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And I think this is the first time I'm putting a Spidey related picture but hey , there's a first time for anything no?Now the top 3 may seem a bit too predictable (or not...) but I'll explain why I gave that ranking. Also the characters here ; like all posters of this kind are based on the power, potential , charisma & entertainment said character gave me.This is of course Open to discussion so bring it on. (One day I really should an Old vs New of spidey shows, since I really love both.)20 HAMMERHEAD
The biggest Al Capone fanboy is here mainly due to his rivalry with another villain on this list. Besides he may be the biggest headbutter in the world with his nigh unbreakable skull. But the most interesting thing about H man is that he himself lives in a dellusion, thinking of himself as the man while he keeps getting spat at by fate.
19 THE SPOT (Dr. Jonathan Ohnn)
In the right writer's hands, can actually be really rad.I mean, physically weak is not really a handicap to be a supervillain especially when you cannot even be touched. With the proper use , Doc Ohnn can become the king of burglars ...
18 CHAMELEON ( Dimitri Smerdyakov.)
The Chameleon is a master of disguise, and a brilliant method actor and impressionist. He is also a master of creating lifelike masks and make-up. He is a quick-change artist who can assume a new disguise in less than a minute, although he no longer needs to use such skills. He also speaks several languages fluently. Although the Chameleon is not a scientific genius, during his increased lifespan he has been exposed to a wide array of sophisticated experimental technology, much of which he can apply effectively in his nefarious schemes. So in a nutshell , you have the perfect spy.
17 VERMIN (Edward Whelan)
Poor guy... Poor little guy.Edward Whelan was a geneticist working for Baron Zemo and Primus I .In an experiment with the Primus/Arnim Zola imposter, his skin became a light pinkish fur color and he ended up resembling a cannibalistic, humanoid rat. Vermin is not a typical villain in that he is usually a pawn controlled by another. He has the intellect of a child, and would probably never be a threat to anyone if not for the ease with which he is manipulated...or really hungry.
16 RHINO ( Aleksei Sytsevich)
Rhino is an undermined villain. He has the strenth to challenge the Hulk, who spidey never beats, and he has his ramming attacks complete with a horn. Spidey should not be able to hurt him much. Most of the ways spidey beats him are stupid, such as melting his costume off him, hanging him upside down with webbing wrapped around his one foot, or simply having the Rhino portrayed as "too stupid" to counter attack well enough to overcome spidey's speedy attacks. Spidey's superior intelligence never tips the scales over the Hulk, nor should it, so why should it do so for Rhino, who is smarter than the hulk? Sure he's a little weaker, but not THAT much. Plus, as I said before, he has his fast running and ramming ability with a sharp horn. Overall, I think he should be capable of handling spidey and all of his adversaries mentioned above, but he doesnt because he's not quite popular enough. A shame because this big lug is all kinds of touching & sympathetic, especially when it comes to his family....
15 SCORPION (Mac Gargan)
Mac is the result of JJJ's douchebaggery for the most part. A rather shady private eye now turmed powerful mutate. Scorpy can be actually pretty funny with his lack of luck, he's like the reverse Gladstone Gander of Spidey's RG. Whenever he's planning something, it bites him in the tail. Robbery? Spidey nabs him at the end , Kidnapping that ALMOST succeeded? He snaps when he remembers JJJ. To his credit , he's the one guy that made Spidey buy him a pizza, That takes balls...
14 MYSTERIO (Quentin Beck)
A spotlight craving FX specialist & actor.The master of illusions and classic Sinister Six member first tried to boost his fame by taking on Spider-Man, incorrectly believing it would be an easy victory. And on that day, a grudge was born. Mysterio would try to earn his victory over the years with illusions, gas, robots, and so much more. He's quite possibly the only man in Marvel to use more life model decoys than Nick Fury . And he makes Fishbowls look great.
13 LIZARD (Curt Connors)
I love 90s Animated Lizard the best. He was insane and primal, yet the same time, brilliant and had priorities being able to think things through while being genuinely scary.
What they did lately to this guy was shit. They supressed one of the greatest edges he had, his love for his family, just to make him a ... rapist hypnotist.... I kid you not....
