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And you replied to me.
When my comment was to SOMEONE ELSE.
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I know.
I'm not saying I didn't. It's just that people are complaining about me commenting while they keep replying to me.
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If everything I say is tl;dr, then maybe you should stop shifting through all my comments and reading them.
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You're an idiot, I hope you realize this.
And if you don't repent your stupid ways, you're going to get hit by an anti-stupid bus someday.
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And why am I an idiot? Because I think it's silly to keep telling someone to shut up while continuously replying to them instead of ignoring their posts, like someone who really wants someone else to shut up would probably do?
But hey if you wanna keep pretending I said things I never said then have fun.
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Please point out where I said it was.
I never said you did. I was simply supporting my argument as to why most people will feed their snakes live mice over frozen.
If that's the case, it's my opinion that wild animals shouldn't be kept as pets which is a different discussion completely.
That includes birds, mammals, fish, amphibians, and other reptiles. Which means NO ONE should EVER own a pet. Know why? 'Cause in order to have a captive bred pet (including dogs, hamsters, birds, cats, horses, etc)... one had to have been captured in the wild somewhere down the line, been domesticated, bred, and then its offspring raised by humans to be considered "captive bred".
I've known other snake owners who have easily converted their snakes to thawed mice, actually.
Excuse me. Did I say all snakes can't be converted? No, I said most can't. I would know. You wouldn't. And I call bullshit on you knowing anyone who owns a snake, anyway.
I'm sorry that making sure your mice are fully thawed inconveniences you but to me that still does not justify live feeding.
I would rather feed my snake a live mouse than risk a frozen mouse not being thawed all the way and it getting stuck in their stomach/bowl. That's enough to justify it: the health of my snake.
They are still domestic animals that depend on you for their welfare, regardless.
So do cattle, feeder fish, crickets, mealworms. What makes a mouse any different from them?
I never suggested that you let them starve. If they absolutely will not eat frozen mice, I would suggest getting freshly killed ones, if that doesn't work either, then go ahead and feed them live.
"Freshly killed" is the same thing as "thawed", dumbass. They're still dead, and if the snake isn't going to eat one, it's not going to eat the other.
Why the hell are you arguing with me when you just went back on your whole bitchfest and said it would be okay to feed a snake a live mouse if no other option was available?
'Cause by doing that, you just backed up the whole point I was trying to make: Snakes are hard to feed, and if it takes a live mouse to keep them from starving, then so be it.
I'm only saying that if a humane option is available the humane option should be taken. I'm not saying I hate you for your opinion or anything, so your attacks and telling me to "stfu" and calling me ignorant are totally unwarranted.
It is warranted when someone who has no experience in owning a snake, comes in and basically says that the way we keep our snakes alive.. IS WRONG.
Which would be a valid argument if insects had pain receptors. Crickets and mealworms are not rats, in case you forgot.
What, because a rat can also be considered a pet, it holds something over insects? Where did you get that stupid idea, insects not feeling pain? Because they don't make noise? They struggle, they fight. Ever seen a cricket eaten by a small frog or Bearded Dragon? They aren't swallowed/gulped down where the death is probably instantaneous. They're usually still hanging out of the mouth, legs kicking/body squirming.
Maybe you could try replying without the emotionally-charged attitude, it really doesn't help you.
I'll change my attitude when you stop acting like you know more about snakes and their feedings habits than those of us who've owned snakes.
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Just a couple of nitpicks:
I was simply supporting my argument as to why most people will feed their snakes live mice over frozen.
Most herp boards recommend against it - in fact, if you live in the UK or in Aus, it is against the law to live feed unless it's a last resort. That gives me the impression that most people, at least in the Western world, feed f/t simply because of the risks associated with feeding a live animal.
Where did you get that stupid idea, insects not feeling pain?
Insects do not have the cognitive abilities, it is as simple as that. Observe a beetle with a crushed leg - it will continue to walk on that leg as if nothing has happened, whereas a mammal would favour another leg. Ants still eat things while they are being eaten alive, praying mantises still have sex while the female starts to eat them, a fly will continually land on a very hot surface even though it was damaged before, etc.
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P.S. I didn't "go back" and say that, because I never disputed it in the first place. I said that a humane option should be taken if its available. I never once said that you should let a snake starve before feeding it a live mouse, so I don't understand why you're aruging with ME either.
