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Hi peepos!  It’s been a bit since I’ve posted a journal (mostly because I haven’t had any good reason to post one for a while).  However, in light of some recent interactions, I have decided to write a bit of an opinion journal and open a discussion. 


As the title suggests, this journal is about the issues surrounding something I’d like to call “Selective Support”.  Selective support is a rather diverse and widespread issue that affects a vast majority of artists and non-artists both on DeviantArt and other forms of social media.  Also, as a bit of a forward, I would like to state that this journal is a personal opinion piece, and disagreement is completely fine.  If you do disagree, I would ask that you do keep the responses in the journal respectful to both me and other people who decide to comment.

First off, let’s identify what Selective Support means.


What is Selective Support?


Selective Support is what I would consider the act of someone only supporting a small portion of what an artist creates or does, while disregarding the rest, or supporting someone only when it is convenient to do so.  This is a bit vague but we can break this down further:

Ever draw fan art and original content and then notice how in many cases, people are far more drawn to the fan art?  This is one example of Selective Support.

The act of Selective Support isn’t necessarily bad in itself, as it is unreasonable to expect people who are supportive of you or your art to support everything you produce.  However, the real issue with Selective Support occurs when artists or followers of an artist claim to be in complete support of someone but are not, instead only opting to be supportive when the supporter might have something to gain, whether it’s appeasement with fan art, gaining reputation due to association, expectation of free art or gifts, the list goes on.

How is this different from fully supporting an artist?


While there is no issue with deciding to support a particular attribute of an artist or their work more than another, being selectively supportive while claiming to be entirely supportive of an artist can often leave content creators feeling used, or they lose a sense of their works value (sometimes even their own personal value).  However, this varies quite a bit based on the situation and context.

  What are the different types of Selective Support?


The ways of which Selective Support are potentially harmful really depend on the situation and context in which someone decides to be selectively supportive.  (As a heads up, many of the following examples are taken from friends, associates, and acquaintances of mine.  I will forgo using names out of respect for the individuals, but many of these instances are common between a great number of people, and I’m pretty sure many/most of you reading this journal will relate to at least one of these.)  Let’s take a look at some of the most relatable instances of Selective Support and why they can be potentially harmful.


• Selective Support based on Content (the Fan Art conundrum)

 

Arguably the largest issue on artistic social media involves fan art and the fan artist attempting to branch into their own original work.  DeviantArt unfortunately has an environment which is designed to heavily promote artists and art that is desired by popular demand, and the single largest category of DeviantArt is Fan Art.

While Fan Art itself isn’t an issue, it does create a large amount of demand and support based purely on the creation of fan art.  If you’ve ever been in a fandom before, you’ll undoubtedly know that people in that particular fandom go crazy and flock to the artists who regularly produce quality fan art PARTICULARLY because it is fan art that the artist produces.

So what happens when the artist decides to branch into original work every once in a while or entirely?  Support for these original works drops substantially because it isn’t catering to what the established audience is used to, hence Selective Support. 

This is a huge issue with DeviantArt and probably the most single relatable instance of Selective Support and its damage.  Why is it an issue in this case?  When an artist decides to switch to original work, most of the time the original work is designed from the artist’s true interests and passions outside of fan art.  When this art is less-supported due to Selective Support, the artist or content creator feels as if their work has less value or that their fan art has a bloated value.

This instance of Selective Support (I would say) is a large contributor to user deactivation on DeviantArt or artists effectively giving up on producing their own original content entirely.  In many cases (some personally experienced), artists sometimes feel that because their work was only valued because it was fan art that it is impossible for their original work to have any value. 



• Selective support based on Association (Groupie Syndrome)


Another huge issue on artist social media deals with people who are selectively supportive of someone in a mere attempt to gain access to a group of people or an artist purely for association reasons. 

We all know someone who has done this, but Selective Support based on the association an artist might have with someone else is probably the second largest occurring instance of selective association on social media.  I personally know many people which others claim to support only because of their ties to someone else who is perceived as more prominent in the art community.

The largest issue with associative Selective Support is because you are practically using an artist to gain access to another in a false show of support (or supporting an artist not because of their work, but their relations).  If you are doing this, stop it immediately.  If you know someone who is doing this, bring it up with them.  This is manipulation of an artist which badly hurts their self-esteem and perception of value.