12 VULTURE (Adrian Toomes)
Yep, your eyes are not deceiving you! This old guy definitely makes the countdown! But why would you say?
Well Adrian is a pretty resilient old man not to mention he can go from threatening to pitiful. JM DeMatteis & Roger Stern gave Toomes a lot of pathos & tragedy, (which is why they're some of my absolute favourite Spider-man writers) so you should check their stories & you'll see why he is not a lame villain.
11 SHOCKER (Herman Schultz)
Shocker is something of a blue collar, punch-clock villain, which I find pretty fun actually. That facet and a classic pedigree definitely makes him pretty cool. What Shocker does is nothing personal, its just a way of making money to him, and paying his wife's divorce settlement. Wearing a padded quilt MK Scorrion suit may be weird , but hey it's a living.
No monologuing, no grand schemes, its just a job to him...
10 MORLUN
JMS's first story is high in my top 10. Morlun has been portrayed as some power sucking, dead-pan, bad guy who is extremely strong and gunning for Spidey. JMS may have tried a bit too hard to convince us of Morlun's credentials at first, but when the action starts , shit hits the fan.
He's a unique, not quite villain. He calmly tells Spidey he has no chance, he has to kill him and it's nothing personal (he even says he likes Spidey's humour, OUTSTANDING!), then he pounds Spidey into a pulp in order to savour him. It's sorta weird that you have a guy whose motivation for attacking Spidey is for food.
9 ELECTRO (Maxwell Dillon)
This guy has a LOT of power, a living tazzer all by himself , yet is handicapped by his inferiority complex... making him all the more deadly. Cornyish costume aside he's a BIG threat, hell the PS1 video game is pretty much a testament to his potential...
8 KAINE
The mutations of the failed cloning process make him taller, stronger, and faster then spidey.In many ways , he's what Peter would be had he been ruthless.Besides the Clone Saga mini-series was the last Great Spider-man story I've read (kudos to DeF
7 CHARLIE WEIDERMAN
The second & last good story in JMS's run,( I commend you to forget the one right before it... it's for your own sake!). Peter Parker was the biggest nerd at Midtown High School, until Charlie Weiderman showed up. Unlike Peter, Charlie came from an abusive family and was even more awkward. In gym, even the nonathletic Parker was able to easily score against him while playing volleyball. Peter tried to be his friend, and he visited Charlie in the hospital after he tried out a "super soldier" serum on himself. Still, he got no sympathy from the creeps at school. Add to that a vengeful weak-minded personnality, & an accident at work that turned his skin into a vibranium armor & you get a fucking nightmare on your hands.
6 VENOM (Eddie Brock)
Now a thunderbolt (IT'S MY CANON AND I SAID SO!), Eddie still is not quite a Spidey ally. Bounded permanently with his symbiote, he now tries atoning for his sins... by slaughtering criminals...
Okay before I read any spidey story, he was the villain I wanted to see on the big screen! srsly look at him: the gooey
skin (too leathery in the movie, I always pictured it as seeming fluid like in that Michael Mayhew painting), the sharp
teeth & the seductive slasher smile ( & a tongue most ladies would be happy to see their men with…).Say what you will but he had a far better motivation than “he beat me up when I committed a crime!”. Yes you heard right! Blaming someone else for your own fuck-up is HUMAN! Besides he had enough build-up for his madness:
-Eddie Brock reveals the identity of the Sin Eater after pressure from authorities to reveal it.
-Spider Man reveals the true identity of Sin Eater to be Detective Stan Carter which made Eddie Brock a laughingstock among his fellow journalists.After being fired from the excellent Daily Globe he's forced to write poisonous drivel for crappy scandal newspapers.
-Eddie Brock's wife left him.
-Eddie Brock decides to blame the predicament on Spider Man as he did reveal the true identity of Sin Eater making Eddie Brock look like a fool, and it a snowball effect it just got worse.
Most humans will always try avoiding the blame whenever they can , so I don't see what 's so weird about his (Hell, Dr Doom 's motivation for hating Reed is in the same class of pettiness...Which is why I love him anyway!)
