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This is Maxima's pistol, a custom job designed to have ridiculous stopping power, and is impractical as anyone without super strength couldn't use it without dislocating and/or breaking their wrist/elbow/shoulder/forehead.PS I don't know a lot about guns but hopefully the design is within striking distance of being realistic.
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Couple of things.
1. The design is good. Similar to a Thompson Contender.
2. There was a custom made .600 NE Thompson Contender made. It was not designed to be shot, but an idiot insisted. The result is comical only because of the clueless confidence of the idiot. The results are also predictable. www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZL797…
3. The .577 exists, and is possible to shoot. Mind you, in a rifle. www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrImp-…
4. Recoil management is key. Most don't know how to use body mechanics to manage recoil. Numerous times, I've seen people leaning backwards while trying to shoot a handgun, limp wrist it, and complain about recoil.
Could a "normal" person shoot a .577 pistol? Probably not. Could a "professional" shooter? Probably. Would "I" want to try it? No. At that level, if you're not perfect in your execution, you're going to fail, and it's going to hurt.
I like how you made it single shot, as excessive recoil does strange things to rounds in a magazine, worse to rounds in tube.
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this looks like it could be fun to design and build in my one program. would you mind if it did?
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That'd be great. I tried to commission a guy on DA who was really good at drawing guns but he didn't have time. I think he probably got a job at a video game studio or something.
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i am working on designing it a little in my spare time but i am doing so very slowly. if i get it mostly done at some point i will send you some pictures.
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In the words of Walter Dorneas from Hellsing, 'too much gun for any HUMAN to handle'. Anybody besides Maxima (and possibly Achilles) who MANAGED to pull the trigger, would get their arm blown out of their socket, by the recoil.
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May have missed it if someone mentioned it, but DU is also pyrophoric. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrophor…
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DON'T KNOW IF THE LINK ACTUALLY WORKS, I CAN SAY ALL COMPONENTS ARE REAL SO THE OUTCOME SHOULD BE EASY TO SEEM REALISTIC.
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ABOUT THE AMMO IT WOULD BE USING, SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPE OF THEM SHOULD BE AVAILABLE (H.E.A.T., FRAG, INCENDIARY, YOU NAME IT)
I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF MAXIMA USING A WEAPON WHEN SHE IS MOST PROBABLY MORE POWERFUL THAN ANY GUN SHE WOULD HAVE IN HER HANDS (EVEN DABBLER'S RAILGUN), THE REASON MUST BE EQUALLY POWERFUL.
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Quick read through the comments ... I am surprised that there isn't a comment about the speed of the round. (Unless I miss it.)
The round will be doing mach 2.205 leaving the barrow. Super Sonic.
What ever (or Who ever) is shot with one of these rounds will not hear the bang (or BOOM) from the gun till after the bullet has pass through, splattered what ever (or Who ever) and goes it merry way to the next what ever (or Who ever).
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It seems like a cool prop for scenes where Maxima puts a gun to someone's head, but I would think that it would be more effective to rely on her energy blasts most of the time (or fly up and punch someone).
If there were some reason that she wouldn't want to use energy blasts such as an energy-blast-resistant enemy, conmserving energy to use for other abilities, or using special exotic bullets for a specific foe (kryptonite bullets, anyone?), then the gun makes sense. It could also be a piece with sentimental hold-over from a time when she couldn't rely on accurate effective energy blasts (either due to energy requirements or lack of control risking collateral damage), thus requiring a safe ranged attack alternative in military situations.
The recoil stats seem a little ridiculous (maybe an intentional lack of all recoil compensation mechanisms?), but hobbyists have made "pistols" that can fire bullets meant to be used on armored vehicles (I'm sure in a world with real super-humans there would be a lot of gun nuts that keep an anti-tank side-arms "just in case"). A normal person can fire such weapons, but need to use two hands to prevent injury. This would be an ideal weapon for a super-strong individual who needed a weapon to fight medium-powered supers, such as Achilles, who lacks innate offense powers but possesses all the strength and durability to wield a hand-cannon with ease.
