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ADDING THIS NOTE:
If you use this journal to harass or throw slurs at the user mentioned? I'm just going to block you. This Journal is to warn people of a certain behavior; it is not a free-for-all. I am adamantly against the use of slurs, and anyone using them to harm others is getting an instant block from me. People don't get to perpetuate harmful phobic rhetoric using me as a conduit.


This journal is to warn users to not interact with, buy, trade, or do artwork for user ZiyaArakka / civetfox due to the fact that some of their "characters" may potentially be stolen designs from other users, where they've taken them without permission.
Please block them, do not interact, and if you see a stolen character, notify the true owner so they can file a DMCA report.

Hopefully Final Edit, for Real: So unfortunately, things continued and I'm updating this again. They contacted me on Amino, which I didn't block them on, since they were constantly stating they knew I was awake and wanted answers. After I told them I didn't feel comfortable taking my journal down, they deactivated their account, and posted this on another, stating I had "basically laughed at them and told them to screw off."


Another Minor Edit: 

They've also now posted it on Twitter: 
twitter.com/SkyderStudios/stat…


I have saved the actual conversation here so people can read it for themselves and see if there is anything mocking or wrong in my demeanor: sta.sh/2plhmp8nomb

As I stated in that conversation, I make the journals to warn other artists and commissioners so they don't get scammed or fooled into drawing something they didn't know the full story of. I don't do this for laughs, I don't get some thrill from this. I feel disheartened every time it has to come to this and having to see people who have been taken advantage of. It's taxing.

And as feared, the character they made was just an anthro carbon copy:

I actually am not sure which is supposed to be the gift art, and which is now the supposed new character, because they are almost identical.

Minor Edit:Found out which one was the copy and which wasn't, I think. They claim both are the same character and gift art to Nerdy but from the conversation and from what I was told by the owner, it doesn't seem to be so.


They posted some of the discord discussion they had with Nerdy, and as you can see Nerdy tried their best to be kind and this person was very guilt-trippy and rude:


Minor Edit:Here's the notes from dA, proving how Nerdy has previously, multiple times, stated they were uncomfortable and didn't want a character similar to theirs: sta.sh/27qba6mj4ln

Also good to note the semi backhanded apology to FIamango:


Minor Edit:Wanted to add that Fiamango never told them to "fuck off" as they've stated.


Hopefully this is a lesson learned to not do this again to another designer or owner, but in case, here's other sites they are on so you can avoid them:

inkbunny.net/ZiyArakka

twitter.com/zyymurgy

ziy-blog.tumblr.com/



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Hopefully Final Edit: They made their own journal, claiming it is not art theft, but plan to make their own oc based off this one, admit to having planned to use the oc despite not getting permission, etc.
"Instead I went to their profile and sent them a note, which they ignored. I thought hey, maybe they just don't come on dA any more, they obviously make new accounts whenever they feel like it, so whatever. I wait a week, and then I send them another note saying 'hey, I'm going to use this design, let me know if you want money for that'."
"Using" the design in any way without permission is theft. I'm going to make that clear. That is absolute theft.

"Now let's straighten up a point of contention...
When I say 'use this design', what do I mean?
My intent was to purchase the design and then create a character that fits the look. I feel this is a pretty clear stated goal. If I was doing this without purchasing the design and without permission, THAT WOULD BE THEFT."
That...that is literally what they were planning to do. That is literally what they were doing .

So yes, their journal admits to purposefully trying to steal a design, them still denying it, and now trying to make a copy of someone's character, which is still design theft!

So the beware still stands. Please do not create art of this users blatant rip off, please do not interact with them, please to not promote this type of behavior.

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Edit: Found the Rightful Owner of this Character! This Character belongs to Nerdy-Pony and they have been informed of the theft. They bought the design back in 2017 and Ziyaarakka has no permission whatsoever to use the design, blackmail Flamango, or steal Nerdy's character. Special thanks to xHalesx for finding the current owner!