Brock sees Spider-Man as the bad guy, whereas everyone else KNOWS they are doing acts of evil and still get pissy when Spider-Man stops them. Venom is also fun because of his irrationnality, he's basically an extension of JJJ but one that wants to murder Spidey! The Lethal Protector is actually a good nickname since I personnally see the quintessence of Venom as helping old ladies & kids to cross the street while slaughtering killers & thugs with another. Up to you if you agree...
5 HOBGOBLIN (Roderick Kingsley)
Not only antagonising Spidey & Harry at the same damn time, Hobby is as far as I'm concerned the masterpiece of Roger Stern. Roderick unashamadely & ruthlessly manipulated his brother, Ned Leeds , the friggin underground to get his way. As monstruous his actions can be ,he's purely motivated by cash .... how more relatable can you get! Sure, he has a bit of a proud side which got him caught in "Hobgoblin lives! (check it , it's worth the read...)
So in short, The dastardly fashion designer (YES they rule the crime empire MWAHAHAHAHHAAAA) is in it for the money and social power. Vendetta's against heroes are like second or third on his to do list. Thus Rody >>>> Norman..I'll expand later...
4 CARNAGE (Cletus Kasady)
Carnage is NOT one-dimensional. And here are my reasons for believing that.
1. An insane, lethal killing machine that's near unbeatable.
2. A peversion of all the twisted values Venom stands for.
3. A fatal mistake on the part of Spider-Man and Venom.
4. A poor abused boy who was turned into a monster by circumstance and a cruel world.
5. A warped philosphy where law and order are lies, and evil is freedom and truth.
6 The desire of influencing people to make them like him, preaching murderous hedonism
That's why he rules.Also, if you check out stories like the very first Carnage issues, The Mortal Past, It's A Wonderful Life, Mind Bomb, Web of Carnage and the wonderful Spider-Man/Batman Crossover "Disordered Minds", you'll discover for yourself that Carnage/Cletus Kasady has PLENTY of depth to go with his lethal nature to make him an AWESOME character. His main flaw is , however, that he must be used sparringly.Therefore to anyone who's gonna bark the opposite...here 's my rope , go hang yourself!
3 THE KINGPIN (Wilson Fisk)
I won't even speak volumes why he' s here . Fisk is one of the greatest characters ever made & his charisma just ooses in every panel he's in...
2 GREEN GOBLIN II (Harry Osborn)
Nowadays Marvel made me HATE, LOATHE & DESPISE Norman Osborn! Norman as The Goblin is honestly a 2-bit punk with a silly costume and a lot of power; there’s never been anything special about the Goblin himself. One of the most overrated villains in comics and always has been. He's not as fun as Eddie, Cletus or the Sinister Six, not as methodical as Roderick (Hobgoblin FTW Biatch!) he's not as ferocious as Morlun & not as charismatic as the Kingpin . He's only venerated for having accidentally killed Gwen, & dying by being impaled (Karma's a bitch...) .Hell the movie & TAS version was actually far more entertaining than the so called classic version!The whole Dark Reign BS only made him worse, I was actually annoyed about jobbing Deadpool to make him look good (considering how Wade is known to mercilessly slaughter his target, who would shit themselves if they ever hear they're his next contract!), BUT Nate Grey losing to him?The Guy that killed Sinister with his bare fucking hands, losing to that little turd? THAT WAS THE LAST STRAW! PIS & jobbing at its worst!Let's not even talk about Sins past....
Harry Osborn, on the other hand, is fascinating , tragic & CLEVER! He actually has an edge being a father,HAS ENOUGH BRAINS TO PLOT and his gradual, sometimes unwilling collapse into villainy makes him all the more suspenseful.( &the spiderman clone saga last mini-series is definitely what should have happened! Ben goes west,Kaine is on the loose,Peter & MJ are parents & Harry is left with the option of returning to his family or pursuing his revenge,Wonderful Dilemma!)
1 Dr OCTOPUS (Otto Octavius)
-First villain to defeat and humiliate Spider-Man
-First villain to unmask Spider-Man
-Involved in the death of Betty Brant's brother
-Formed the Sinister Six to destroy Spidey
-Was the Master Planner, who pushed Spidey to his limits in that classic scene where Spidey is buried under the rubble of Ock's lair, drowning in water.
-Trashed Aunt May's home and caused her to have a stroke.
