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The biggest drawback for me working in a digital format is how the precise gridsystem strongly suggest me to work with perfect straight vertical and horizontal lines. Now and the I try to break out of this grid cage. For some days now I have been trying to work in a more painterly style. Not much much brush strokes in thin one though; just mucking around (if one can say that) in Photoshop. Sort of abstract but not all together. Get any ideas? Inspired by: [link]Digital paint/collage by edvard derkert
One story goes like this: Rene Decartes, when living in Sweden observed a fly walking around on a window ad wondered how the flies walk on the glass could be described in mathematical terms. He came up with the cordinate system with an y an an x -axis for the vertical and horizontal lines. [link] He then died of a cold he got from a severe Swedish winter. And so it goes. And that was maybe the first grid-system.
And of course that system was binar, digita, either/or and was of course used for visual represenation in the computer. These straight lines and right angles are not to be found in nature (I think) and when you draw or paint it is really hard to produce them just by hand. Even when you cut up a piece of paper as an rectangle with aid of a ruler the result is never perfect. So these straight lines and right angles are not the prerogative. In a pixelbased or systems it is. It can be be very convenient when aligning objects and text. Looks good and tidy. Graphic design was not all that straight in the old days.
I work mostly in photoshop. And of course you dont have to use the ruler, the guidelines or the automatic
guidelines. But the fact remains that the right angels rules.The workspace are always rectangular and your are constant reminded of them by the edges of the workspace.
More so is the first and most used marquee tool rectangular, and being a collage guy I cut and paste a loot and usually with the rectangular marquee tool. It is fast and convenient. Maybe I would feel different about if I only painted in Photoshop. I know my pre.-digital stuff was free from "the right angle syndrome", freer, more organic. So I have to deliberately make organic forms, they dont come by themselves as rectangular does.
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Comments: 69
iram [2011-02-28 09:58:54 +0000 UTC]
I enjoyed reading your commentary under your work - it's always interesting to hear an artist speaks about his work... (I seldom do it, cause finding the right words in english takes too much energy out of me, yet )
anyways - I also found myself dealing with horizontal and vertical lines in my work, but I used to confront this subject in wide formats only...
it is true - the right angels rules - but I believe it is not true only to rectangulars, but to any format, and it is because we're right handed oriented... the right angle is always more "heavy"... I'm not sure there is any difference (according this issue) between organic or not organic shapes...
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derkert In reply to iram [2011-02-28 17:43:15 +0000 UTC]
It started with the rectangular window. It framed our view.
Then came the renaissance (with their window metaphor), then camera obscura, then came the chemical
camera, then came the computer. We just cant help it. We see things that way. We are born square!
But our vision is very different. I dont see it as a big problem – for a photographer the rectangle is only natural and also necessary. No frame no camera.
It is just one way to escape the grid, the square. Start sculpting!
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iram In reply to derkert [2011-03-01 08:08:56 +0000 UTC]
.... the same as vertical lines connected in our perception with alertness, confidence and power (because of standing still and upright, towers, trees)
and horizontal lines connected in our perception with rest and quiet (lying, sunset, sleeping and stopping any action)
and diagonal or twisted lines connected in our perception with action, energy and dynamics -
I believe the perception of weight and balance also derives from our body and the way we percept the world (gravitation and right handed)...
your theory about the shape of our windows is interesting and even makes sense, but somehow, I believe these things must be much more primary and inherent in the way we are programmed...
lets take architecture as an example - there is no frame or grid there
and yet - same rules of weight and balance are taking place, like in the plastic arts or photography!
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derkert In reply to iram [2011-03-01 14:24:00 +0000 UTC]
Hey Il I do agree. Like up (good) down (bad), it goes for all so societies but left and right is bit more complicated. Left is bad (sinistra in Italien) and right is good. All right, you are right, left handed ways etc. I might have some conections to our wiring, I have read about it somewhere. Interesting stuff!
When it comes balance we of course want heavy and big things on ground.
Here is an old talmud saying: We dont see the world as it, but as we are.
I think you will agree! Or as Mr McLuhan says; the media is the message!
edvard
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iram In reply to derkert [2011-03-02 09:50:25 +0000 UTC]
(smile) yes ( We dont see the world as it is, but as we are)
it's really annoying to confront other people's "truths" when yours are different and you sure you're right!
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derkert In reply to iram [2011-03-02 10:22:41 +0000 UTC]
I am sure you are right! (smile)
More semi organic abstracts coming!