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Double Edit: This is how they chose to contact the owner...
"Prove to me how long you've owned this pony that I wanted to buy or I'm going to ignore that you own it and continue 'using it for my own purposes' anyway"

Just to point out, Nerdy has owned this character for a while:

Got it just a few months after creation. Character was made in January, was bought purchased by Nerdy in April.


Minor Edit: I have been requested to just block Ziya, which I am respecting, so they will no longer be responding to this journal, and hopefully no longer spamming it or anyone else here.

Another user named FIamango made this design back on their old account:

Since then, the design was sold and they no longer own the character. Of course they still created the design though, and their name is tied to it.

That is why they received this strange message in their inbox several days ago:

Due to how the message was worded, how long ago it was already sold, and other factors, Flamango chose to not respond and though that Ziyaarakka would get the hint that no, they weren't getting the design. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case.

They decided to message again, now this time stating that since they got no response, that they were going to use the character anyway even though they had no permission, nor knew who currently owned the design! That is stealing. Forewarning doesn't make it less of a theft. Saying they can pay after they've taken something without permission is not being sold something. It's basically forcing the artist into a corner. In this case, Flamango can't double sell the design and this person owns no rights to the character, and is stealing from someone else.


Flamingo, seeing this response, did reply to them. This was the response:

They basically disregarded that they were told they couldn't use the design, that someone else currently owned the design, using the excuse "well art is already in progress." Sorry but that's no excuse.

Even in the second paragraph, they choose to disregard the artist's rights to their own intellectual property, saying "I don't feel that you can control whether people make art of it." as though that is relevant to them effectively stealing a design they didn't pay for.

"However, since it was older work that was on an account you no longer upload to and I could not find other traces of this design with a casual search, I assumed it was something you didn't care about." This is also pretty abhorrent. Just because an artist makes an older piece of work, does not make others entitled to use it later. Art does not expire. An artist doesn't just suddenly lose rights to their work and they will definitely care if you just up and take their designs without permission.

The "because I'm going to use it even if you don't accept my payment" is them admitted to willingly and purposefully stealing the design, without the artist's consent to selling it, just because they didn't see the artist currently using the design.

Again, please do not buy, trade, or do art for this user. There is no guarantee that the design you are committing to isn't stolen from another member of the community. Please block them, do not interact, and if you see a stolen character, notify the true owner so they can file a DMCA report.

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Comments: 205

Frost-Skyder In reply to ??? [2020-04-05 18:19:59 +0000 UTC]

A slur is a word with a history of extreme derogatory connotation to it that has been used to marginalize and directly harm a group of people.

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Spritzee [2019-09-09 22:57:03 +0000 UTC]

This user is overall to be avoided. They sent a friend of mine a very concerning threat about coming to my home and murdering me over removing her from a discord moderator position for inactivity. I HIGHLY advise not communicating with this person for any reason.

EDIT: I can provide screenshots if needed as well.

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Frost-Skyder In reply to Spritzee [2019-09-11 01:56:22 +0000 UTC]

Oh jeez what?! Honestly if you do have evidence of that, please note me, seeing as death threats are extremely serious and far, far worse than what I had mentioned in my journal.

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Spritzee In reply to Frost-Skyder [2019-10-07 22:23:44 +0000 UTC]

Sent ;w;

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Ilia-Mae [2019-07-25 04:53:57 +0000 UTC]

Wow. It's interesting because you blocked civetfox 's first account and then they decided to block evade to comment on this.

Message to Civetfox/Zi

The fact that you stated that if the original designer didn't give you permission or didn't let you buy the character you wanted that you would still use it anyways. - That is indeed theft. 

Looking at the shot of nerdy-pony and the convo you had, they were uncomfy with you using their LEGALLY OWNED character. 
You may have talked with them and are on now "good terms" but your unprofessionalism and your lack of copyright knowledge and the fact that your life is going into chaos isn't frosts fault. Frost is in NO WAY a bully and the fact that you say they are because they posted a warning about you and showed proof - The only bully here is YOU. 