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uhh. Wouldn't the counterweight, if it was on a hinge, swing into the laser sight?
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The hinge has a limited swing. It is shown fully open.
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No, look at the bottom counterweight, it has it's own hinge.
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That's probably not a hinge. My guess is that the counterweight slides onto a rail, so that its weight can be easily tuned, and is held in place by a very substantial pin so that there's no chance of the outrageous recoil knocking it loose.
Look at some real guns, many, MANY parts are held to the frame with pins.
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True, I guess the rounded area around the counterweight threw me off.
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they make a larger handgun that normal people can and do shoot.
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Based on these pics & the tip of the barrel above, the gun above is AT LEAST an 80 cal (.80)
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actually, thats not bad. She would definitely have to amp up her super strength and maybe body mass to handle it. Thats like having a short burst retro rocket in your hand.
One minor quibble, Is it single shot, or an over/under design [like an over under shotgun]? If its a single bore, why not move the bore low [think Chiappa Rhino, Vash the Stampede's gun, or the Mateba] to help mitigate muzzle flip. Even with super strength, you have to obey the laws of physics [most of the time]. It would also reduce strain on the firearm.
Yah, I'm a gun nut...and if I had a shop, I'd be building one of these [with a stock and a legal length barrel] just to prove it could be done.
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blerp, as a side note, the front sight post could be a little higher, unless the rear sight is deeper than it looks. SUPER GUN NERD, AWAY! -cartwheels into the sunset-
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Hm. as a gun enthusiast, and a fan, i can honestly say, this looks great! I will admit, i can't rly see how the safety works, but a pull down trigger guard for a break action is a FANTASTIC idea! and seeing as this is a supper's weapon, and judging by the size of it in #53 relative to Maxima's hand, there could be 2 different loading options for this kind of gun in real life. Number one, a single round break action, IE, shoot, action, eject shell, reload. OR, as this gun is meant to be handled by a supper, shells could be loaded in the back (by the words "break pekease") like they would the under side of a semi auto shotgun, maybe up to 3 of the 3.7 inch rounds in a loading tube below the barrel, and a final fourth round in the chamber, with a big old right side ejection port, but it would have to slide down, instead of back to compensate for the compactness of the gun, and the massive 2.99 inch shells it would be expelling. Ether way, semi auto or break action, this is one of THE sexiest guns i have ever seen, and i would hate to be on the wrong end of it. So, thanks for putting up with my gun geekieness, live long and prosper, love and tolerate, may the force be with you, and i can WAIT to see some more of your deadly creations! ^3^
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Thanks. I'd love to try and build it in Blender or 3DSMax or something.
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*tilts head and drools slightly* oh, god, yes. Like, you have no idea how sexy that would be! like, gun porn to the max!
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Aw hell yeah. Jayne Cobb and I are eagerly waiting.
In our bunks.
Hey, I'm just bein' honest, that's where I am!
Jayne, on the other hand, saw this and left the room breathing heavily.
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Actually, the wristbreaking part is perfectly practical. Not only does Maxima have no problem wielding it, but anyone who somehow gets lucky enough to disarm her won't be able to use it effectively.
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First thing another person would have to get past would be the insane trigger pull.
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Looks good to me, but I'm not a gun expert either. I have seen some specialty ammunition in books and on the history channel though. Would Rex here be able to use some of that designed for it? Examples might be Flechette or Incendiary ammo such as is used in shotguns sometimes, believe it or not there is a shotgun round that spits fire. That one is incredibly illegal though, military ammo. Another example might be a "sabot" round like a tank cannon sometimes fires. It had a center spike of incredibly dense metal, depleted uranium usually, backed by a heavy weight and covered with a soft casing that peels away easily, usually used as a tank killer. And even handguns can have explosive ammunition.
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originally thought she used a nitro express cartridge when i saw it in the comic
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This looks like a "comic-fied" version of a Thompson-Contender my Uncle used to have (he let me shoot it sometimes with the .30-06 barrel, even!) The break lever was actually the trigger guard. It had a spur that you pulled on with your shooting hand to release the barrel. With the 14-inch barrel and the magna-ports spewing flame 10 feet into the evening sky, it's one of my favorite childhood memories. I was 14.