 

• Selective Support based on Reciprocation (I want free art/stuff/recognition)

 

We’ve all seen it before, someone who tries to befriend you and support you because they want something in return.  Reciprocation Selective Support is dangerous in the fact that a Selective Supporter is quite literally using an artist to get art, attention, recognition, just about anything (and this can vary from buttering artists up with excessive complements and the infamous ass-kiss to dumping them with tons of fan art in an attempt to get some in return, rather than drawing fan art for the sake of showing admiration or appreciation for the content creator’s work).   First and foremost, it’s painfully obvious when someone pulls this particular stunt, and most of the time, artists see right through the secondary motives of someone who wants reciprocation.  While this type of Selective Support is annoying, (from personal experience) it’s also very demoralizing, as an artist often feels that they’re only desired for their art, and not who they are as a person behind the computer.  This type of Selective Support has long lasting damaging effects which can cause artists to often shut themselves off from a community.

 

• Selective Support based on Convenience (The Pity Party)


This one is a bit more abstract, but selectively supporting someone only when it’s convenient usually arises in situations when an artist is in emotional distress.  Ever see journals that artists sometimes post in which they need help, sad, having life issues, and you see comments from people in the journal who never decide to comment or interact with an artist anywhere else? Bingo.

This act of only being supportive of an artist when it’s easy to do so, while choosing not to support them at any other time, can often lead to an artist thinking their work is uninteresting or undesirable due to lack of interaction from people who only come out of the woodwork in personal journals, tweets indicating distress, etc.  Are you really being supportive of an artist when you decide to tell them that you love their work ONLY when they’re upset, but not at any other time, not even on the work that you claim to value so much?

This is immensely damaging and often leads artists to leave a community entirely, as they feel that no one actually cares about their work or their personal wellbeing.

 

• Selective Support based on Denial

 

Denial is more than just a river in Egypt.  We’ve all known an artist who has done something bad on purpose to someone else, either directly or indirectly.  Turns out there are large numbers of people who will continue to support an artist despite their bad-intentions, trying to ignore or set aside the foul attributes.  Rather than try to ignore the bad things someone has intentionally done (note I say intentionally, because let’s face it, we’ve all accidentally screwed the pooch many times), these actions should be observed and taken into consideration.  If an artist is mean to their followers and disrespectful to other people, is that artist worthy of your support, or do you selectively support them and deny that they have done any wrong doing?

 

This bit of Selective Support is a bit rarer as it’s usually wrapped up in drama surrounding more prominent artists.  If you find yourself in a situation such as this, logically think about the events surrounding it.  Yes, sometimes it hurts to acknowledge that someone you respect or used to respect did something horrible, but once you move on after facing the facts, you’ll be a better person for it.


  Why is being selectively supportive a problem?


The list is pretty long, but to boil it down to its essence, it’s making the distinction between claiming to be supportive of someone when in reality you’re only actually supportive of someone for a fraction of their work, their accomplishments, attention, or some other ulterior motive.  This distinction is important because it’s completely normal to like bits and pieces of someone’s work but not like something else.  However making the claim that you entirely support someone when the reality is that you only support elements of the whole is a misaligned statement.  If you claim to be Supportive (with a big S) of someone, then there’s more to supporting someone than picking and choosing. Sometimes supporting an artist takes time and energy, but it does so much to benefit both you and the artist.

  So what can you do about it?

 

Unfortunately, there isn’t a cure-all for Selective Support.  You can’t suddenly tell everyone to be supportive or acknowledge that they aren’t, but realistically, that shouldn’t be the approach to fixing such a widespread problem that’s incubated in online communities.  Rather than trying to fix the problem on a large scale, there are a few things that you can personally do that might not only help show more support, but also get you more involved and intrigued by people’s work, which will help you and the artist both get much more out of your DeviantArt experiences (and make both of you happier):

• If an artist has an original idea or posts original art, take a peek and see what they have to offer.  There’s no doubt that every artist has come up with something original and exciting.  Countless hours of daydreaming eventually find their way to pixel or paper.  Take a look at their original work, stories, ideas, and see if they interest you, maybe even strike up conversation about their fresh ideas.  You might find something amazing.