You block evaded and guess what: That's a great way to get yourself banned for good from dA.

Frost: I suggest if they continue to block evade to report them for block evading and for harassment since their journal is clearly harassment.

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Frost-Skyder In reply to Ilia-Mae [2019-07-25 06:14:48 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for the advice. You met me through unfortunate drama, and got to see more again. Sorry if I spammed your feed with this.

I did end up having to block the second account because at that point, I did feel like we were not going to agree with each other, and it was just going to escalate further if we continued. They wanted to report my journal for harassment and they can feel free to do so. If dA takes it down, I can just put a record of what occurred on my tumblr instead for record-keeping and link it back, because I still don't feel it's appropriate to sweep this under the rug.

I don't feel the need as of yet to report theirs though, since I know they are just lashing out in anger and that by linking my journal in theirs, it disproves most of theirs immediately if anyone reads mine.

Now that it was semi-solved, at least for the actual owner of the character, at least that part of the issue is finished (?). The only current unresolved issue is between them and I and I don't think either of us are going to agree. I'm hoping that we can just choose to move on and let it drop, seeing as this journal has only expanded because they continued to probe and escalate, and I'd gladly like to see things dropped.

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starchildconnie [2019-07-25 02:26:47 +0000 UTC]

i've been quietly watching this all unfold ever since last night, and i'm just... WOW. okay. this is all very amusing to watch, but i also feel really bad for how much stress this is causing.

i'd like to point out, as someone that was literally chased off of this website one time years ago due to harassment/bullying, this is NOT HARASSMENT. it's literally just a warning/beware post, because the person in question hasn't proven they can be trusted as they continue to lie and twist everyones words into incomprehension. they continue to yell at everyone who dares to say even the smallest thing that goes against them, when all of this could've been avoided with a simple "i'm sorry, i won't do this again." without the added tantrum and so-forth. it's REALLY not that hard!

and the journal they made about you is?... really unneeded. everything i've seen from you has been very calm, collected and mature. they're going way over themselves to try and slander your name for no reason, it's really saddening. i hope everyone that's involved in this ( yes, including the person in question here! i very much hope they can learn from this and move on ) can move past this. ;;

ps: i also don't understand the people ( or person ) that had to go out of THEIR way to insult them with a slur. that's EXTREMELY uncalled for and i hope they don't do that again. it's disrespectful and hurtful as all get-out.

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Frost-Skyder In reply to starchildconnie [2019-07-25 02:41:52 +0000 UTC]

I blocked the person who chose to use a slur because they do not belong on my journals ever again. That is not acceptable. I make these because I want people to be aware of situations to keep themselves safe or to use discretion, not so they can do things with malicious intent.

I gotta say, none of this was really amusing, and it drained a ton of people sadly. People are tired. I'm sure it was like watching a war zone though. :C

I'm also very sorry to hear you were bullied and harassed. I really, really hope now things are going much better for you and that you have a supportive group in case people try to pull that bull again. That kind of behavior shouldn't be tolerated.

Also the journal they made about me was made out of anger and hasn't been the first time someone has made one, so I kinda take it with a grain of salt. People can see what I've written and evaluate the situation from there. In many cases...it's actually had people read my journals and go "oh well now I'm aware of the actual situation" which is always an interesting surprise rip.