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"'Cause in order to have a captive bred pet (including dogs, hamsters, birds, cats, horses, etc)... one had to have been captured in the wild somewhere down the line, been domesticated, bred, and then its offspring raised by humans to be considered "captive bred""
I don't believe we need to domesticate more animals. I think we should care for domesticated animals we already have depending on us. We have thousands of dogs and cats put down each day because nobody cares for them. Honestly I think we can live without more species cluttering up the gas chambers.
"Excuse me. Did I say all snakes can't be converted? No, I said most can't. I would know. You wouldn't. And I call bullshit on you knowing anyone who owns a snake, anyway."
Then I can just as easily call bullshit on you owning snakes. Neither has any real proof of these claims.
"I would rather feed my snake a live mouse than risk a frozen mouse not being thawed all the way and it getting stuck in their stomach/bowl. That's enough to justify it: the health of my snake. "
I'm not saying you should risk it, just to make sure it's thawed all the way. But whatev.
"So do cattle, feeder fish, crickets, mealworms. What makes a mouse any different from them?"
They're not different from cattle. But I already pointed out that they are different from insects in that they feel pain.
""Freshly killed" is the same thing as "thawed", dumbass."
Um, no. Freshly killed would mean that they weren't frozen after being killed. Thawed implies they were previously frozen.
"It is warranted when someone who has no experience in owning a snake, comes in and basically says that the way we keep our snakes alive.. IS WRONG."
There have been snake owners in these comments who have said it's wrong too. In fact, this guy is a snake owner and says it's wrong as well!: [link]
So considering that he also owns snakes what makes his opinion less valid than yours?
"What, because a rat can also be considered a pet, it holds something over insects? "
No, it holds something over insects because they have pain receptors and more cognitive ability than insects.
"Because they don't make noise?"
Because they don't have pain receptors. I never said anything about noise.
"I'll change my attitude when you stop acting like you know more about snakes and their feedings habits than those of us who've owned snakes."
Even though there are people who own snakes that disagree with you, and you have no idea what my experience with snakes is.
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Then I can just as easily call bullshit on you owning snakes. Neither has any real proof of these claims.
[link]
Dante and Bootstrap.
With that said, I will finish ass-raping you and bestow you mercy because your double-talk and ability to convince yourself that everything you say is FACT, even when you're proven wrong, will continue to fuck you over when I'm bored of doing so. :]
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Lol, proven wrong about what? So you showed pictures of your snakes, good job, how does that prove my opinion wrong?
I just proved to you that there are snake owners who think live feeding is wrong..of course you ignored that :3
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LAWL. And you just ignored that I proved you wrong DEAD WRONG, that I do have snakes and that I could show proof.
Listen up, little dumbass: Just because a snake owner is against feeding their snake a live mouse.. doesn't mean they won't do it if that's their last option, and if they still don't because it goes against their belief, letting their pet STARVE .. then that is true animal abuse.
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I never said that you didn't smarty, I just said you didn't have proof, which was TRUE AT THE TIME until you showed me some. Are you just completely illiterate or do you like pretending your entire opinion is proven correct because you own snakes?
"doesn't mean they won't do it if that's their last option, and if they still don't because it goes against their belief, letting their pet STARVE"
How fucking hard is it to kill a mouse before giving it to your snake? Even if you HAVE TO BUY a live mouse is it really that hard to quickly give it a sharp blow to the head before feeding it to your snake? Are you so much of a pussy you can't kill a tiny little mouse or rat? There's really no excuse to not do that.
And if whether or not he's a snake owner doesn't matter in terms of the validity of his opinion then why the fuck did you mention it? What makes your opinion more valid than his?
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I'd also like to point out how inhumane, selfish, and thoughtless it was of you to make me waste my whole cigarette by making my busy replying to your ignorance.
I suggest that in the future you open up your heart a little more and be more considerate of the working class citizens who have to pay for their cigarettes instead of suckling on mommy and daddy's teat.
This once, I shall forgive you for making my waste my smoke, but next time you're getting an ass-reaming from yours truly.
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I don't believe I made you reply to my comment at all. I wasn't even addressing you so you were not even under any obligation to reply to me. So if you're gonna bitch about having to reply to me, then simply don't. Not my fucking problem.
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Wow, way to take a joke there, champ.
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I'd like to point out that intervening and killing the rodent yourself is unnatural, whereas throwing the rat into a the snake's den and letting it hunt it down itself is not. Snakes hunt rodents in the wild, it's their method of survival, as far as I know.
