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EDIT: I am no longer active on this account. I'm leaving this up because it seems fairly popular, but do not expect me to be responding to any comments. Thanks!Edit- wow, over 100 favs. Thanks guys!
...is it sad that this is my most popular piece in my gallery?
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I am-
pro-meatpro- huntingpro- furpro- taxidermyBUT..
I only eat organic, free-range meat.*though that's mostly because that's all my mom buys XD I do not )support factory meat farms. I do not support poaching,over-hunting,trophy hunting, aerial hunting, And I am on the fence about trapping(depends on the type of trap) I am against Chinese fur farms, which are known to have poor standards with their animals health.----------------
My issue is NOT that people disagree with me, that I don't mind. It's that a good portion of the people arguing about it (people on BOTH sides of the argument) don't know WHAT they are talking about. This applies to almost everything, not just the animal rights stuff mentioned here.
Fur farming is a good example. People constantly rage and b*tch about fur farms, and mindlessly regurgitate the BS that PETA spreads around. Most fur farms AREN'T THAT BAD. American, Canadian and European fur farms are heavily regulated, and have good standards. Don't believe me? Think of it this way- unhealthy animals have poorer coats than healthy ones. To produce the best furs, and therefore make the best profit, fur farmers HAVE to keep their animals reasonably healthy. But people tend to ignore this, and continue to RAEG RAEG RAEG at everyone.
I'm not railing against anti-fur people. If you are able to maturely state your opinion about it, and if you know what you are talking about, then good for you!Thank you for acting intelligently and thoughtfully. But if you are just screaming "FUR IS EVIL!!!111!!! POOR ANIMULZ, THEY IZ SKINNED ALIVE!!!11" without listening to any outside input, then go do the world a favor and grow the heck up. Your opinion is YOUR opinion, my opinion is MINE. I won't jump at your throat if you don't agree with me, so please don't attack me if you don't agree, same goes for everything else here.
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tl;dr- If you don't know what you are talking about, don't act like you do. Just keep your mouth shut.
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"I am against Chinese fur farms, which are known to have poor standards with their animals health."
what's the point of keeping the animal healthy if its just gonna be killed anyway? its comparable to dog fighting to a certain extent.
i'm not a vegitarian or anything, but i've grown up hearing "if you kill an animal you don't eat, its a sin".
i'm not very religous either, but yeah... killing an animal just to wear its fur to look good is pretty digusting if you ask me.
i know most of the time, its done in the most human way as possible, but it still repulses me.
just like boy bands.
if i have a wife that asks for a fur coat, she'd be divorced in a heart beat.
i also don't like hunting for pure sport, and poaching. however hunting for population control is ok by me. (but over population most likely wouldn't have happened if we didn't hunt its prey animal, whatever it may be.)
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unhealthy animal = poor quality fur
Besides, the bones and meat is also used, not just fur. Bones go to ink and paint a believe, while meat goes to animals and some dog/other animal foods.
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I know this is old, but may I say that most fur-farms use the meat and bones as well as for the fur?
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Is taking part of an animal as a trophy (tail, head, antlers) acceptable in your view if the animal was huntered for food and the hunter plans to waste as little of the kill as possible but has no need of the parts such as head, tail or antlers depending on what the kill is.
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I agree. Don't go RAEG RAEG!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!11!!!!! when you don't even know what you're talking about. If you don't know what you're talking about, you're not going to change any minds anyway, except maybe about changing people's minds about how mature you are.
Do you know your farmer? If not, all "organic" means is they aren't fed antibiotics. No improvement in conditions. Free-range means they have access--any amount of access will do--to the outside, but it's usually just a muddy, urine-filled pool with no grass. However, if you know your farmer, good job. I applaud you. 
I am against fur; no animal should be killed for human vanity. And I am DEFINITELY against Chinese fur farms.
