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-English-WARNING: There is lots of butts.
Now that I got that warning out of the way, I also wanted to add one more little info on my 'studies' like how 'stylized' tails can use regular pants that are low waist, while pants with high waist, skirts/dressed the character will also need customize those clothings to accomodate the tail.
I'm not sure if I can really call this a 'tutorial' but this is something that was stuck on my mind for a while and I had to draw this out and share with you guys, maybe it will be helpful maybe it will not. But it was very interesting for me doing those first drawings at the top with the skeletons, I used some references for that and I may have messed up a little bit on the anatomy but I hope you guys can get the idea I'm trying to put here.
Also this thing should have been finished a week ago if my computer hadn't died on me.
Hope you guys enjoy this!
-Portugues-
AVISO: Tem varias bundas.
Agora que tirei o aviso do caminho, eu tambem queria adicionar mais um pequeno info nos meus 'estudos' de como as caudas 'estilizadas' podem usar calças com cintura baixa, enquanto que com calças de cintura alta, saias/vestidos o personagem tambem vai ter que modificar essas roupas pra acomodar a cauda.
Eu nao tenho muita certeza de chamar isso aqui de 'tutorial' mas é also que estava presa na minha mente por um tempo e eu tive que desenhar isso e compartilhar com voces, talvez sera útil ou talvez nao. Mas foi muito interessante eu fazer esses primrios desenhos no topo com os esqueletos, eu usei umas referencias pra isso e eu talvez tenha errado um pouco na anatomia mas espero que voces consigam pegar a ideia do que tentei fazer aqui.
E isso tambem deveria ter sido terminado uma semana antes se meu computador nao tivesse morrido.
Espero que voces gostem disso!
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The second part is inaccurate as it would literally 'break' the spinal cord & put too much strain on the lower back & hips, not to mention the "lump" that the Tail would ensue. I'm more of an Anatomy guy when it come to this stuff.
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For second part, you mean the second example or the part where it shows both examples?
Cause for both it isn't super perfect, but the idea of the tail on a human would be probably closer to how it is on monkeys which its still not at the super top of the pelvis like it is in most anthros
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er, the second one where the Tail is too high.
I don't see Humanoids with oddly shaped hips & walking movements, do ya?
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Thats why its called 'stylized', its where most anthro/neko creatures have their tails, over their buttcheeks :v
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Yeah, I knows. I almost used to do until I figured out that it wouldn't work in an anatomical fashion. "Stylized" or no, it just aint right.
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Like I stated, its up to each individual which they wanna use or not
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tbh, i really wish the more "Feral" variant (as you called it)was used more. not because i think it's inherently superior, im all for throwing normal anatomy out the window if the artist just prefers it that way. but like, speaking as someone trying to design a mostly humanlike race of creatures, tails on the more traditional way to draw them just looks painful. could imagine having to lay on your back?? it looks awkward and painful. but you put slightly lower, not only is more logical, but really the hurdals left are clothes and chairs. which is easily solved with just changing how that stuff is... well. designed for people with tails.
but nah that isn't aesthetic enough i guess. seriously i once saw someone critcize the anatomical method by saying "it's a butthole tail"...hate to break it too you partner, but most tails are just above that. sad reality that.
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BUT YOU GOTTA SHOW THE BUTT!!!
Jokes aside, its cause most people don't see the 'real' anatomy of it or imagine it as a logical/practical way, so they go the easy route of just putting it above the buttcheeks without much thought (and as you said, the 'aesthetic' is more pleasing)
And that criticism I THINK I may have seen it before? Was it a post shared on tumblr? Cause a BUNCH of people replied to it and pointed out how wrong that was (and that is not where a butthole is lmao) and yeah, realistically speaking tails are just right above that (no idea how people realize that when theres bunch of dogs and cats around x'DD)
That the person who originally made it deleted the post but the reblogged versions are still up and can still see the original image
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tails could have been useful like if you fell on your butt or make a really sharp turn some people struggle balancing them selfs by turning its hard to bileave but its true I don't think tails should have never been removed to humanity
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I know this is an old post, but this is the first thing that came to mind when I saw the feral type: where's the butthole?
I'm actually serious here, imagine when they eat something, and need to use the bathroom. How would the 'waste' get out? I look at pictures of normal coccyx, where is located, what's it's function, and what's around it. No matter how I look at it, I see it as a great success the way the human coccyx is. For example:
1. If it was too thick, like the feral lizard, it would literally block the anus.
2. With it's shape, if it was any longer, it would pierce through the anus, or other organ.
According to some sources, the tailbone is used to support the human weight, when we seat leaning back, and support some pelvic muscles. However, the "natural" tail would be fine, and let the person seat, but could not lean back, unless the tail bone was extremely flexible.