I'm not going to profess to know more about snakes than an actual owner, but it seems that your original post, calling it unnatural to feed a snake a live mouse, is contradictory to your new statement saying that the owner should kill the rodent themselves and feed it to the snake.
In the wild, snakes aren't fed a rat that some guy killed and tossed its way; They are fed by actually going out and hunting a live rat, and that is natural.
You claim to be against feeding a snake a live mouse because it's "inhumane" and "unnatural" when in reality it is no more unnatural than Hunter-Gatherer tribes foraging or hunting for food so that they may survive and it is no more inhumane than killing the rat yourself with blunt trauma to the head.
tl;dr
As much as you sit and BAWWWW and bitch about someone feeding a rat to a snake because the rat feels pain while being eaten, you're sure as hell gung-ho about inflicting the pain upon the rat yourself, in which case I conclude that you are nothing more than a P.E.T.A. wannabe and a sadist.
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whereas throwing the rat into a the snake's den and letting it hunt it down itself is not.
Snakes are ambush predators - claiming that they are "hunting" when someone throws an animal to them is the height of stupidity. In nature, the prey seldom is aware of the snake's existence whereas in a captive situation the snake is in plain sight. And as such would make the animal more defensive, thus increasing risks of bites from the prey animal. It is also stressful for the snake because it has lost its main advantage.
Any claim of the feeding to be "natural" is void because there is direct human interference in an unnatural environment. It's just as "natural" as me throwing a snake to a pit of mongooses.
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I never said I was against it because it's unnatural. You, like many other people, are misunderstanding what I actually said and building a strawman.
I don't support PETA btw, but thanks for assuming anyone who's against cruelty does.
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No, dear, you already built the strawman, we're just burning it down
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No, it's not really my fault if none of you morons understand the simple explanation I've already given regarding my point.
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The only thing that is 'simple' about the drawn out argument that you, for some reason, feel the need to have final say in, is how simple-minded your argument is.
Also, calling us morons is really quite childish, and only confirms that you know you've already lost this battle and are now resorting to the retorts of school children.
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Because you are so damn dumb, carrying this air about you like you're actually intelligent, allow me to just spell out this argument as simple and blunt as possible: I don't CARE about the damn mice. Never have, never will, as most snake owners think as I do. That was the whole damn point I was trying to make when I said I bought the snake to care for the snake; not the snake and its damn diet.
But you're so far up your ass to even see anything past your damn colon, much less see a valid point doing everything but flashing in large, neon letters. Life lesson, sweetcheeks: Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean it will amount to shit if you can't defend it properly, which you haven't been doing this whole damn time.
"Are you so much of a pussy you can't kill a tiny little mouse or rat?"
If I cared about the mouse, I would have bought one for a pet instead. I'm not required to kill a mouse, 'humanely' or otherwise. Live mice are cheaper and quick to dispose of: just toss the thing in the tank/feeding box and BAM! Down the hole it goes.
Watch out for the Anti-Stupid bus the next time you cross the street, plz.
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I don't CARE about the damn mice.
You should.
They are very important to your snakes. And if you were a decent enough human being, you'd care enough about their welfare at least not to be abusive. I've seen this line before... from people who make live feeding videos for entertainment, who laugh sadistically in the background. I hope you are not one of them. In closing:
If you did not care about the mice, you'd genuinely be a cruel tard to them. If you have reservations about their treatment, then you do indeed care.
Live mice are cheaper and quick to dispose of: just toss the thing in the tank/feeding box and BAM!
Frozen mice, in bulk, are actually cheaper. Mice aren't inanimate objects - callously regarding them as such just makes you look like an a-hole and really gives snake owners a bad name.
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If you have no interest in animal welfare aside from that of your own snakes, even though both feel pain, then there's no point in discussing it with you. No need to insult people and call them idiots for caring about more animals besides just snakes.
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I believe she care more for her snakes because they are her pets, and she has more than likely raised them from a young state.
It's the same manner that a parent would care for their children more than a stranger trying to attack their children.
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Then you're no better than PETA, even when you said you're not like them. 'Cause PETA also likes to stick their noses in the business of animal owners, trying to convince them that what they're doing is immoral and should be corrected.
Be happy that I'm not just buying mice and torturing them, which is basically what you're accusing us of doing anyway.