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starchildconnie In reply to Frost-Skyder [2019-07-25 02:49:40 +0000 UTC]

i'm glad you won't associate with people that inflict harm onto others like that, it's absolutely NOT acceptable even if they are rather questionable. throwing insults, slurs, etc, is never okay and i will never see how it is to some people.

aah, when i say it was amusing, i meant it as in...? really interesting to watch unfold, i suppose?; i never thought it was funny or anything, because these situations aren't funny in the slightest. as you put it in your previous message, it was like watching a war zone, however, so i feel like that's the best way to describe it. again, i cannot imagine how stressful this was/has been for everyone involved. i can't take stress at all because i break like a twig under pressure, which is why i decided to sit by the side and watch this all rather than go into it.

don't worry! everything's good now and i have many good friends with me. <3 if anything, that situation DID help me mature quite a bit, even if it was under bad circumstances. i can easily say it's why i can handle things easier now compared to back then. again, it's just sad that i had to go through that for that to happen, i guess. but that's just how it is on this website sometimes, sadly.

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Frost-Skyder In reply to starchildconnie [2019-07-25 03:11:54 +0000 UTC]

Don't worry! I knew you meant no harm and could tell you weren't finding this funny or a "haha, look at this" kind of scenario. Sorry if it came off like I was assuming so. A lot of my friends don't like confrontation and are somewhat passive, so these kind of situations stress them out a lot. I'm a bit more standoffish and protective so I am usually the one that compiles things if it helps relieve some of that pressure.

I'm glad you're in much better circumstances now! I went through a lot of rough patches with very abusive people in the past, so I know how it can make you have to change perceptions mighty fast just to handle things. I'm glad we are both in a better place now. Best to you and the good friends you have! <3

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starchildconnie In reply to Frost-Skyder [2019-07-25 03:29:27 +0000 UTC]

it's alright!! i had a feeling you didn't, but i felt like clarifying juuuust in case. cx!

like i stated before, i break very easily under stress/pressure, but if needed i can stand up and become protective of people i care for. ;;; 

but thank you, i really appreciate that!! ;w; you're such a sweet person. <33

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OCEANGOTH [2019-07-25 02:16:47 +0000 UTC]

commenting again i guess, it's really unfortunate how this situation came to be to begin with. there was a lot of communication errors and unnecessary profanities thrown to people attempting to nudge civ into a better understanding of what went wrong.  i personally can't help but feel bad. we all make mistakes, but i think misunderstandings and lapses in communication caused this to go way too far. ultimately, i hope it's ended, but i would have wanted it to go much better. i thought it was going to go well at first and i was pretty wrong, unfortunately.

one thing i will say though, is i appreciate you making bewares and informing us of potentially dangerous situations. it's a good thing you do, frost, because so little people appreciate the work, strength, and dedication it takes to do what a lot of people are afraid to. warning other users of a particular person's behavior isn't harassment, it's the truth and an unfortunate one, but one that needs to be said. while i am upset civ has been getting attacked needlessly by a couple buffoons who don't understand the giant bolded text that says DO NOT HARASS THE USER MENTIONED, i am also frustrated with their behavior towards attempting to get a peaceful resolve. i know things can't always have happy endings, but i always feel like things like this could have been handled very differently. 

this whole thing is beginning to remind me of something i was involved in almost a year or so longer ago now, and it honestly wasn't pretty. not really like this so much as personal drama, but it's still a smidge upsetting seeing stuff like this happen on the regular.

i'm honestly hoping everyone can move on from this and find peace. this has been a very stressful near 48 hours, i'll be truthful about that. i hope civ can learn to understand and hopefully return with a clearer sense of mind and a rebuilt life, as well as being more at ease; and nerdy and fia can both continue on without worrying this may happen again.

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Frost-Skyder In reply to OCEANGOTH [2019-07-25 02:27:12 +0000 UTC]

I'm also honestly upset that some people chose to use my journal as an excuse to be harmful. Those I caught doing so I blocked in hopes they no longer can use me as a vehicle for that behavior.

It's been an unfortunate situation for all parties around...and unfortunately as it stands right now, Civ hasn't let it go, but I'm hoping they will, realize that this was just one unfortunate situation, and that they can move on. This isn't a permanent scar, their artistic career isn't over, but they need to handle things differently in the future to make sure things do not repeat. It could go more smoothly hopefully, or far worse, since there are some very nasty people I wish on no-one.