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I'm surprised this hasn't come up yet, but if you want to use a real word weapon for 'realistic' reference check out the M79 grenade launcher. It's a break top as well. I noticed somewhere back the safety was brought up and whether or not it would have one, an M79 uses a similar safety to a shotgun, a switch mounted behind the break that can be pulled forward or back.
Another option is the M1 Garand style safety- a toggle switch mounted in the trigger guard that's pushed forward to take it off safe and pulled back toward the trigger to safe it.
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Shoot, the trigger pull weight is practically a safety in its own right.
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I really like the "Raging Bull" style grip on it, very classy touch.
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It's a muy macho piece of ordnance, I must say. Made from unobtanium? What was the stuff they made Captain America's shield from? If there was any left, it would be cool if Max had her pistola made from it. I'm pretty sure the counterweight would act as a stabilizer, assuming the weight is tuned to the piece. I'm not too worried about the size of the pivot, since I'm assuming it's not the only thing holding the barrel onto the frame. (Isn't that a locking lug/break release that I see under the exposed breach?) The laser sight could be used to designate targets for allied guided munitions, and/or to feed location data to headquarters. Lots of options, there. Lots of possibilities in the choice of cartridge, too. At that size, one could make some very interesting custom rounds. A paintball type round might come in handy, for non-lethal use. No need for a scope, not for Max. The only thing I don't see noted is an ejector, a simple lever that kicks the rim of the cartridge out of battery enough for the shooter to pull it out with his or her fingers. There are many kinds of ejectors, and some wouldn't be visible from the drawings. Must be one of those, even though it don't say so anywhere. In the absence of information otherwise, like a scene with Max shaking her head over yet another design flaw discovered in the field (she can handle testing, I'm sure Arianna would say, afterwards), I'd really like to assume everything works as advertised. It's so awesome, I think even Hellboy would like it.
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Yeah I probably need to tweak the design a little. I'm not much of a gun nut, so I had to do a fair amount of research just to get this version. We'll call it Rev 01.
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I'm saying you won't need to tweak it much, if at all. The functional questions can be resolved without changing the cosmetics. For example, you don't need a switch for the laser, if anyone asks. Forty(!) pounds of pressure on the trigger would do the trick. Stuff like that can be explained. It just looks really, really good the way it is. Good job.
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*Want* Hell, .60 cal handgun? Sweet collectors item if nothing else. And zombie club.
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rex machina = "king machine" if i am not mistaken
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I think I know what bullets it should fire...
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Egad, I love this! It's perfect for Maxima, given how strong she is. It would be great if you could work up some construction specs. I imagine the frame would need to be made of titanium or a cobalt/nickel-based superalloy, just to withstand the pressure.
Hmm ... titanium. The superalloy would be highly magnetic, unless you added enough chromium to make the resulting alloy nearly austenitic. ...
Hmm..... That would help with corrosion, though.
Hmm..... But the titanium version would need to have the barrel plated with TiCN for the same reason.
Hmm..... I might have to work on that.
(That also begs the question of why Max would need a pistol at all, since she can get to the target about the same time her bullet would.)
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Intimidation factor. Gun is more intimidating at range than a pointed finger. Even when the person the finger is pointing at, knows very well the power behind that finger.
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Unlike most fictional firearms found on dA this gun looks like it could actually fire. There are definitely things I would do differently (skeletonize almost everything not part of the barrel, move the laser closer to the barrel for less parallax error, move the handle higher to reduce the moment of inertia of the recoil for steadier aim) , but they would change the look a bit. I do think one detail something like this would have: a spring lever or latch that keeps the gun from falling closed again while your trying to reload.
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Shoot with Max's speed even if the barrel were to fall closed, she could have a round chambered before it started the close swing.
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Cool gun. Couple concerns about the design, just as a gun nut here.