-Brainwashed Spidey into becoming his criminal partner
-Death of Captain Stacey
-Used and tried to marry Aunt May for her inheritance of a nuclear facility where he wanted to build atomic weapons
-Bashed Black Cat to the edge of death, then upgraded his tentacles and followed her to the hospital to finish the job.
And he did all of this , while keeping his usual well-spoken & educated demeanor. Ock is just great, he's either a great solo threat or a great leader. His similarities with Peter make him a good contrast as well as a honourable rogue whenever opposed.
All my thanks go to Stan Lee, Steve Ditko, Jack Kirby, Gerry Conway, JM DeMatteis, David Michelinie , Roger Stern , Tom DeFalco & all the wonderful artists that worked along them.
I'll be happy to draw what happens to Spidey in my Canon, if he was not so busy buying diapers & bottles & talc.
Also fuck you Joe Quesada...Mephisto said that!
So here you are , folks & PLEEAAASE Leave feed back, I hunger for discussion !
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Funny now that Harry osborn is back and is a good guy now. Doc ock was an anti-hero for a while as the superior spider man before making a deal with mephisto
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But I have an even better one ! Arachnid's Aggravations
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Nice. Either way, both of your arts are nice.
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Glad you think so, dude !
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As always fantastic art! But as usual i do have something to say about your choices for this top 20 so let's begin.
20: Hammerhead is an interesting villain for me as i like his comic version and his multiple failures but i do prefer comics tombstone as the smaller time crime boss with delusions of grandeur. For me he is much more memorable in Spectacular as Tomby's right hand man with some ambition. Still not a bad pick
19: Nice to see someone give Spot his much deserved recognition and yeah it's a shame nobody saw his true potential although there was that BND story that saw him attack the russian mob due to his son's hospitalization at their hand (one of the good things to come from OMD) however after that he quickly returned to his role as a Z- lister. In my headcanon he eventually becomes one big spot ,takes the name Mr Nobody and figths a teenage May. Good choice as well.
18: Never much cared for Chameleon besides his relationship to Kraven or his brief stint in madness but he is an effective villain at least. Even so i prefer him as a non superpowered/gadget wearing villain.In my headcannon he is an insane former Kgb that only talks when impersonating people (that was a stroke of genius in Tas) who soon becomes obsessed with imitating spider-man. I would have put Kraven or someone like the Rose in this place instead.
17: Vermin is one of my favorite underrated spider-man villains and i love that you put him in this list.
16: Rhino is good but as you said too many writers (even the great Demattis did this) handle him as if he where a weak villain and not Spidey's own Juggernaut. The only time i have seen him with his full potential as a threat was in SSM were spidey only beat him using his biggest weakness the fact that he only has his face to transpire. He can also be a great sympathetic villain definitely a well deserved spot.
15: I just love scorpion he is one of my favorite spidey villains (alongside Kraven and Hobgoblin) and yeah he is kind of like Peter in a lot of ways: he has constant bad luck,used to work for Jameson and has arachind powers. It's a shame that the new spider-man cartoon didn't use him properly. I really want to see him properly adapted in the big screen not some random crime boss. The only real problem with him is that he flips between motivations too much from hating Jameson to wanting his uit removed to wanting money he just can't make his damn mind. He deserves the third spot just for the Pizza stunt.
14: Mysterio is a great villain with endless possibilities story wise but he really lacks any real motivation to be a criminal. I mean in one Webspinner issue they gave him a good motivation but it was never followed up on. My prefered version is his spectacular version if anything because he sounds egotistical yet menacing and ridiculous at the same time there he also has weak motivations but you can't have everything. The best version would be a mix between SSM's demeanor and Tas's backstory/motivation .A well deserved spot
13: Lizard is one of spidey's most compelling enemies and his family just makes him better. He has a big downside and it's that there is only so much you can do with him.Personally i prefer when he is a mindless beast with a good man trapped inside but i do like his 90's version and yeah marvel screwed him up so much in recent years frist Jenkins and then Shed. I honestly feel like he should be a bit higher.
12: I completely agree with you on Vulture. Just give him his Marvel knights design and i'll be happy.
11: I don't find shocker that interesting but he isn't boring either. I do prefer him as either a super badass mercenary from SSM and Tas or his badass loser persona form Deadly foes and Superior Foes. I don't think he should be this high on the list.