I'm really sorry this reminded you of a bad memory, and I'm sorry it took a toll on you. As I said in my journal, this kind of thing is taxing for everyone. There's no really happiness in this for anyone involved. It's in hopes to prevent more collateral damage, and hope that those who got taken advantage of may get some semblance of justice, but it usually is an empty victory of sorts. Damage is already done, and people still are left feeling taken advantage of and used even if the situation is "made right."

I really, really wish I saw more happy endings with this, and I've been  lucky enough that I have seen a few, and actually become friends with some of the people I had almost written bewares about, finding out they were being manipulated or fed false information which was influencing their actions. There are happy endings sometimes, and I cherish for those moments.

Nerdy and Fiamango have loving friends that will be their support group, and we'll make sure that if they need us, we are here for them. If you ever need help, I'm here to listen too. I know you tried your best to even help Civ, I saw you trying to work a middle ground and try to clear air. Please take a bit to take care of yourself too, because I know that must have been draining.

Know that you are appreciated.

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OCEANGOTH In reply to Frost-Skyder [2019-07-25 02:35:58 +0000 UTC]

thank you. i have been doing my best to; i will admit this did drain me a bit. i don't know if my two cents was worth it in the end, but having been in a place like this where miscommunication goes awry, i wanted to reach out and see if i could have been of any help. i don't know if it changed anything, or if i could have done more, but i tried as best as i could to see if i could do anything. i actually rarely get involved in things like this, but i was very curious and interested in the beginning of all of this, and wanted to try and help a little bit. 

i suppose that this is going to be one of those cautionary reminders to be careful with what you say and how you word things. being english isn't my best language, i take that lesson seriously since things get lost in translation a lot of times. but metaphorically as well. i never intended to be directly involved, but i wound up being in it. i don't quite regret it so much as i do wish i was less brash when i entered it. i did come out more educated and willing to try and hold a middle point though, if anything.

hopefully you're taking care of yourself as well. i know this has definitely got to be stressful for you to think about too, but you did the right thing.  you and your work is just as appreciated here too, and i can speak for a lot of people when i say that. 

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Lokiimagik [2019-07-25 01:57:38 +0000 UTC]

I want to add to the comment below, I was also once in confrontation with Frost-Skyder and I learned from that.

I was wrong, and I'm glad he told me as much, I'd like to think I've grown from it and what he does is NOT HARASSMENT

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Frost-Skyder In reply to Lokiimagik [2019-07-25 02:02:54 +0000 UTC]

I'm honestly really thankful we made amends and were able to move past that, even when it had been a very strong subject for us both. I greatly appreciate you and am thankful to know you. <3

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Lokiimagik In reply to Frost-Skyder [2019-07-25 02:10:21 +0000 UTC]

I feel very much the same. <3

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SlimStrider [2019-07-25 01:53:49 +0000 UTC]

As someone who was once nearly completely ripped apart by Frost-Skyder:
There is a difference between guilt tripping people because you are too busy trying to continue with a long winded lie in order to harass people who have been in contact with fIamango and nerdy-pony the whole time, and have access to your entire conversations with them, and being upset because people have genuinely wronged you. Yes, people have no right to throw slurs at you, or actively seek you out to harass you, but none of us have ever actively condoned people to interact with you in such ways. Take advice from people who have genuinely messed up before and actually learn something from this, or life isn't going to get better. Frost has been nothing but nice to me even though I royally messed up prior to getting to know them. They are more than willing to give you a chance but you need to be a better person, and prove that you're better than all of these outbursts.

