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The Message
Published: 2007-11-06 19:06:34 +0000 UTC; Views: 12819; Favourites: 299; Downloads: 384
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Hello everyone.This is a typographic poster that I made using quark only ( class assignment ). I was heavily inspired by Lizzitsky and decided to do something reminiscent of his style ( or at least try ).
Its a poster celebrating " Artistic Rebelliousness " and it reads as so..
Hi
my name is
Phuq Hugh
I'm an artist
Nice to meet u
Design is my life
Passion is my Marc
Type is my weapon
You've just been killed
Meet you maker
All opposition is indeed useless
Resistance is futile
Blessing to all of mankind.
hope you guys enjoy it as much as I did creating it.
Till we meet ( or design ) again....
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thanks for the comment. I appreciate it
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really cool design as a whole luv it
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thanks for the comment. I appreciate you taking the time to look at my work
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please feel free to drop by anytime. later
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thanks for the favorite.... I appreciate the comment
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Wow, I'm truly impressed... by how shoddy this is. If type is your weapon you might want to defend yourself with something more effective, like a spoon or a wet newspaper. Difficult to read, poorly designed, and typographically unsound. Kerning, tracking, leading: tools, not toys. Glancing at your gallery I find the work "The Struggle" a great deal better, mostly because it's very easy to follow. Don't ever make the viewer struggle to read, don't make them turn and twist their neck, don't send them down different paths. Typography is about communication. Every design decision should improve, not hinder, that communication.
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I appreciate the criticism. thanks for taking the time to illustrate how I can improve. each individual character was used as an element for the composition as a whole.... it just so happens that these graphic symbols are also recognized as letters therefore creating words. this poster exists to represent contemporary playfulness. I apologize if kerning, tracking, and leading were used to express this. I definitely look forward to speaking with you again. I'll add you to my list if you don't mind
thanks again.
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I felt kind of bad about how harsh I was, and you were pretty nice in your response, so I thought I'd give you a more detailed critique. I basically put it all into this big image which definitely requires some explanation.
Here's the big picture (imageshack).
At the top is your work, of course. The first instance illustrates the path a reader takes to deconstruct the message. Blue lines are the pathways, red swirls mark an instance where the text turns. This happens quite often: I counted 1350 degrees of turning from one to the next throughout the design. Considering that this is mostly turning 90ยฐ one way and then the other, this involves a considerable amount of effort on the reader's behalf.
The faint green lines over top show the directions the eye naturally takes instead of what the piece forces it to. The shape of the work, disregarding that it is text, either sends the reader into the center or pushes him outside to the right. Always try to make the natural direction and the necessary direction the same. Treat typography like any other art; use direction, shape, colour, etc. to guide the reader from beginning to end.
This problem with flow is underlined by the second instance. I marked out significant vertical and horizontal lines in yellow: horizontal along where the eye tends to move horizontally, and the same vertically. Green lines show the diagonal relation between text elements. It isn't comprehensive, but it should serve to demonstrate how a design that appears solid can actually be fundamentally chaotic. The better the relation of one element to another, the more seamlessly the work flows and the easier it is to follow. Try to use the same shapes and distances throughout the piece. Don't just line some elements up, try to achieve consistency in spacing elements and white space. Use a grid if you need to.
I've covered some typographical stuff in the red text. Kerning, tracking and leading are all essential to a work like this, but they are technical means to achieving art, not the art itself. Otherwise you're making the brush strokes more important than the painting.
Now, you said you were inspired by Lissitzky, so I took one of his paintings (Proun 19D) and applied a similar notion. On the left you see the original, on the right, my lines connecting various elements. It's not a textual work, but the same principles apply. Note that the pink triangles are all the same triangle, and hey - so are those two big ones I outlined. See how even in a piece that seems so skewed and cluttered at first glance, lines still run parallel or perpendicular each other and the triangle shape is reproduced over and over again? What's more, although I disregarded it for this exercise, Lissitzky is actually working three dimensionally, and his triangles appear there as well. He's taken a very basic shape and turned it into a design that doesn't necessarily show that shape directly, but references it in every line.