First is accuracy. See, the stability of a round in flight is dictated by the rate at which it's spinning, thanks to the barrel's rifling. Logic would dictate that the sharper the twist in the barrel, the more it would spin, right? That would help compensate for the relatively short barrel. And for low pressure or small caliber rounds, that works okay. With a behemoth like this, the amount of cordite converting into expanding gasses creates a ludicrous maximum internal pressure. If that barrel were rifled at a rate of twist equivalent to, I dunno, maybe a Colt .45 ACP, you'd end up with severe metal fatigue, a reduction in muzzle velocity, poor accuracy, damage to your rifling, and maybe even a split or burst barrel after prolonged use.
So, in order to keep the gun from darn near exploding in your hand, your rate of twist is so low that it's practically a smoothbore. Even if Maxima is an incredible shot, I could probably put her to shame on the target range if she's using that piece.
The amount of stress placed on the pivot point has already been explained elsewhere, so I won't go into that. What I will go into is that because the pivot point is so far forward Maxima won't be able to crack it open and snap it closed with a simple one-handed flick of the wrist. Might want to make the break release spring loaded for easy opening and extraction of the spent round.
Finally, there's the implications of being struck with a heavy round moving at such high velocity. Hydrostatic or hydraulic shock is a phenomenon whose existence is often debated, though if you've scene someone hit by a large caliber round you know it's a real thing. It's a bit like throwing a stone in a pond. The impact ripples outward, and the rebound pulls the water back to the point of the stone's entry. Same thing happens with a living body. A round goes in, even just hitting an extremity, and the kinetic energy of it ripples through the body, including to the brain. Hit someone hard enough and they can die of hemorrhaging in the brain before they get a chance to bleed to death, what with blood actually be shunted toward the entry wound. Bottom line is that with something like this there is no such thing as shooting to wound.
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I'd love to sit down with a gun engineer and a copy of autocad... uh, or whatever you design guns in, and come up with a "realistic" version of this, but I'd never be able to design something completely satisfactory. I'm sure even with the most highly regarded real world firearms there are enthusiasts that can pick them apart.
That being said, if we assume this this pistol is some crazy $30K titanium carbide (if that's even real... it sounds strong anyway) and it's not going to blow apart after you put a few dozen rounds down the barrel) this thing is still really just for intimidation. Max is an ok shot but not exceptional by any means, it's really meant for use at a range that people can see her loading a round the size of a roll of quarters into it, so probably under 100 feet.
And yes obviously this would kill a human if you shot them almost anywhere with it, but she's usually shooting at people that are bulletproof to begin with.
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heh, I might just have to sit down on my lunch break and start designing that for you...I am a computer aided drafter and gun nut...might even be able to make a usable scaled down model [say in .500 S&W so us normal humans could use it]. ARG...too many projects...I either need to work faster or sleep less.
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Love the comic, and I'm more shooting the breeze than trying to nitpick, so please don't think I'm trying to cause trouble. It's a good gun design, and you've not shown enough of the interior workings of the gun that you can't include a few gadgets to deal with the ergonomics of use. Plus, though I'm not normally an anime fan, if you watch the first few episodes of the series Pumpkin Scissors you'll see plenty of good use and accessories for a single-shot breech-loader like that.
Just wanted to say that a new alloy for the barrel is a good way of getting around the weaknesses of steel. But you might not want to include anything related to titanium. It expands in an un-uniform shape when it heats up, which is why they can't use it for gun barrels now. I've got a few pieces with titanium trigger assemblies and the like, but a barrel has to be made of a metal that doesn't react to temperature change. Invar, a nickel-iron alloy that used to be used in old-fashioned pocket-watches, would be a good base if you could find some way to include a harder metal like tungsten. Just a thought. Cheers, buddy.
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To pull that trigger I'm pretty sure I'd have to thread a rope through the trigger guard and pull it with my arms while bracing the grip with my feet. It'd be like the pogo stick from hell. Wait, that's now got to be the name of my metal band.
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Saw this and all I could think of was Hellsing.
Mmmmmmm... Alucards sexy voice...
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