I am against hunting for PURE sport as well as poaching. Killing to regulate population or defend ____ is completely justified, in my eyes. c=
Killing an animal just to stuff it is also a pointless reason to kill an animal, in my eyes. However, if the animal is already dead for reasons other than "I wanted to stuff it" before you stuff it, that's fine. Waste not and all.
tl;dr: I agree, and felt, for whatever reason, that I should say my opinions on meat, hunting, fur, and taxidermy.
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Agreed, American, and Canadian fur farms are fine. But our school is raising money for the fur people in Japan. We had to watch a horrible video on it and now i wan't to spot them, but American and Canadian ones are okay (:
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As a pro-animal rights person, I find it hilarious when I explain to my comrades in arms that I support hunting and fur.
Hunting is environmentally friendlier than the supermarket by several orders of magnitude. Fur is biodegradable, unlike whatever plastic-based synthetic fibers we produce.
I would like to +Fav this, except the message, I feel, doesn't really come across until you read the Comments. A little something about the positive benefits in the deviation itself would go a long way, I think.
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Just to refute one of your points, not your ideology, which is sound, fur might be biodegradable but cotton is both biodegradable and not a dead animal.
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This is true, but cows, at least, are used to make much more than leather (and meat). I don't know about fur producers and if they also provide byproducts/food, but if they do, good for them. If they don't, well, maybe that's an avenue they should explore.
And I was only referring to synthetic furs people buy (and throw away.) You don't want to kill an animal, but you DO want fur: it just doesn't fly. Not until they get further with organic-based plastics.
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Your points are all very solid. Follow your ideals and the rest will come, good or bad.
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My personal opinion is that fur is not something you need. We have houses now....so we don't need it for warmth like we used to. What is the practical use for fur? I eat meat. Yay for hunting and eating wild game because alot of people can't afford the ludicrous prices of groceries. I would also like to say that I'm not against hunting an animal for both fur and meat but killing something for fur you don't really need isn't justified to me.
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I totally agree with you here. I don't hunt, but I've thought about it more than once.
Hunting is perfectly fine, unless you take it too far and over-hunt or hunt endangered/threatened animals, ect. Which some people do.
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Humans should wear their own skins. This isn't the neolithic period and unless you are living in subarctic climates, there is no excuse. Fur is sick, inhumane and unneccesary. Fur farmers anally and vaginally electricute the animals once their coat is suitable to be skinned off of their body. Factory farms need to go now, and things like Polyface farms should be implemented instead to benefit the land. And finally; hunting is a stupid excuse to kill. No, it does not control populations and keep animals from starving to death. If that were true, scientists would be discovering places all over the world filled with animal carcasses that are there because hunters were not their to "regulate" them. In reality, animals do perfectly fine on their own thanks to a little thing called Natural Selection. Hunting uses natural selection AGAINST an animal and basically only eliminates competition for food and mating, therefore causing overcompsensatory reproduction. The hunting industry just uses the same propoganda so that more deer are born every year for people to slaughter.
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i hunt. people say i shouldn't because it's cruel, especially with rabbits.
when i hunt, i feed my family and they don't buy farmed meat, which is less healthy
skin and fur can be sold and money can be given to charity.
extra meat can go to soup kitchens, feeding the poor.
it keeps dying traditons alive.
it actually HELPS the environment
you know why you pay for hunting lisences? that money goes to Wildlife Fish and Game.
fun fact: native peoples that ate 90% fish and aquadic mamals never got diabetes
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I'm alright with hunting, I eat meat, and I collect fur/learning to do Taxidermy.
I hate fur farms tho. I know they're regulated and all but I believe in letting the animals live wild and free. Even regulated fur farms keep the animals in small enclosures and thats what irks me. I prefer my animals fur to come from a specimen that had the chance to live wild, free, and had the chance to escape.
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I can understand that, I honestly am picky about fur farms and prefer wild caught as well, though I am not against them.