Now, I don't expect you to be as brilliant as Lissitzky - yet - but his work underscores the necessity of approaching typography as an art form that demands an understanding of all of art's fundamentals. Typography and design are powerful tools (or weapons, if you wish), and much of their power comes not from the words, not from the typeface, not from the weights or the exclamation point but from the shapes and lines that form the framework of the design and influence the reader's subconscious. Instead of imitating Lissitzky's work, discover why he did what he did and apply the same principles to your own work.
Hope this helps. If you have any questions (or if you disagree), hit me.
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dude, your resourcefulness is amazing. I'm currently enrolled in the Art Institute of Fort Lauderdale seeking a bachelors in graphic design and I've never have someone take the time to actually break my work down in such small fragments to expose its weak points ( for the most part ). I knew there had to have been a reason why your response to this particular piece was so brash. Which is why I chose to respond in such a manner to uncover the deeper meaning behind your comment, instead of categorizing it as classic hate.
I to have to be quite honest with you, " The Message " was an impulsive piece that I was pretty proud of. This was simply a quick class assignment. The objective was to make a poster only using quark under a certain amount of time, so as an introduction, my instructor made some quick references to Lissitzky, David Carson, Stephan Sagmeister, Paul Rand, etc. So I took a couple of glances at his work and went for it. I was totally oblivious to his profound sense of structure.
I am truly grateful of your expertise. I was literally still learning some of the mannerism of quark while rendering this piece real time. Because of such time constraints, not much time was spent studying Lissitzky's prowess.
If you could do me a favor and enlighten me as to where I can find some good websites or books explaining Lissitzky's style and the constructivism movement from a designer's point of view I would deeply appreciate it. also if you had anything to say about my other pieces feel free to do so.
Part of being an artist is to cherish negative commentary as you would positive. either way an emotion is drawn for the audience. what you do after is what I truly believe makes the difference. my skin is pretty thick so I was actually excited by your original statements. I look forward to future conversations.
take care.
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I'll be honest as well, I hadn't heard of Lissitzky until now. I work part-time as a graphic designer but my true love is painting, chiefly after the Realism and portraiture of Sargent and Velรกzquez. Deconstructing his work was a shot in the dark but it is no surprise to discover that sense of structure and precision in any great artist's work. I wish I could recommend something to read but I have no formal education myself; I can only recommend studying art and studying more art, and anything goes.
For example, I just grabbed a photo of Michelangelo's Pietร and drew lines across some of the major features from top-left to bottom-right. Then I mirrored those same lines. What do I see? Beautifully subtle symmetry. The line that runs down his neck and chest and his right foot ends up running down the inner edge of her dress and bisects his wrist. The line that runs down his arm ends up bisecting her elbow, crossing the bottom of his loincloth and cutting exactly along the fold in her dress beneath him. The line that follows the bottom of her dress then runs across his knees and along the back of his calf. This is just part of the design underlying this sculpture and is probably much more apparent and meaningful in real life, in three dimensions, and I'm probably missing a lot.
The point is, the best way to learn about this stuff is to take works of art and design that you appreciate and think are powerful and deconstruct them. Figure out how and why it works. It's no different than taking apart a radio or a car to figure it out or fix it. Don't fall into the trap of thinking art and design are all about expression and impulse and pure creativity. There is structure to everything around us, symmetry and patterns and a surprising amount of math. The human brain works best when presented with this structure; break it at your peril (seriously, break it, but not until you're good enough).
Also, it's a good idea to read up on art theory and fundamentals. I also recommend reading the lines and colors and I Love Typography blogs. Good luck!
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ahhhh I see, well done scholar! so the moral of this story is to take what a see and break it down considerably until I've achieve a natural since of framework and structure. cool.... This has been a wonderful experience. Had I'd never land the daily deviation, I would've never ran into you. thanks a lot. I look forward to showing future pieces. I'm much more interested in viewing your work as well.
later
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Freakin' sweet job. Love the way you set it up. Keep this up!
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thanks a lot... I will certainly try to do the best I can.
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Sans-serific indeed. Excellent job.