The "stylized" version seems to be as functional as the normal tailbone. The owner could sit on the tail, or the tail could help support the back. Kind of like a triangle: This side is the tail ----> /\ <---- This side is the column or the butt.
I'm no artist, but when I saw this post: sketchbook.wittastic.com/post/…
It made me think. The last things would be: 1) It's fiction, it's not exactly supposed to make sense. 2) The character could adapt to it's condition.
Anyways, thanks for making this tutorial, it really helped me, since I'm planning to commission a character with a thin lizard tail.
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It's suppose to be in the same place as a normal anus should be
Because so many anthro artists when do stylized tail, and put at the top of the buttocks, they actyally end up changing the position of the anus to be RIGHT below the tai so thet have those sexy pics of characters lifting their tails and the anys is under it which is actually not in the right normal body position, just trying to imagine those characters (with stylized tails) sitting down on the toilet would be completely weird and funny
While in a more 'realistic' tail if you lift it up, the anus would be in the right location where you would expect it to be (either in humans or normal animals)
I mean I'm not expert on 100% realistic body function and biology, but I don't think the thick tail would affect is that much?
And from that post, yeah I remember seeing the original post (and I think the original creator deleted the post, since so many people pointed out how wrong it was, and THAT'S NOT WHERE THE ANUS IS LOCATED!! Geez That bothered me so much when I first saw it XDD)
But reading the reply post about the thicker tails, I also kinda adress it here but in my case I get rid of the buttocks and made the skin and muscles from around the pelvis and hips go connected directly to the body, which may limit some body movements
Either way, like you said it's still fiction and people will sometimes break reality and it's all up to the what kind of style they want to use
Here I just try to explain my point of view and what I think looks better in general, and also show the different of stylized and 'realistic'
And no problem! I'm glad it helped you in some way haha
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Hey, thanks for the reply. I can't believe that many anthro artists would do that, anyone could see that it's wrong.
I'm glad you saw that I wasn't trying to attack you, or anyone for that matter. My head just wanted to find the logic in this stuff, but yeah. It's all just fiction, and artists should have fun making it the way they want it.
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No problem, and yeah they don't care cause ITS SEXY BRUH
Nah it's fine, got some other people making different questions about this
But even though its fiction it I still think it need some rules based on reality (even if not 100%) so that's why I gave random ideas on how to make different styles for thicker tails if you want a more humanoid bottom
Or how pants should be designed for characters with tails etc.
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this was my exact question... i have been doing so much "research" and actual research on this stuff...
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grave digging, i know...
but here are my two cents:
on anthros (scalies) with thick based tails the more anatomically correct approach to waste disposal (aka butthole) would involve getting rid of it alltogether and have the character have a cloaca.
though thats most likely a thing that many people would not find very appealing, so again artistic freedom wins against realism and some of the resulting problems get handwaved.
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Another thing I would add is if the humanoid has a really long tail they should also have a button like one's who's tails get wider farther from the base.
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I rarely draw suuuper long tails, but I guess that would also help a lot to not waste time putting on some pants lmao
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This tutorial could be a useful visual reminder for my homin race, thanks for the info!
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No problem~
I'm glad it can be helpful for you :3
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I'm glad it's something you were looking for haha
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Muito bem explicadenyo!!!
Amei o estudo/tutorial! *u*
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Bundas :v xD
Achei muito bom e informativo, mas fiquei com uma questão enquanto o posicionamento e como ficariam apresentadas as genitais no anthro dino/dragão
(eu sei q foi uma pergunta meio estranha, mas tenho q sanar ela xD)
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Nesta caso como o corpo em si é mais 'humano' e mesmo se a cauda for mais no estilo feral as genitais vai ficar no mesmo lugar que as genitais humanas
Mas claro que depende muito que tipo de genitais voce quer colocar no personagem xDDD em geral nao precisa mudar de posiçao
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é que, na minha percepção, a cauda pouco ou não permite fazer aquela famosa voltinha pra traz, então imaginei q iria ficar (no caso de genitais femininas) virado mais para a frente xD
E obrigado por responder ^^>
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Por causa do corpo mais humano nao teria taanto movimento assim da cauda com a virilha/pelvis
mas penso que se o personagem mexe muito a cauda pode so esticar mais a pele por la uhahuduhauhshuasa
de nada o/
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I'm still new on the whole internet symbols thing, what does the o/ mean
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it's just some random icon I use, for me its like someone waving xD
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Excellent tutorial (or whatever you name it), this will be useful. Thanks for sharing!
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Thank you, glad you liked it! <3
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sim esse tutorila ficou super detalhado, legal e instrutivo! bom trabalho!
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