10: Morlun is a good antagonist but i wish that his storyline had ended with his first story as he is kind of one note. However its great to see a villain that actually likes Pete's sense of humor and does it all for necessity for a change of pace. Despite this all he doesn't gel with spidey's rogues gallery very well. Anyways he is a great choice
9: Electro is great and i'm sure they could do really interesting things with him. I was always interested by the fact that he is potentially as powerful as magneto but he doesn't live up to his potential. I love the fact that you drew him similar to SSM's electro who i like even more than the mainstream version. The only real problem i have is that the backstory Defalco gave him was a bit too similar to Otto's but it was still interesting.He does deserve this spot
8: Kaine is truly a great antagonist and i wish that they had done more with himas an antagonist i mean he is an antihero-ish clone of Peter. I Really hate his design tho. I mean it doesn't look like a spider at all! On another hand i also didn't like the fact that they had him kill Otto just to set him up as a big deal.
7: Charlie is an antithesis of Parker kind of like Brock since both never take responsibility of their actions however while Eddie has really poor motivations to hate spidey Charlie holds a more concrete argument for hating Peter (the reason spidey works as well as he does) than Brock ever did.,helped by the fact that he had an actual history with Peter. The only flaw is that while brock has a badass design and powers Charlie is just a new molten man. He is still the best JMS villain and he feels right at home in spideys rouges gallery. It's a shame nobody did anything with him since he could have been an awesome recurring villain. I would love to see him adapted on animation.On another hand i also like Mark when he is written well.
6: Ah venom i'm really split on the guy. He is a badass with an awesome design who poses a genuine threat to spidey and he works really well as an anti hero but i really never bought his motivations and his stint as an antihero felt forced. He Realistically he would blame either the original Sin Eater or the fake Sin Eater. I mean he has a reason but it's too contrived,the Tas,TSSM or even Ultimate version have better motivations for their actions. He also never does anything with the knowledge of Peter's identity he just fights him as spider-man and that's it. I mean he stands around MJ for a while and promises not to harm May nothin more. Still he is entertaining and funny as hell and one of the most human spidey foes but still it's a shame when vulture's motivations make more sense.
5: Kingsley is Da man! He's one of the best spidey villains and definitely a worthy successor to the Goblin throne. My only real issue is how he goes from a guy that extorts businessmen and wants power to a guy that wants to become the next kingpin basically. Also his partnership with Rose is just a copy of GG/Crime Master's "alliance". It's a shame that Mcandle and Urich tarnished his name and that writers made him lose his refinity. Another spot well deserved
4: I never cared too much for Carnage.I mean he is a decent villain but he is just Joker+Symbiote. Still he does have a really good motivation for doing things. I would put him way back in the list. Also the hang yourself thing is kind of offensive to me since i once tried to kill myself.
3: Fisk is pretty cool but really he always plays one of two roles in spidey books (mastermind or enemy that reforms due to Vanessa/Richard)
2: Harry as the Goblin is great but i do still prefer Norman as an antagonist. Norman (when written well) is the perfect mix between Lex Luthor (intelligence and resources) and Joker (madness) and has caused so much personal pain to Peter to even describe (ruined Flash's life,sort of killed Gwen,bought the Bugle to manipulate Jameson,kidnapped Mj and organized the sin 12,killed Peter's daughter,killed Peter's clone and drove his son to insanity and to his eventual death). The problem is that most writers only care about Gwen's death and nothing more so norman is usually not given much of a personality.
However Harry has a much better story as he is slowly driven insane by his dead father and best friend.I do still believe that the Clone Saga mini should be made canon so we can have the true Harry back. I feel like you should at least include Norman as an honorable mention but harry is fine were he is.
1: Ahh otto you wonderful bowlcut using, six armed,occasionally german mad scientist you. He is truly one of the best spider-man villains (there's only two real contenders for the throne:He,Green Gobby (be it Norman or Harry) or Venom). He is just so good and is the villain who has the best alternate versions. His spider-man 2 counterpart is just as great as is his SSM,Tas,USM Comics and even the version from the aberration that is USM Tv show. He is probably the only character that wasn't made worse by BND somehow and kept going strong. You probably just made his ego grow even more.