 

• If you see something an artist has made and you take interest in it (even a little bit), favorite and leave a comment.  While dA does push numerical statistics for tracking art performance (lol), artists do emotionally respond to both favorites and comments, sometimes as a little “oh someone liked what I made ” emotion.  However a comment is easily worth so much more as it allows you to give personal voice as to why you like their work.  It takes 60 seconds, leave a comment, tell them something you notice about their piece, whether it be critique or positive comment.  You’d be incredibly surprised how far a well-thought-out comment goes to brightening an artist’s day.  You’ll also feel awesome leaving a comment you know they’ll read and smile about, just be genuine with it.

 

• Take some time to learn who an artist is, because sometimes there can be a difference between who an artist is online versus in person (or their behavior to large groups vs 1 on 1 interaction).  Learning who an artist is might give insight to their personal life situations, so you can better understand how to better support someone, whether they are going through a rough patch, dealing with tragedy, family trouble, etc.  It really shows an artist that you care about them as a person and not just as a content creator. 
            On the flip side, you might also learn that an artist is a bit deceiving in their actions, and might make you reconsider supporting them if they turn out to be less-than-admirable.  If you found out that an artist was a raging homophobe or a sexual abuser, would you still support them, or would you take that energy and put that support toward someone else who would benefit far more from it? 

 

• Don’t be afraid to note an artist you support.  Sometimes it can be super intimidating to try and reach out to an artist you really do want to support more or get to know better, but try it.  Artists are people, who fold laundry, play video games, and mow their lawns just like everyone else.  If you are inspired by someone, want to strike up meaningful conversation, note them!  Notes are seen as more personal methods of contact, and most artists read every note they get.  Worst case scenario?  You don’t get a response.  Best case? Maybe you make a new friend!

 

There so many ways to show genuine support for an artist and tons more I haven’t listed.

 

Open Discussion Time


Selective Support is a touchy topic as there are many agreements and disagreements surrounding it.  While I know I have no right to tell you who you choose to support, it’s important to realize that the act of ‘supporting someone’ has many different implied meanings, whether you believe supporting an artist simply means supporting their artwork or whether you believe that supporting an artist really means supporting everything they do.

 

Question Time!
• Do you think that being selectively supportive is bad or good?   Can you see it as justifiable in some situations?  Do you think the distinction between being Supportive (with a big S) vs supportive (with a small s) is worth considering?
• Are there other types of Selective Support which have repercussions not mentioned in this journal?

• How do you show support for artists you admire or watch? What tips would you give to a fellow deviant to help them support an artist and help that artist feel more appreciated in a community?
• What can Artists do to show support for their own supporters?  It’s immensely important for an artist to show appreciation for their watchers.  What can they do to help their own followers feel like they matter more?


 

~Dan

 


(Please be respectful in your responses below)



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Comments: 22

Gequibren [2018-09-03 15:41:42 +0000 UTC]

Agreed ! and writing a reply to the questions:


- I think that being selectively supportive is bad and of course is worth considering the difference.


- Maybe there are, but the important repercussions are mentioned.


- I try to support art, not to support artist. Who they are, what they do or what the say... it's no so important, especially if they are not close to me. Watching, faving and commenting means give support, because that attract people to them. But llamas for example don't help... they are not going to be famous because they have fifty thousand llamas. I only give llamas to "know" what profiles I've seen because there is no option to remember which one I've visited in the past.


- Watching, faving and commenting back. Watching and faving it's problematic, and shouldn't be forced. But commenting as you said, doesn't cost too much. Maybe free drawings for watchers is important too, but I watch people because I like their art, not because I want they draw for me.


Good journal and thanks for your time !

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Wavedrake [2016-09-16 02:23:24 +0000 UTC]

I hate how divisive this is.

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GriffinPhillis [2016-09-15 22:15:14 +0000 UTC]

Oh, yes, I've come to notice this in communities- especially art ones. o^o
I suppose it's mostly a bad thing, in my opinion, although an artist may still feel some level of joy from the praise of creating selectively supported works.
Just gotta keep bein' who you are, I guess, and get what recognition comes from that.
Even if it may take some time to gain a good fan crowd!