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thanks a lot bryce..... I'm glad you like
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Wow, I really, really like this piece! Excellent work!
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thanks a lot Mr. Green....... feel free to stop by anytime
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thank you so much. you have nice photos
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Looks awesome man,
I had to do this type of thing last year in my first year at Uni. Bloody hate Quark. But youve done an awesome job, well done on the Daily Deviant to.
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I glad you feel my pain with quark..... but after this assignment I have a deeper appreciation for it though. I was kind of easy managing all the type due to the hot keys they have available
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Yeah I really must give it a go again some time, as you can get some pretty awesome looking pieces. Got some Business Card and Letterhead designs coming up to do soon so I may give it another whirl. Which version you using?
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ummm at my school they are using the latest version. the one that doesn't have the little flower as the logo.
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I've a subjective comment for this one; maybe you could add something to bottom left side for more equilibrium(opposite of "is"), because I like equilibirum in graphics(obsession kind of "like").
but other than that, this is pretty much one of the most original typography I've ever seen.
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I appreciate your point of view. your honesty can't do anything but make me stronger as a designer. please feel free to drop by and comment on any of my work.
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I love it. When writing becames so... visual.
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I feel exactly the same way. Its truly amazing what can emerge from simple letters and words. It feels great to be an artist
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Phuq Hugh isn't actually your real name, is it?
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* smiling * ....... no that isn't my real name. It's " Marc " actually.
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Haha, I didn't think it was, but a part of me inside was hoping... lol.
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lol yeah its a pretty cool name that I came up with. I think I'm going to personify that name and actually make it into a character. just haven't really figured it out yet.
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thanks man I really appreciate it. please feel free to drop by anytime. I might need some help with 3D art in the future! lol
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just....WOW. such wonderful composition and movement about the space.
I was immediately reminded of Lizzitsky when I first saw this, so I'd say you did a good job with that. Oh, and I like your...uh, name...haha.
I'm a GD major with a serious passion for typography....too bad you won't find any of that stuff in my gallery, as it is sparse and of poor quality...so far!
I've been lacking inspiration in all artistic avenues lately, and YOU Sir, have inspired me! So thank you for creating this and sharing it with us here. I think if I create something along the lines of this gem here, I'll definitely credit/link you...if it makes it into my gallery.
"The Message"--loved, admired, drooled-upon, and now, FAV'd!
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your words are truly cherished. thank you so very much.
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Congrats on the DD and well done for this lovely piece!
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thank you .. I'm honored
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i'm only just getting into typography.. so dunno if my comment will mean much at all lol but yeah, i think this is pretty awesome. I love that you can read bits of it, in random order.. So one's version may be different to someone else's.
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typography is crazy fun. you should definitely get into it. that way you can add some really cool word to all of you photos. it works great for elements in a composition
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woooaaaaaaaa...this is awesome...ja`dore it
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thank you so much. I really appreciate the comment. you have some really cool abstract 3D art. what's even cooler is that you're from egypt! thats awesome! now I can say I know of an artist who resides at such a location. maybe you can show me how to work in 3D sometime.....
good luck with all your ups and downs.
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hey ...thx..i just saw ur comment and it did make me so happy
in my fractal i used apophysis-
and my v. latest i edited my fractals by a program v. well known called ACDsee 6.0
i used the effect > artistic>sheetmetal...it is awesomeeeee
my older picz all was made by adobe
i think that adobe photoshop is a great bless ..i just love it so much though i'm not a real pro. in using it
thx 4 ur nice wishes
and i hope that every thing is going well with u
keep it up
salamzzz
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hmm I've never really heard of the program before... sounds pretty interesting. I pretty much just do everything in illustrator. I'm current trying to take my work to the next level by messing around with photoshop. it makes me feel like a beginner all over again. lol.
but thank you very much for you kindness.... I look forward to future encounters.
later...... or should I say salamzz ? right? lol.... seeya
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u r so sweet , kinda funny too
ur work is amazing..i adore it
adobe is like a great world..every day lots of changingz come up ... u need to be updated all the time
but ...it is super
enjoy using it
and seeya ..salamzzz
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