Great list even if it's a bit odd to not see Jackal or sandman or Kraven in this list.
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Funny I've been meaning to erase this drawing for a while... Maybe I will once I bring forth the revised edition as I am very dissatisfied with what I did here...
Man, you have me revisit my old drawings ! How cruel !
Despite this all he doesn't gel with spidey's rogues gallery very well.
Actually he does. The whole Totem storyline has its own unique "predation" theme that was not only new but extremely fitting for an adult Parker.
It's a shame that Mcandle and Urich tarnished his name and that writers made him lose his refinity.
Yeah I preferred Macendale as Demogoblin... Man, are fictional religious nuts cool or what ?
i really never bought his motivations and his stint as an antihero felt forced.
They MAKE SENSE. Guess what ? In Real life , people DESPISE each other over the flimsiest reason and some could kill others over nothing ! And By the way, What is Dr Doom's motivation for hating Reed Richards ? Because compared to THAT, Eddie's reasoning is logic 101. As for not doing anything with the identity, he just thinks that killing Spidey will bring peace of mind...simple as that (and it almost did !).
Actually as an anti-hero, he makes waaaay more sense than a lot of other Marvel anti-heroes that people fucking buy like discount wine. Case in point Lethal Hilarity - Good Old Eddie
I would put him way back in the list. Also the hang yourself thing is kind of offensive to me since i once tried to kill myself.
I am gonna stop you right here...The first 5 are just NON-negotiable. Carnage is not a decent villain, he's merely a fantastic one. He fucking brought a terror that is both impersonal (as he can go after any target on a whim, people are toys to be broken...) and personal (he's the complete anti-thesis of Peter Parker). And for a guy people insult (why do you think I insult them back BTW ? And if you think THAT is insulting to Spider-man fans, I've yet to finish the drawing that will piss them off???) and disregard as one-dimensional , he is NOT. He is one of the most fully realized antagonists in the whole book and a great BOSS-type foe to boot ! And as for the Joker comparison, nay. THIS is the character you can genuinely compare him to (even voice-wise it would fit) nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads…
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I'm really sorry if I made you revisit a drawing you weren't proud of but this one seemed great to me. Also cause I hunger on people's suffering.
Most of Spider-Man's villains are either men who use their powers (attained by circumstances out of their control) irresponsible or deny responsibility for their actions. I mean that Morlun doesn't really fit with most of the other big Spider-Man villains but that's what makes him cool.
Wasn't demogoblin the demon that used to be bonded with Macendale not Macendale himself. Also the whole religious nut thing came out of nowhere.
Yes in real life people hurt/hate other people for less but normally you don't root for them they are petty disgusting folk. Yes Doom hates Reed for much less but at the same time that's a guy who's mother made a deal with the devil and sold her soul so the guy is irrational. Yes I know he just wants to kill Spider-Man to be happy but in all honesty you can remove the aspect of him knowing who he is and it wouldn't make a difference. Well for starters i don't really like anti heroes that much with five exceptions (Punisher,Namor,Wolverine,Moonknight and Jason Todd) mainly cause I prefer my heroes to be good people but Venom was a villain ,he killed innocent cops and while he showed remorse he is still willing to hurt the innocents to benefit his own goal, so I doubt he would try to be an antihero despite how intresting that stint was. I've come up with a new origin for Venom:" Eddie Brock was a happy man until the day his father was killed by the sin eater during a confrontation with Spider-Man. Eddie wanted to kill them both but before he could do anything to Sin Eater he was gunned down by the cops so he settled on Spider-Man for dodging that bullet and leading to his dad's death. Eddie lost everything due to his growing obsession with Spider-Man but each loss made him hate him even more( first his wife divorced from him then he was fired due to threatening the publisher (could be the Globe could be the Bugle)after he published a story that made Spider-Man sound like a hero). One fateful day Eddie was tired of it all and decided to take his own life at a church where an alien symbiote had been rejected by spidey. Now he fused with the organism to become a poison to Peter Parker and Spider-Man he became Venom! And now he is going to destroy his life just like he destroyed his." Plus you are getting a movie about anti hero venom.