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Carinaconstellation [2016-09-04 20:19:32 +0000 UTC]

I just want to say that what you've said really applies to me too. I honestly felt for a very long time under appreciated and my original are being valueless compared to when I was stuck in a fandom. I think to be supportive the watcher should either favourite artworks or even better give a comment now and then on the art saying exactly what they think the art makes them feel or makes them think... basically why do they like it? What makes it different to everyone else's art? Or respond to an artist's journal. Interacting with the artist is always a good thing and it helps.

Being someone who rarely gets many views, favourites, comments and watchers, because I stopped drawing fan art, I know that getting a comment gives me just as much joy to someone favouriting my art or even more. But a comment becomes even more valuable when it comes from a watcher, so someone who's supposed to be supporting you. But that's just my opinion.

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JemiDove [2016-09-04 15:41:24 +0000 UTC]

I may not have a long response to this, but I'm really glad that this topic is being discussed so in-depth. It's a refreshing good read that I can totally relate to (both as artist and follower).

Personally, as a follower, I usually am interested in original stuff and try to encourage artists (who predominantly draw fanart) to keep it up. 

As an artist, I can really relate to being followed only for fanart (I was deep in the Sonic fandom) and then having this feeling of abandonment when I switched my focus to original art in recent years. Also can relate to the other types of Selective Support like the groupie syndrome.

Really good read, a must-share. jemidove.deviantart.com/journa…

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Shaidz [2016-09-02 01:34:56 +0000 UTC]

I definitely agree with all of these points. I have definitely gotten more favorites, comments, and watchers from fan-art a lot more than original art. I don't think I've experienced the other types as much since I'm a rather small artist. This doesn't negate any of what you've said, but I do think something else should also be considered though. Obviously, this is an art site, and people come here to get their art seen, recognized, and appreciated. However, I think we need to remember that we have to find value in our art ourselves before seeking to get affirmation from anyone else. Outside of perhaps transactions like commissions, I think an artist should be able to find value in their own art just because they made it. From my own personal experience, I've found that I'm a lot happier when I can step back and appreciate the art I make. I only get upset and discouraged the minute I start thinking that I have to get the approval of other people before my art is meaningful. I have to remember that I draw because I enjoy it and I'm the only person I have to please. If other people like it too, that's even better.

I realize that fan-art gets more feedback simply because people recognize the content, and I'm okay with that. If someone left a favorite/comment/watch because of that fan-art, that's what they came to see. I did realize you are more referring to people claiming to support "everything" an artist does and only support part of it. On some level, I understand why that would be painful to realize. It's dishonest. To be fair though, time and attention are precious resources, and it's hard to spread one's attention across the hundreds of things that are competing for those resources. I know for a fact that I don't have the time to comment on everything I want to comment on. I typically only favorite things I'd want to see again on my favorites page. Passing by artwork doesn't mean I don't support the artist. I just have other things that have my attention more.

Again, I totally agree with what you're saying, and sometimes I feel like part of the problem. I just think there needs to be both a sense of reality and self-appreciation on the side of the artist as well.

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SpectrumGuardians [2016-09-02 00:45:43 +0000 UTC]

Finally! I have some insight into this topic! I never knew what it was called until now!

But yeah, I agree selective support is harmful, especially since it makes alot of people feel like their art isn't good enough.

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SubliminalPeacock [2016-09-01 23:40:01 +0000 UTC]

Yes, I completely agree and thank you for bringing this up. It is nice to work on fanart, but it does really hurt the artist since they can't put forward original and maybe even unique ideas and makes them feel like they have to sell out in order to get at least some attention brought to them. This is why a lot of artists draw a certain way or a certain thing so they feel their stuff is worth something to look at to others. I do understand the mindset, however. Usually people prefer to see something they personally know about already and somehow connect to it. Sadly, it still hurts most artists and makes us feel negatively towards our own ideas since we get no support. It is complicated to talk about since there are different pros and cons regarding the artist and the audience.

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anty-art [2016-09-01 22:18:21 +0000 UTC]

First, thank you for bringing this topic. I was thinking about things like these for quite long time, but now I was lost in thought nearly everyday since my holidays started and I had some time for drawing. Of course I didn't know how to name it, but you just did it for me, thank you.


So, the "selective support" is the biggest thing that keeps me away from drawing fan-art. I was thinking about drawing fanart for many times, but then came to my mind: "Won't people watch me just because this one picture, which is fan art?" 