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Frost-Skyder In reply to SlimStrider [2019-07-25 01:57:05 +0000 UTC]

I'm honestly really thankful that things went they way they did between us, because you're one of my best friends and I absolutely love you. We've grown and learned a lot and I'm forever thankful you took that journey with me. <3

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SlimStrider In reply to Frost-Skyder [2019-07-25 01:59:31 +0000 UTC]

even though i got a stalker out of it
i gained a whole lot of much better friends <3

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Frost-Skyder In reply to SlimStrider [2019-07-25 02:01:32 +0000 UTC]

That person was and still is an absolute monster, but I'm thankful he no longer has a direct link into your life. You now get to flourish and be the wonderful person you are, and grow despite of him.

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civetfox [2019-07-25 01:37:47 +0000 UTC]

RE: Your new edit, BOTH of those images were of Fox/Blue.


You have consistently painted the people you attack and harass as "guilt tripping" when they get upset. This is absolute bullying and it's cruel. Nobody is ever allowed to get upset and defend themself when you and your friends/followers have decided they're guilty. It's unacceptable.

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Frost-Skyder In reply to civetfox [2019-07-25 01:44:08 +0000 UTC]

I know for a fact that they aren't, so again don't lie to my face. That's why I blocked your previous account. I'd also like to state it's against TOS of dA to block evade, and I could report you for that.

Secondly, how you behaved towards others was not warranted or acceptable whatsoever. Not once did I say people aren't allowed to defend themselves. You still are treating this as though I've dealt you a fatal blow when you are the one that keeps escalating a situation.

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civetfox In reply to Frost-Skyder [2019-07-25 01:48:00 +0000 UTC]

I posted the entire conversation I had with Nerdy-Pony, you can judge me based on that. Sure, I'm block evading. You're also breaking ToS by making dozens of hate-journals targeting users.


Keep your journals drama-free. Members are allowed to make use of their journal and status posts to discuss any argument or social conflict which they may have with another member and to express their opinion and viewpoint of that situation if it’s expressed in a reasonable fashion. DeviantArt attempts to be tolerant of these kinds of posts, but posts that pass a certain threshold, in regards to how they are written, can be removed by our staff. DeviantArt discourages members from using their posts in this fashion as doing so can cause an existing conflict or situation to escalate. Also bear in mind that any provocative material you may make concerning members whom you have added to your Blocked Users list can make it difficult for our staff to intervene in your issue, should your post appear to directly cause your situation to escalate or for those blocked members to make attempts to contact you in order to debate or counter what you have posted.


Leave your deviations out of it. Posting screenshots of the online activity of someone with whom you have an ongoing or past conflict is not allowed. DeviantArt does not allow posts of screenshots which serve as personal attacks against other members. This includes any screenshot of any online activity, and are not allowed even if identifying information, such as username and avatars, have been censored out. Submissions of this nature are most often used to attack, embarrass, or "call out" other deviants and are a common tactic in cyberbullying and other harassment campaigns and as such are prohibited entirely.


We're both breaking ToS in this matter, but you do it habitually, and think you're some kind of Great Person for doing it. And then you prevent people from ever defending themselves by blocking them and removing them from the journals that are ABOUT them. How is that okay?



EDIT TO ADD
How the fuck do you "know for a fact" that both of those pics aren't Fox/Blue? Are you crazy? They're almost identical. I got the first from LunarTea, and it was missing the fluff on the ears, the arm was weird, I wanted the eyes changed, and the hips wider. I relined it and colored it again. I put the name "Lisa" on it in one version because that's the name I was thinking of if I could purchase it (since this was made before you put the journal up and I didn't know the character was named Blue and owned by Nerdy-Pony).


Why do you want to INSIST I'm lying? I'm being as literally honest as I can be by posting the actual screencaps of my words but you want to keep reading things I didn't say.

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Frost-Skyder In reply to civetfox [2019-07-25 01:50:32 +0000 UTC]

Creating awareness journals to protect users from potential scams or thieves does not fall under "cyberbullying" or calling out someone.

The only reason I had to block your previous account was because you continued to lie to me and escalate the situation, which you are doing again. That being said, I do not think we have anything else to discuss.