"No need to insult people and call them idiots for caring about more animals besides just snakes."
Your existence is insulting me.
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Oh please. Then I guess anyone who was against Vick's dogfighting ring is like PETA too, since the law "stuck its nose" into his business and broke it up. Your logic fails
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You'll just say anything and everything to try to minimize that intense hurt in your ass from having it kicked around the last 24+ hours, won't you?
Paying for a mouse (not a mouse cared and pampered for the sole intention of be bought as a pet, but a mouse BRED as food, like fish and crickets and cattle and worms) with the intention to FEED and CARE for another animal (it's not like the mouse isn't a part of the snake's diet) ... is NOT the same fucking thing as starving and beating a dog, and then forcing them to fight for their life against another dog (or be beaten and starved again, and possibly even be hanged should they lose).. for the sole purpose of entertainment and money for humans.
You are fucking disgusting for even DARING to compare such a horrific crime to something as perfectly legal and normal as this.
This is where normal, animal-rights activists draw the line with psychotic, no-life people of PETA.
They KNOW the difference between what real animal cruelty is.. and what isn't.
Snakes eat LIVE prey. It is natural. They are not fucking scavengers in the wild, idiot, so it is unnatural to feed them already dead food.
Please get that through your head before someone physically does it for you.
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They are not fucking scavengers in the wild, idiot, so it is unnatural to feed them already dead food.
No it isn't. Snakes are known to feed on carrion in the wild.
Paying for a mouse (not a mouse cared and pampered for the sole intention of be bought as a pet, but a mouse BRED as food, like fish and crickets and cattle and worms) with the intention to FEED and CARE for another animal (it's not like the mouse isn't a part of the snake's diet) ... is NOT the same fucking thing as starving and beating a dog, and then forcing them to fight for their life against another dog (or be beaten and starved again, and possibly even be hanged should they lose).. for the sole purpose of entertainment and money for humans.
What about the people who post live feedings on YouTube with rock music for their own entertainment? In principle, that is really no different than a person pitting two animals against each other to the fight to the death.
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I'll physically do it for her 
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At this point, so would I.
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Let us mingle, find an address, take a hike. Who knows, perhaps something bad will befall her?
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People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.
You are here arguing about how "inhumane" snake owners are to rodents for feeding and caring for the snakes. You are fighting for the side of the mouse.
You are bitching about things being inhumane and want the rodent's death to be a quick one, to reduce the amount of pain is felt. By all means, you are for the ethical treatment of animals, though ethics are the bounds of morality, and morality is really an individual topic, not the status quo for the world.
Nonetheless, you are for giving the mouse a quick death, thus affirming your wish to have it treated ethically, or 'humanely,' as you put it.
Now, I think it goes without saying that you are a person, I'm sure you won't argue that point, and if you do it will be nothing but idiocy.
All of this being said, I conclude that you are, in fact, a Person for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.
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You do not need to be a PETA member to believe all the above. I would have thought that would just be common human decency.
PETA are against owning pets and are vegans. I own a few pets and my favourite food is steak, but disagree with live feeding (unless its a last resort)... thus, I do not follow PETA's fundamental views on animal rights.
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"Are you so much of a pussy you can't kill a tiny little mouse or rat?"
Because it's more humane to kill it yourself.
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I love you so fucking much.
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Oh, okay. So your suggestion would be to starve the snake to death? That's nice and humane. Killed or pre-killed, someone still killed the rat, right? What's more humane? Having a machine snap it's neck for the snake, or allowing the snake to hunt and the rate to die naturally?
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It's more humane to snap a rats neck if you know how to do it right or use a mouse trap to sever or snap the rat's neck entirely.
Depending on the size of the animal and the longevity of the nerves in the spine, it can take seconds for the rat to die, or in a whale's case, 3min when the spine is severed.
That's more humane than the rat suffocating for minutes possibly about 30 depending on how long it takes for the animal to die, idk the real time.
But is it more humane? Yes.
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But some snakes will only eat live mice, not dead ones.
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Every owner should try every method possible if it prevents unneeded excess harm to the prey animal or snake.
Each snake is different, and might need a different method, but if done correctly then the chances are high that it will except.
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Uhh, having a machine snap its neck, obviously, is a lot better than being slowly suffocated. Being "natural" does not mean "less painful or torturous."
And please point to where I said we should never feed snakes anything at all.
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