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See, I don't support fur at all. I hate fur coats and I hate these rich assface people wearing them. I am very anti-fur. (Be the coat is mink, fox, wolf, bear, deer, mouse, pig, chupracabra ect..)
Now if you killed an animal, ate it, THEN used it's fur, then I'm fine with that. But catching an animal, skinning it, and leaving it....just...just doesn't fly..
But I'm not flaming you on your stuff. Just stating my own
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i agree with you, i think that if your going to kill the animal for meat, and use everything else as well, then thats fine with me, it just pisses me off when people skin it and leave it
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I don't like fur coats simply for the fact that I don't like how they look X3 And it's hard to tell where the fur in question came from, as not all fur farms are all that well-kept.
And I also support using ALL the animal when it's killed, so I agree with you there. Waste not, want not.
Thanks for not flaming, I appreciate it
a chupracabra coat.... that must look.. interesting o.0 lol
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My ex's mother showed me a fox coat that her husband bought her and she was so happy for it. I nearly cried because seeing that hurt so much.
But the Native Americans had it right. Why can't we learn from them on a few things.
Yes, they ARE interesting looking. I have one. XDD
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Like I said, I've never been crazy about fur coats, since it's hard to tell where the fur came from, and they generally just look rather silly to me Xp
When I say I support fur, I generally mean the more taxidermy side of things, It's neat to be able to study an animal up close like that.
You have to remember that the Native Americans had a real need for most of that stuff, they couldn't just go but a fleece blanket and some string at Wal-mart like we can XD but they were strong belivers in not wasting a life. But, most hunters nowadays do use a fair bit of the animal, usually all/most of the meat, and the antlers/head skin to have taxidermy. While it may not be all we can use, it's a fair enough portion.
From the standpoint of not wasting, fur farms are pretty good about it, the whole fur is used, obviously, and the meat is actually ground up and put into dog food or used as fertilizer. And in the case of minks, which are a staple of the fur industry, their fat is used to make Mink oil, which is used for caring for leather products like shoes and baseball gloves. You'd really be surprised where the by-products of fur farms go.
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thank you I am a hunter, and I take everything from the animal, even the part that animal's won't take!
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I used to fall for "organic/free-range/we're oh-so-kind-and-good-to-the-earth" crap, too. Before I became a vegetarian, I decided "I won't stop eating meat, because I love it so much. I'll just shop responsibly."
WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT.
seriously, you need to get informed (and I don't mean that in a bitchy way, I mean seriously, I was just like you two years ago)
Read the book "Eating Animals" by Jonathan Foerr. Some of it is stomach-churning, and will make ya wanna vomit onto your bologna sandwich, but he presents some really sickening facts about how the US government doesn't give a flying SHIT about the consumers, let alone the animals who are connected with the US meat industry. The FDA is payed off to skip inspections and inquiries into "organic" claims, and meat corporations can actually buy and barter their way to coveted labels and stickers on their products.
TRULY "free-range" meats make up 1 PERCENT of meat consumed in the united states. And most of that one percent is meat hunted or raised by families living in rural areas. Those pretty little stickers on your meat packages are deliberate lies. Go read that book, and a few others by authors who have seen it all! I'm serious!
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That would be because the USDA decides the parameters for what can be sold under the organic labels. [link]
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Yeah, which is the problem with entrusting one group to BOTH ensure the food's safety, AND make sure it is sold.
TCH.
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The only jurisdiction the FDA would have is to make sure the food is edible/safe.
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True, but they aren't the only ones in power here; they are just as susceptible to uh.
CASH BRIBES.
Seriously, the food industries (or industrY, depending on how you look) is VERY powerful, the bigger it gets, and the more money it turns through its wheels.
It's kinda scary!
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Now you're veering into conspiracy theory territory.
