really makes sense.

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tansyuduri In reply to Bitter-Cherry [2012-04-09 16:41:47 +0000 UTC]

really? I thought there where some really good edwin fanartists out there like [link] and [link] and [link] and [link]

you do have more pictures on one account then most Edwin artists though well nishi might come a bit close

Ok. Can you tell me why not? am I missing something that it implies again? if so I'd like to know for future reference.

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Bitter-Cherry In reply to tansyuduri [2012-04-09 17:15:34 +0000 UTC]

I assume there are, and japanese art has really high quality, but in the end, it's just irrational hate. I don't even understand why because it's not like what I do changes the canon for them.

Hm it's considered weird behavior to do so. It seems like you expect a reaction from the other person. When one goes "I suck" and the other person goes "Oh no you are really cool D:".

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Bitter-Cherry In reply to MarvelPoison [2012-03-27 14:06:43 +0000 UTC]

Those are heads, not feet. XD She's 5'2.

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