Yes Carnage is good but not top 5 good at least in my opinion. I do know that there is more to him than just killing,he has a really interesting motivation and is a good threat. He is a good antithesis for Venom (who himself is a corrupted Peter). Still I didn't insult you or Carnage, I don't think insulting solves anything (except for Joe Quesada I really hate the guy), but how is he one of the most realized antagonists in the book , he has done nothing of value (I mean he had Spider-Man and venom team up and he created a team of F lister villains). He is a good "boss" villain but he becomes extremely repetitive really quickly . I haven't watched those movies so I dunno weather the comparison is accurate but he was even drawn like the joker in his early appearances.
Which other villains do you like but just didn't put in this top 20?
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I mean he had Spider-Man and venom team up and he created a team of F lister villains
... STill more value than dropping an unconscious blonde from a bridge. And getting old ? ANY VILLAIN gets old when used too much and yet to his credit, the good outweighs the bad uses. SO No. TOP 5 villain. CHAPTER CLOSED
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Well Norman did more than throwing Gwen of a bridge. He was the frist villain to discover Peter's secret identity and not dismiss it as a trick, he was one of the frist villains to send Spider-Man running away,he nearly united the criminal underworld, and after his "death" he took control of a shadowy cult,engineered the clone saga,killed Peter's clone,kindapped/killed Peter and MJ daughter,almost succeeded in brainwashing Peter into succeeding him as the Goblin,bought the Bugle,destroyed the Bugle,he organized a team of twelve of Spider-Man's villains,he kidnapped his aunt May and buried her,he used one of his friends to destroy Peter's school,he financed a terrorist gruop so he could become public advocate and then mayor after the mayor's death and he kidnapped Aunt May to have Spider-Man free him from jail. Yes any villain gets old but there is so little things you can do with Carnage. Yes he is in YOUR TOP 5 not in mine.
Also what do you think of my backstory for Venom?
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Well Norman did more than throwing Gwen of a bridge. He was the frist villain to discover Peter's secret identity and not dismiss it as a trick,
STOP. Right here. After the glider in the damn lungs, I fully ignore it. Simple as that. The rest is exactly why I roll my eyes at the guy and... you know what I already said my piece.
So little things ? Slight correction ; FEW things. And once again , it's incorrect. The guy is more polyvalent than you or so many erroneously conceive. BUT again, I already said my piece. So I shall not repeat myself. And even the few he offered is a fucking lot to my heart !
Replace the dad by Ann Weying and it's better. Though as I said , Eddie 's background is fine as it damn well is already.
you can remove the aspect of him knowing who he is and it wouldn't make a difference
It makes a WORLD of differences. Ironically , Peter lucked out on that aspect; better a wacko like Eddie than genuinely nefarious people. And I still prefer him over the anti-heroes you've cited.
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But the part about having Spider-Man run away and the almost take over organized crime happened before his death. Yes writers have exaggerated Norman a lot but he still is the only villain to deal a personal blow to Peter none of the other guys have done something that has impacted him as much. Also that you say that you ignore most of these stories isn't a compelling argument because I could say that I ignore anything that came after the Romita era for Spider-Man yet all of that stuff after that still has happened. I still find Norman to on the very least be on the top 10 but let's just agree to disagree.
Sorry I meant few not little and yes he is one of the better villains but I PERSONALLY for whatever reason just don't like him that much like you don't like Norman.
Well in the sin Eater storyline the hurt civilian in an old man not a woman.
Yes he lucked out but it doesn't change the fact that story wise Eddie knowing who Peter really is is superfluos since he never does anything with it or doesn't even know him before being a villain (Tas,Ultimate and TSSM smartly gave Peter and Eddie some sort of relationship prior to him being venom). My point is that you could cut that aspect completely and it wouldn't change their dynamic just have Eddie know where he is by sensing him or something.
i asked this question once so I'll ask it again: which other villains do you really like but you decided not to put in the top 20?
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A very nice list indeed! I did always like Morbius from the animated series a lot, but these guys are awesome in their own way
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Morbius is a character I always saw as an ally to Peter rather than a full-blown villain.
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I actually really like the ORIGINAL Norman Osborne story arc(60's-70's) but bringing him back in the late 90's was a huge mistake.