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civetfox In reply to Frost-Skyder [2019-07-25 02:00:49 +0000 UTC]

Okay, thanks. I'll keep contacting support to see if I can get this taken down, and I will maintain my "bewares" about you as a bully, harasser, and stalker.

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Frost-Skyder In reply to civetfox [2019-07-25 02:06:13 +0000 UTC]

On that note, I think it's best that we cease communication, and that I block your second account, since we are at an impasse and communicating with each other isn't going to resolve anything.

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Lokiimagik In reply to civetfox [2019-07-25 01:38:43 +0000 UTC]

go away

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civetfox In reply to Lokiimagik [2019-07-25 01:43:09 +0000 UTC]

It's just unacceptable to do this to someone and deny them the chance to even defend themself. In the United States of America, someone is innocent until proven guilty and has the right to a fair trial. I know this is the lawless internet, but you don't get to just tell me to fuck off, block me, and continue to slander me.

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Lokiimagik In reply to civetfox [2019-07-25 01:44:31 +0000 UTC]

fuck off

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civetfox In reply to Lokiimagik [2019-07-25 01:54:19 +0000 UTC]

You really are the person who's in the right here, hm. That must feel good, to not have to worry about hurting someone's feelings because you've already decided it's justified.


Like, you ARE upsetting me. It's not fun to participate in this. It's not fun to be hated on in public.


I hurt Fiamango by being rude and saying I was going to use it, I hurt Nerdy-Pony by going ahead with what I wanted anyways. But I tried to apologize.

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Lokiimagik In reply to civetfox [2019-07-25 01:55:18 +0000 UTC]

No, my chill is off

I'm not in the right

I'm just fucking sick of you

I have nothing left to say to you besides FUCK OFF

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civetfox In reply to Lokiimagik [2019-07-25 01:59:41 +0000 UTC]

Thanks. You too.

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Lokiimagik In reply to civetfox [2019-07-25 02:03:42 +0000 UTC]

fuck off

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xHalesx [2019-07-25 01:35:05 +0000 UTC]

Geez, I can't believe this is still going on. This whole situation is wild and I'm really sad it ended up like this :/

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Frost-Skyder In reply to xHalesx [2019-07-25 01:38:46 +0000 UTC]

I still have even more to add. x.x Just got the screens showing how many times Nerdy said they were uncomfortable...

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xHalesx In reply to Frost-Skyder [2019-07-25 01:40:45 +0000 UTC]

Oml. It's almost like this doesn't end :/ I saw one person saying that she was unhappy with what was happening but I didn't know there was more than that. I'll saddle in for the rest of the ride and plan a gift for Nerdy ;w;

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Frost-Skyder In reply to xHalesx [2019-07-25 02:09:45 +0000 UTC]

That's super sweet of you! Just as a personal request from me though, please make sure to ask Nerdy before making art for them, since I'm sure they are a bit stressed out right now and being pinged to anything may make them worry it's something bad.

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xHalesx In reply to Frost-Skyder [2019-07-25 02:12:58 +0000 UTC]

That's a good idea, I will definitely make sure to shoot them a note asking for permission! Thanks for letting me know actually - <3

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civetfox In reply to xHalesx [2019-07-25 01:43:50 +0000 UTC]

Yes, please make them gifts, they don't deserve to be drawn into any of this. I'm afraid I may have treated them roughly when I was upset and I never wanted to do that.

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xHalesx In reply to civetfox [2019-07-25 01:53:55 +0000 UTC]

If you two figured the situation out then I'm glad that you did. I hope in the future you'll be more careful of how you word things and what you do, since this whole thing turned into a huge mess.

I will definitely plan something for her.

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civetfox In reply to xHalesx [2019-07-25 02:00:10 +0000 UTC]

I hope we did. I really really hope we worked it out and they're not mad at me any more. But they were being so evasive I don't know. I don't want them to be hurt.