Also I would like to add something to "Selective support based on Reciprocation"
I've seen it many times, but here, let's have an example:
So a person is holding free art raffle/giveaway and one of the rules is "You must watch me and share it". I think it's obvious now, that this specific rule will bring a lot of new watchers. But are these watchers watching the person for their art? Probably not. They just want free art, that's all. But this is kind of selective support is basically artist's fault. They wrote the rule, so they should face consequences. It's impossible to think that everyone who wants to join the raffle will say to themselves "I won't watch this person just because of free art, I won't be that kind of selective supporter". People are sheep, you have to be the one who thinks. 



I would like to add another type of selective support (it can be subtype of the ones you've already written and/or combination)
I would call it "Selective support based on past"
I wouldn't lie if I said that this kind of selective support happened to me 

Let me explain:
It's a fact, that my old (crappy) art got more comments than my newest work. My old art have got 10-15 comments on average. My newest artworks have like 2-5 comments (or even zero). 
It's because I drew a lot of sparkle cats/dogs, which were quite popular back then. So people watched me because of that. They enjoyed my artwork and commented. I changed, my art changed and as it seems, not many people likes that kind of art (even when furry/anthro is quite popular, but I don't draw porn and big boobs so there is nothing interesting for audience). I think it's because I never switched accounts. So old watchers who don't like my new art remained. 



I have to admit I'm bad at supporting artists. I'm shy and I don't comment as often as I should, I'm mostly the "silent watcher". But I'm slowly getting out of my shell and I'm trying to support my friends at least, because I know how bad is when you feel like no one cares about your art. 

I've been very depressed about my art lately. I feel like that no one gives a f*** about my art and also me. I often ask myself what I'm doing wrong. I was thinking about moving accounts and even about deactivating my account and stopping posting my art on internet, only showing it to my friends. But there are still few people who do care and who comment/fav everything and coming to my streams I do and they are keeping me still here.




I want to apologize if there are any grammar/stylistic errors but English is not my native language, I should be sleeping now and I didn't ever re-read this comment.

Also about sending notes, is that a challenge ?I can spam you with my shit anytime

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ravenflinch [2016-09-01 21:53:26 +0000 UTC]

This journal certainly addresses some serious issues. Personally, I believe that Selective Support is not a bad thing if one likes only a select few pics posted by a certain artist. In those cases the artist still receives appreciation and knows that despite the fact that those people don't like all his art, they GENUINELY like some of his works, be it fan art or original artwork. In every other case Selective Support is rather unpleasant. I am new on Deviant so I can't say that I have been a victim of harmful Selective Support but I believe that it really might be a problem for artists with lots of followers. In my opinion one should start watching an other Deviant only if they enjoy all of their work. If there is an artist that they admire but like onely some of their art , they should favourite it, comment on it (if they aren't too spooked by the prospect, there are shy people out there), send notes to said artist and find other ways to show their support nd love.
As for the underappreciation of original artwork... It is not nice, seeing how people like only(or mainly) the fan art but sadly it IS to be expected. After all, people like knowing what exactly they are liking and the easiest way to find such things is to search through the fan art. No one can really blame people for that though. You can't help it if you like something. Of course it would be nice if something could be done to improve the situation, but frankly we have all(or atleast a lot of us) done the same thing. I like to think that I am open-minded when it comes to original artwork but in truth I enjoy putting things into specific boxes too much. It's just the way my mind works, I suppose.
In conclusion: watching and supporting someone just because you can gain something from them is really bad and cruel and shouldn't be done, and the lack of appreciation for original artworks is awful but unavoidable (unless someone figures out how to beat the system, which would be great).

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FreakyEd [2016-09-01 21:52:06 +0000 UTC]

This is definitely something I need to talk about with so many people, because of how the subject is all around the internet and even in the outside world. It’s a little annoying how this kind of thing isn’t really talked about in public as much as it really needs to be, even if the reasons for that are understandable (being controversial and all).

 

In order to provide my feedback, I’ll answer the questions to the best of my ability and hope it does justice to what I have to say.

Do you think that being selectively supportive is bad or good?   Can you see it as justifiable in some situations?  Do you think the distinction between being Supportive (with a big S) vs supportive (with a small s) is worth considering?

I think Selective Support can be a double-edged sword for both ends, mostly because it is dependant to the artist and audience’s own benefits, interests, and needs. In a way, you could say it all depends on the context of the situation and community at hand. I believe this is one of the factors that makes this issue very complicated to address in the first place.