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13 LIZARD (Curt Connors)
I love 90s Animated Lizard the best. He was insane and primal, yet the same time, brilliant and had priorities being able to think things through while being genuinely scary.
What they did lately to this guy was shit. They supressed one of the greatest edges he had, his love for his family, just to make him a ... rapist hypnotist.... I kid you not....
Suppressed? Didn't Marvel KILL Curt Connors' family?
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Well it is synonymous...
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One of my all time favorite moments from Shocker and why I always get annoyed by certain writers making him an absolute idiot.
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Yeah , Herman definitely deserves more kudos. Blue-collar bank roobers are kinda rare these days.
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Him and Captain Cold would make great drinking buddies.
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" So Lenny, how'd the hold-up go ?"
" A fast red guy ruined it. And you ?"
" A swinging red guy ruined it..."
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"Your Fast red guy give you a nickname, mine calls me the cushion."
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Well of course ! He deserves a spot !
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An awesome list! Great choices!
I bet you love the fact that Harry Osborn is the Green Goblin in The Amazing Spider-Man 2!
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Haven't seen yet . I am still pissed that they won't give us a properly done Venom.
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I think they're making Venom the 'Lethal Protector', as there will be a Venom movie coming out in between Amazing Spider-Man 3 and 4.
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In the meantime and for your reading pleasure ! devilkais.deviantart.com/art/S…
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...Sadly, we're not getting that Venom film. Amazing Spider-Man got axed after AMS2, and I seem to be only one who liked it.
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Out of curiosity, what's your opinion on the Superior Spider-Man stuff considering how you placed Doc Ock as Spidey's number 1 villain (a placement I greatly agree with)?
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I think in some ways he's better. He's not as funny as Parker Spiderman but Otto gets the job done and then some. He'll BRUTALLY beat the crap out of criminals and he's even killed a couple of villains. Which is actually probably a better idea in many cases it was always that put in prison, breakout, kill more people routine, killing them eliminates that irritable cycle and allows him to focus more on other things. Also it sends a greater level of fear into the minds of gangs or other criminals, Now they have to worry about Spiderman killing them rather then just webbing them up.
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While that is the logical move, the point of Superior Spider-Man was to show why Otto Octavius is not superior to Peter Parker as Spider-Man (BND or TRUE). Also, regardless of the stupidity it can induce (looking at you, Wasp), heroes don't kill (unless they're Wolverine, the Punisher or Venom XD). The moment they do, the heroes become no better than the enemies they fight.
I do wonder why the criminal underworld stopped fearing Spidey the moment Peter got his body back.
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They probably stopped fearing him because he wasn't as brutal as Ock was. Personally I believe that it doesn't make them as bad as the villains they kill, it keeps people much safer. Heck in a way by not killing the bad guy it makes them just as bad in some situations as they inadvertently allowed them to continue their killing sprees (IE Batman refuses to kill the Joker, because of this he is able to continue his killing spree whenever he escapes Arkham, so in a way Batman is also somewhat responsible for all those killings because he had numerous opportunities to stop it on a more permanent basis, but he chose to let him live). Obviously they won't let heroes start doing that more because they'd be killing off so many great villains and it makes it more difficult to create story arcs when you're in limited supply of baddies
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Truth to be told Mr marsmar , I stopped caring about whatever they do with it (The clone Saga Mini is the last thing I was content with and that I see as an ending to Spidey. I cobbled up my own Kanon a long time ago)
Due to my loathing of BND-Spidey, I see this as an improvement !
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i got here by searching "I SURE DO LOVE TURD."
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Now that is one random research !
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younger sister posted that message, she enjoys finding out passwords of others, namely me
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Forgive me, but I honestly can't see Green Goblin (of any numeral you can think of) or his copycats like Hobgoblin or Jack O'Lantern as being credible, more than one issue threats. They seem to either act as jokes or one-time threats. And as for remarks to the contrary, Harry's mental state isn't stable enough for the long term to truly act out a revenge plot and Kingsley hasn't had a decisive victory yet despite going away with great quantities of cash, after all, karma and justice has a way of catching up, no matter how many breaks a person may seem to get...
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Not a goblin fan as I see
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You may consider one of them top tier, but my opinion of him isn't exactly positive at all, sorry!
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