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thesilentstill [2010-12-22 17:04:23 +0000 UTC]
what a great break away from convention. I love the thought process as much as the work itself! Our band is holding an artwork contest that ends this sat (xmas) and we would be stoked if you posted this or something similar! (link to our website in my sig)
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derkert In reply to thesilentstill [2010-12-22 18:05:48 +0000 UTC]
Sorry - found the page but no real emailadress. How do tu want to present my artwork?
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derkert In reply to thesilentstill [2010-12-22 18:00:13 +0000 UTC]
Thanks!
yes sure – send me your email please.
edvard
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thesilentstill In reply to derkert [2010-12-22 21:39:21 +0000 UTC]
send it to email@thesilentstill.com!
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derkert In reply to thesilentstill [2010-12-22 22:09:21 +0000 UTC]
how will you present my work? Do you want it big or small?
edvard
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thesilentstill In reply to derkert [2010-12-23 03:02:20 +0000 UTC]
640×1100 if you can, so I can post to the blog.
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derkert In reply to thesilentstill [2010-12-23 08:38:09 +0000 UTC]
Sent it is. Have a good x-mas!
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thesilentstill In reply to derkert [2010-12-24 05:45:42 +0000 UTC]
thanks! will post in just a bit...you have a good xmas as well. Any exciting plans?
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thesilentstill In reply to derkert [2010-12-27 07:16:33 +0000 UTC]
what type of artfair? Indoors or out? Where do you live...only need 17 more ??s to make this a full game of 20 questions!
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derkert In reply to thesilentstill [2010-12-27 09:55:14 +0000 UTC]
indoors, Stockholm. It is called supermarket.[link]
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thesilentstill In reply to derkert [2010-12-27 23:48:13 +0000 UTC]
look cool is it mostly contemporary?
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thesilentstill In reply to derkert [2010-12-28 22:24:19 +0000 UTC]
would you say that's your favorite style?
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thesilentstill In reply to derkert [2010-12-30 05:01:02 +0000 UTC]
sorry SORRY...didn't mean to make an art blunder! How would you describe it then
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derkert In reply to thesilentstill [2011-01-02 11:20:54 +0000 UTC]
Art that is successful and popular among curators and critics. The art should also be done by artist born not later than 1890 or something. Stupid term!
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thesilentstill In reply to derkert [2011-01-09 20:15:17 +0000 UTC]
Yes, I'd have to say it's a bit misleading...at least to me! Thanks for clarifying!
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VioletMagenta [2010-12-09 14:10:52 +0000 UTC]
This is very powerful to me. And also very frightening!
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derkert In reply to VioletMagenta [2010-12-10 07:56:13 +0000 UTC]
Thanks! I knosw what you mean!
edvard
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djailledie [2010-12-09 05:41:58 +0000 UTC]
So not Cartesian country that you killed our Descartes?
Actually, with the increase of the number of pixels, you can at one point consider that vertical and horizontal become less dominant, but I agree with you that it is forcing us into a matrix.
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derkert In reply to djailledie [2010-12-10 07:55:47 +0000 UTC]
It was not my fault that he died. It is supposed to bee queen Victoria who started her day very early
in cold rooms and wanted Decartes there to talk philosophy.
We are all stuck into some matrix or another! Free we can only strive to be!
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djailledie In reply to derkert [2010-12-15 05:34:46 +0000 UTC]
Can't we simply pretend that we are free?
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derkert In reply to djailledie [2010-12-15 08:46:29 +0000 UTC]
freedom: ah a very nice concept!
Yes: from now!
I am free. i am free i am free
I am free. i am free i am free
I am free. i am free i am free
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LauraTringaliHolmes [2010-12-07 02:16:22 +0000 UTC]
I enjoyed reading your commentary. And I enjoy looking at this piece. The suggestion of ice breaking expresses the thoughts you shared in the comments very well, I think. (But i would have enjoyed the composition without the words--it's strong and lively.)
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derkert In reply to LauraTringaliHolmes [2010-12-07 08:41:49 +0000 UTC]
Thanks Mrs Lace. Ice it is, and a hole, an then something else too....
I enjoyed you comment very much
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tarpeia [2010-12-06 11:00:33 +0000 UTC]
the çolor scale is a little unusual for mr. derkert. (as far as i noticed.)
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derkert In reply to tarpeia [2010-12-06 11:36:45 +0000 UTC]
Not much colours at all I am afraid! And thanks for the fave!