 

This is what makes being aware of that distinction very important. It is a tool to provide yourself with important feedback to questions such as:


  •  Where do you stand with these people? Is it healthy for both parties?
  •  Can you both work things out together, as a community?
  •  What needs to be addressed for the problems you might have with the support given to you? What can be done to reinforce the positive ones?

This is pretty much why I keep insisting that, above anything else, communication is key. If there’s no communication between the two parties involved, sometimes not only will it slip from Full Support to a selective one, but it might even develop in a very detrimental way for one or the both of them!

 

Are there other types of Selective Support which have repercussions not mentioned in this journal?

Medium-based Selective Support, in light of (especially) when it comes to non-visual mediums (such as literature) and mediums that are considered “outdated”. This technically falls under Content-related Selective Support, but I feel like this goes a little beyond that.

 

This kind of Selective Support would happen when the artist in question shifts from one medium to the other, the common example being a shift from 2D to 3D artwork or vice-versa. A similar scenario would happen if the artist explores many mediums at once, but only one of those is favored more than the other, typical example being how an artist’s own animations are favored over some stills or other works such as paintings, doodles or yes, stories and poems.

 

I will admit that I am guilty of this practice myself, something I am trying to work with as time goes by since the feeling has been ingrained by destructive support in the past (Hence the “context” comment on the first question), but that’s a story for another day.

  

How do you show support for artists you admire or watch? What tips would you give to a fellow deviant to help them support an artist and help that artist feel more appreciated in a community?

I usually try to provide support in various ways, to which I tend to default in either showing some fan art for them or listen to what they have to say, donating or commissioning them (when possible!) to further provide them all they need to progress with their own expressions and desires while respecting my own as well. For those whom I am particularly closer with, I tend to discuss about our own characters or stories as well.

 

That said, there’s many ways to provide the love and caring you feel, even towards that one artist you admire so much yet feel awfully intimidated to. I really admire the fact you acknowledged the fact that artists are people because unfortunately, people seem to forget that nowadays. 

What can Artists do to show support for their own supporters?  It’s immensely important for an artist to show appreciation for their watchers.  What can they do to help their own followers feel like they matter more?

The typical answer to this question will usually say; you should make fanart for them. It’s not that easy. You can provide so much more than just your own artistic abilities. You can express support by giving them your thoughts and feedback about their efforts, as well as letting them know how you like or interpret their works in an honest, respectful manner. I believe honesty is an important virtue that is sadly either underused or abused these days, so while being honest, don’t forget that your words can heal as much as they can hurt people.

 

I believe one of the most important points about this journal post is that, if you feel like you have done this kind of thing before in a negative matter, but you want to improve your stance with it, that’s okay! We make mistakes, and sometimes we don’t even know until the truth is pointed at our faces. You’re not a bad person if you realize it and begin to work on that change! Remember that many of us got to know each other because of things such as fan-art and/or because the work is pretty, and even for ulterior motives that are no longer relevant today. The problem begins when the harmful (short or long term) factors are the only thing that matters to you.

 

Over the years I have met artists that, because of the negative side of the Selective Support tropes, are now struggling to even just post something without undergoing stress or even anxiety. Some of these people used to be well known (Or “popular”, I guess), while some others were completely under the shadows since Day One, which goes to show how everyone can be affected by this. Had I not intervened with certain people and giving them what little support I could give them even at a bad time, they wouldn’t keep doing what they loved doing (or worse).

 

At the end of the day, we artists care about what people have to offer and say about our work, fan-art, original or otherwise. We put our sweat, blood and tears to make all of this happen. We create characters to bring our concepts and ideas to life, to inspire, teach and entertain. We build worlds to escape to where anything can be cool, interesting, funny, or is simply a better world in general. At the end of the day, no matter what everyone tells you, art as a general concept is what helps shape the world around us, ranging from our morals and beliefs to even the most complicated of technological advancements. It’s what makes the world what it is.

 

This is why support is so important to us, and why it’s also important to the artist that you look after, or is your friend. After all, we all could use our own heroes to keep moving forward.