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xHalesx In reply to civetfox [2019-07-25 02:08:56 +0000 UTC]

I'm glad that you weren't lying about the Discord conversation you guys had, thank you for being honest with that. Hope this has all come to an end, but I'm glad I had somewhat of an influence to be able to let you two talk things out. I didn't want to seem like someone who was trying to harass you about all this, I was just genuinely trying to help out and try to be sensible/calm about this (P.S. I saw the harassment you got/slur you got called and just want to say that I'm really sorry that happened, that was absolutely uncalled for and nasty and I would never condone someone to do that to anyone). I do encourage you to make some designs for yourself though and see what you can come up with and take this as a chance to improve in the future <3

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civetfox [2019-07-24 22:47:16 +0000 UTC]

This is bullying and targeted harassment.


ARTIST BEWARE - Frost-SkyderThe user Frost-Skyder on DeviantArt is a bully, pure and simple.
https://www.deviantart.com/frost-skyder/journal/Design-Character-Theft-806727232
This journal targets and harasses me over a misunderstanding that I have ALREADY cleared up with the design owner. Despite the design owner speaking with Frost-Skyder and asking them to take it down, they have refused.
I deactivated my deviantArt account because of the hateful comments I was getting as a result of this witch-hunt journal. I have contacted them personally asking them to take it down, and they basically laughed at me and told me to screw off.
They blocked me from commenting on this journal EXCLUSIVELY because I was defending myself, and then claimed I was harassing them and others for doing so! They took quotes out of context from my journal defending myself and us


I have posted this wherever I can.

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CandiCorn-Art In reply to civetfox [2019-07-25 01:20:03 +0000 UTC]

You need to take a break from the internet for a while

You are 26 years old for christ's sake, just take the hint you shouldn't use this design as a concept for yours and move on.

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civetfox In reply to CandiCorn-Art [2019-07-25 01:29:08 +0000 UTC]

So it's unacceptable for me to defend myself, try to reconcile with the design owner, and ultimately comply with their wishes to take it down and stop all attempts to make a similar design?

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CandiCorn-Art In reply to civetfox [2019-07-25 01:32:15 +0000 UTC]

If you want to reconcile with the owner, tell them "Nevermind, sorry!" and then DROP IT

And you're not so much defending yourself as you are throwing a literal emotional tantrum all over the internet, making yourself look ridiculous

You're an adult, take the design down, say 'my bad' and then take a break from the internet

People will literally not remember this in a week if you just chill the fuck out for a second

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civetfox In reply to CandiCorn-Art [2019-07-25 01:35:06 +0000 UTC]

I know people won't remember this in a week, that's the fucked up part. Frost-Skyder can get away with publishing a public smear journal on whoever they want, whenever they want, so all their followers can collectively decide "What an asshole! Let's NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH THEM EVER EVER EVER!" and call them a thief, a liar, an idiot, a retard, and all the other things that were said about me over the past 24 hours.


But in a week, no one will remember that, and Frost-Skyder will still be this Paragon of the Community doing SUCH GOOD WORK chasing people off of deviantArt, making them cry when they're vulnerable, and never even once attempting to speak to their targets on a human level.


I took the design down, I tried to apologize to the owner, but I will not stop defending myself from a gang of bullies who think they're doing God's Work here.


"Throwing a tantrum". What a fuckin' world we live in where NOBODY is EVER allowed to be emotional, even when they're being smeared, slandered, and deliberately misrepresented.

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JubiIee In reply to civetfox [2019-07-25 01:41:02 +0000 UTC]

Slander is a false statement against someone. Did you, or did you not say these things.  Are these screenshots of things you yourself have said.  If these were screenshots containing anything you DID NOT say, THAT is the definition of slander. False accusations and information.  This is not slander, so stop saying that.  You said and did these actions.  All of it is truth.

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civetfox In reply to JubiIee [2019-07-25 01:48:46 +0000 UTC]

I posted the screenshots of exactly what I said so people can judge me by those.

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