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tarpeia In reply to derkert [2010-12-06 19:50:43 +0000 UTC]
But still with a strong composition! (:
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Poromaa [2010-12-05 21:38:16 +0000 UTC]
Jag har svårt att riktigt förhålla mig till den problematik som du målar upp här, och även om jag självklart förstår vad du menar och håller med om att i datorns pixelbaserade värld så är det de raka linjernas tyranni som på sätt och vis styr. Fast om jag går till mig själv så har jag aldrig upplevt mig särskilt styrd, eller ens störd, för den delen av detta faktum, inte ens då jag ägnade mig åt ”digitalt måleri”. Nu jobbar jag ju med bilder på ett helt annat vis än dig, men även då jag mest använde mig av digitala penslar så kan jag inte påstå att jag någonsin kände mig instängd i den ”fyrkantiga världen”. Så jag känner att jag nog är fel person att egentligen ha någon åsikt om det problem som du målar upp. Jag använder i princip aldrig guidelinjer, eller andra liknande hjälpmedel i PS, utan försöker nog ha ett så fritt förhållningssätt som jag bara kan då jag jobbar med bilder. Dessutom är det väl så att i de senare versionerna av PS så kan man använda guidelinjer på ett ”friare” vis genom att de går att vrida och vända och vinkla (men det är klart att de fortfarande är räta, så det hjälper kanske föga…) Jag vet att många grafiska designers föredrar andra, vektorbaserade, program såsom Illustrator, men för min egen personliga del så känner jag mig betydligt mer låst då jag skall försöka mig på något kreativt i det programmet. Painter är dock ett väldigt trevligt program, i alla fall om man vill ägna sig åt digitalt måleri, men det är ju inte vad du ägnar dig åt, så… Ja som du förstår så känner jag att jag är ute och cyklar i detta resonemang. Du får ta det som det är…
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derkert In reply to Poromaa [2010-12-06 10:03:29 +0000 UTC]
Tack för ditt svar. Kameran är också en rectangular herre som skapar en i det närmaste
rätvinklig ram. Jag tror att tekniken styr oss med än vad vi är mevetna om, men det behöver
inte vara ett problem i sig. Jag tror att vi uppfattar griden helt olika beroende på vi arbetar.
När jag jobbade med collage var problemet det motsatta – et var svårt att få delarna att
linjera sig rakt och rätvikligt. Det blev som det blev och när jag sen beskar bilden så blev det aldrig
helt perfekt. När jag flyttade öven ett bildobjekt så hamnade e lite hur som haver på den nya bildytan
och inte som i PS i samma vinkel. Det är inte svårt att snurra saker i PS, men jag tror att det påverkar
mitt arbete på gott och ont.
Har inte senaste PS, men kanske kan jag ha nytta av de nya guideline verktygen. Vore kul att se hur du arbetar!
Tack för ditt långa svar!
edvard
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Poromaa In reply to derkert [2010-12-06 21:21:45 +0000 UTC]
Jag har heller inte den senaste versionen, men nu bygger jag en ny dator där jag komer att köra 64 bitars versionen av Windows 7 och då har jag även skaffat CS5 extended version, så då lär det bli till och snurra på guidelinjerna...
Du har rätt i att ens egna utgångspunkter, vad man jobbar med styr hur man förhåller sig till den digitala världen. det passar fotografiet ganska väl, kan jag tycka, även om min ambition alltid är att flytta ut det hela i rummet...
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derkert In reply to Poromaa [2010-12-07 09:22:50 +0000 UTC]
Jösses - nu kommer det gå undan! eller?
Låter bra: Att flytta ut det hela i rummet!
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KatDiestel [2010-12-04 23:42:13 +0000 UTC]
this looks like the hole i was afraid to fall into all day
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derkert In reply to KatDiestel [2010-12-05 00:29:42 +0000 UTC]
Well down there is a nice cosy bed, with a nice cosy....
maybe not!
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KatDiestel In reply to derkert [2010-12-05 00:45:29 +0000 UTC]
no, there really isn't anything cozy about it. once the ice gets cracks there is nearly no safe place at all. someone has to be brave and hold a very long stick out to you, patiently, and never let go ...
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derkert In reply to KatDiestel [2010-12-05 09:36:03 +0000 UTC]
so be brave....with me Miss Kat!
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KatDiestel In reply to derkert [2010-12-05 12:05:07 +0000 UTC]
i really do try ... but things are dark sometimes.
and you ... be patient.
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derkert In reply to KatDiestel [2010-12-05 13:03:37 +0000 UTC]
i will....heard about the light in tunnel...
:candle:
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