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BRpanha [2016-09-01 21:08:59 +0000 UTC]

As an artist.. yeah I sometimes feel fanart are more valuable.. original stuff never get much attention as fanart.. it demotivated.. really.. but as far as I see.. mostly the hardcore fan would fav anything i made.. really appreciated them
A fav and a comment... seriously always make my day so much brighter.. I meant like u mentioned 60s can brighten someone u admire.. it isn't much but yeah it helped the artists..
Ughh finally i can say something bout this.. lessen the weight in my chest a bit.. thanks for making this discussion hope those people who selectively supporting in any kind would understand..

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VerdantDargon [2016-09-01 18:04:23 +0000 UTC]

It's pretty disheartening to see a drop in how much support you get, especially if you have a very small following to begin with.

Problem is, while most will agree its an issue, it's not easily solved. People will probably always act this way :/ 

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MancyCrush [2016-09-01 17:49:10 +0000 UTC]

I do have to agree with a majority and on the case of noting an artist, im very awkward when talking to someone that inspires me as i dont want to come off as creepy or as one of your points, looking to get something out of it. I dont know it's just really hard to talk to artists i look up to for those reasons.

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MelodyRaver [2016-09-01 16:39:00 +0000 UTC]

I seriously agree with a lot of things in this journal, I can only imagine how much it drives an artist up a wall when selective support happens to them, and I feel like I've been victim to at least one case in this journal at one point or another, because it happens unfortunately, y'know?

I think selective support does more harm than good in the long haul of things, and can really damage people if it's in the case of support when it's only convenient or they only want something out of you. I feel like it would make it difficult for them to feel like they can try to make any sort of friend, and watching your back has to be unpleasant, when all you wanna do is be able to trust someone. I think the distinction is really important to notice between the types of support, as an artist, and as someone who's supporting an artist. How much are you actually supporting them, or being supported? Is this person worth keeping around you if they're not as supportive as you once thought?

I show support to artists by dropping a favorite when i like something, and try hard to come up with a meaningful comment for them. (Which sometimes can get difficult, when you have 1600+ deviations in your inbox at anytime) I also try to stop by to say hello, or visit a stream to chat and have a good time, streams are a really good way to meet an artist and get to know them in some cases, from my personal experiences. It's also good to make sure you swing a comment on not just the bad things going on, but also the good things that happen to them, support on both sides is really good and can really make people feel good c:

As an artist trying to support your supporters, doing streams and chatting with them, making them feel involved with polls or idea suggestions, maybe even art trades or requests every now and then, to show a thanks of some sort (which doesn't always attract the right people, but sometimes it works!) I think open discussions and other sorts of things where a follower can get involved and feel like they matter is good to show you really care and are interested to see what they think.

...this may be one of my longest comments made on deviantart....oops

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DzMind [2016-09-01 15:30:37 +0000 UTC]

I agree with the name choice for this problem.
However, I think selective support is OKAY only when it happens because people like specific parts of their content, which could include original or fan-made content. But people really should be more supportive for artists.
Sometimes, I'll create of an artists' original content & try to write something interesting in its description. I'd advise others to not only comment on an artist's content & watch them, but to also try creating some fan-content so that the artist knows that at least someone really likes their work.
Artists should definitely reply to any comments they receive regarding their art. As for something showing their appreciation towards their supporters, the artist can try thinking of something in their own special way to show it.

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TheCrescentFox [2016-09-01 13:22:06 +0000 UTC]

Glad I was able to wake up to see this.  It's very well written.  Good timing as well as I was having a similar discussion with a friend about this last night.

I've often said in the last couple years that if you aren't already at the top of the food chain here on DA and similar sites, then you are going to struggle to develop a decent fanbase of your own.  As already said, the front page of this site is a prime example of the issue here.  Sure, DA has taken steps to get lesser-known artists recognized, but one does have to wonder how often those features are really used.  Sure, we have groups and stuff, but that is only exacerbating the problem really.  It's not an impossible task to become known here, but it is a constant struggle to do so.

You hit the nail on the head with the fan art argument.  It can be very disheartening to see a quick little doodle for a fandom get far more recognition than something original that you can spend hours on.  But alas, that is how this place has been for a good, long while.

I frequently have to deal with this on a constant basis as writers are seldom featured here.  Again, it all seems to be frequently the same stuff that ends up on the front page every day.  I can accept it though.  What supporters I do have I hold very close and thank them every day.  I wouldn't be where I am now without them and the friends that I have been so grateful to meet over the last decade.  I don't get much support (including only getting supported at certain times in my life), but I won't let that stop me from supporting other artists.  From helping them while they feel down, to brainstorming, to just general chat, I work to establish the strong bonds that I have made over time.  Just as something simple as a quick comment really is all that's needed to make someone's day.  We all want to make sure we are not just wasting our time with our craft, no?  Just that little bit of reassurance goes a long way.  I want to see those I support succeed, often even moreso than myself.  To me, that is what being a good Supporter is all about.

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WhiteLilyDragon [2016-09-01 10:18:47 +0000 UTC]

As far as liking fan art vs original content goes, many times I like an artist's original artworks and comics as much as their fan art. It's very refreshing to see something new and inspiring being created! I find so many amazing new things on the Internet worth my time that might not exist if the Internet itself didn't.

In some isolated cases, though, I organically don't have any interest in some artists' original works. (You can't force yourself to like something if it doesn't resonate with you.) Sometimes I feel bad about it, but that's how it is.

Otherwise, nine times out of ten, I appreciate and enjoy original works that give me more things to be a fan of.

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KB-concepts [2016-09-01 07:07:13 +0000 UTC]

I should try harder to write better feedback regarding artist's work as I feel I could do better in that department and also to give support back to my watchers (don't really have that many anymore but that's my own fault and I need to work on that) by just talking to them more but this journal is very informative and thank you for writing it

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Korwynze [2016-09-01 06:51:51 +0000 UTC]

The denial support one reminds me of a very great realistic artist who got me on skype and went really creepy, talking gross things. And when i told on deviantart, only MY supporters cared? HIS supporters said he did nothing wrong and that i lied. And this famous artist lured me in with (almost) free art
im naive and like free stuff okay ;-;

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Dingo-Sniper [2016-09-01 06:36:12 +0000 UTC]

Oh boy this is a topic i love to vocally discuss because of how true it is. I've seen selective support happen right in front of me and it is by far a loooooooooot worse than people make it out to be. There's alot of artist i follow and regularly talk to who have very small fanbases because of the way this works. It's extremely rampart on this site given that the front page is such a damn good example of it. 99% of the time it will always be the same front page artists because of how people chose to support only those few artists. 

Group SS is by far just the worst i can think of out of all the ones you've listed, i've seen this first hand and its fucking nasty. Here's an example i can think of,Back in 2015 there was a situation on reddit between specific content creators where they were deliberately voting up their own work while down voting / destroying the reputation of others for their own benefit. That sure as fuck happens on this site no questions asked given how hard it is now days to actually build an audience amongst everyone who uses this site. I mean i've been here 5 years and yet because of the way this sites algorithm works with people promoting their content, there's groups of people who deliberately discard specific content based on the fact it may be apart of some fandom or area of art they dont like. 

This happens at my uni too, we have the largest studio class at our uni (Studio classes are usually only 3-5 people, this year it was 30+) and there is so much selective support in it that you kind of just want to punch someone. On top of the usual shit, it just makes creatively supporting people harder because they're showing how far they will go to be the top dog, aka stupidly far.

Honestly DA just has too many group problems for the site to function correctly, being a content creator on this site can be incredibly back breaking for some people as due to the way people and communication here works other artists can be trashed by word of mouth of others which is really disheartening for those who seek to gain an audience. Most of the artists i support or i've befriended and trust have been simply through actively supporting them and their work while also supporting others. It's really not that fucking hard to leave creative feedback or leave a favourite on their work, there are people who put hours into their work and it amounts to just absolutely nothing because of how SS works.

There needs to be better systems put in place for dealing with this and people need to open the fuck up, i'm so tired of groups having so much sway with who gets seen and who doesn't on this site and selective support actually really fucking makes it worse. 

 also speaking from personal experience here so its a fucking bonus for me reliving all this shit

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Eulogium [2016-09-01 06:35:26 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for taking the time to write this, it means well to the community and I hope that in time selective support minimizes overall. It's pressuring in means of creativity, because feedback is a really good feeling when posting something you worked hard on. If there is no feedback on it, it's easier to assume that a specific art-type has to be produced in order to gain a crowd's favor. It's a little unfair in some ways, but I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing this.

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