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Ahaha, nah I'm not that type. It's just something that's been observed by those who care enough. :dhrug:
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I understand completely what you are saying, and, when we can find it, we buy DIRECTLY from the farmer. Of course that's not always available, and of course we sometimes have to settle for the "organic" stuff from Whole foods or wherever, and I knew that's not a reliable source, big industries aren't always truthful, and I realize that. We just do the best we can. I knew about most of what you are saying, of course they aren't going to be truthful, they just want to make the best profit. Honestly, real organic, free range meat isn't exactly going to be easy (or money-efficient.) to ship all around the U.S. When you think about it, it's kind of common sense.
Of course I know that people aren't always truthful,they're just going to pay attention to who has the most money they give them.Why do you think that every other box or bag in your average grocery store has "all natural" stamped on it? and I usually don't flaunt eating organic, 'cause most people either a) take it the wrong way, or b) don't give half a crap (or both Xp). I just put it up there to try and ward off some of the peta-crazies (not calling you one).
I'm not ignorant, and I know not to trust the person who can stamp the prettiest sticker on their package. Yes, I do eat meat, but my family buys from the best source available.
But, to be fair, I have heard exaggerations from the anti-meat side as well. (I am not knocking you or Foerr, I'm just talking in general.) Generally,from what I've seen,the answer is somewhere in the middle of the argument, rather than being on the extreme side of one hand.
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Yeah, I totally see where you're coming from. It's hard to sort through the shit corporations throw at us, and find what little scraps of truth there are.
OH GOD PETA. Don't even get me started on that bunch. They make all vegans/veggies look like a bunch of crazy idiots who would set your hair on fire for ordering a hamburger at a diner. 
(btw, thanks for not being that way~! 
Oh, totally. There are lies on both sides, but honestly, this guy's sources seem to hold up. Especially on the gov. statistics and fact sheets. I'm real picky on who I believe, myself. You really ought to give the book a try, get it from the library if you live near one.
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I knew you weren't a Peta person, not once did you call me a murderer/cruel/sick, etc. for eating meat. Most peta folks throw as many insults as they do pieces of BS XD
And yes, he does seem quite credible, I checked out his website. I'll keep an eye out for the book.
Thanks!
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Ah, that's good!
Oh wait:
KILLER MURDERER SLAUGHTERERRRR!!!111one!!
there.
C:
It's a good read, very interesting.
Thanks~!
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I feel the same way. It bothers me when someone hunts JUST for the empowering feeling of ending another being's life.
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i think most wolfaboos are people who grow up watching balto and shit. then got older and couldn't except the world.
so decided to lie to themselfs and convince them selfs they are somehow connected to wolves untill they actually believe it. then go on the internet to seek attention to fuel their delusion.
then from there on they either finally learn that their retarded and change.
or rejected everything thats said to them and live in a basement untill they finally become an hero.
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It's so nice to see someone with the same opinion as myself
I have a scarf made of wool and rabbit fur(it's warm, soft, cozy and pretty water resistant), but I want to know where and what(mostly to know which qualities the fur has) the fur comes from before I even consider buying or wearing it. Meat from good sources is also pretty easy to get in my country due to pretty good standards for animals in many places
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I'm a vegetarian, future vegan and an animal activist, and yet I completely respect your opinion. It's a lot easier to get along with educated people with intelligent opinions that may differ completely from mine, rather then someone who completely avoids any reasoning.
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Organics will be interesting; certainly organic vegetable production looks quite unfeasible towards feeding the world, given the large boosts in yields that commercial fertilizers give, (And the question that's always got me, are modern, extensively bred dwarf varieties of plants, that are twice as much grain as their traditional stock organic? I mean, that's some severe genetic tinkering.) but meat production in a humane manner would increase prices and decrease yields substantially, something people won't like, but may possibly teach us that we have more meat now than is good for us.
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You have a point
And now that I think about it, the amount of space required to produce enough free-range to feed a country meat would be ridiculous.
The money involved in producing it would skyrocket, and when you add in the fact that organic food has little to no preservatives, therefore a very short shelf life, It would cause a lot to be wasted if it wasn't eaten quick enough.
It's a two-sided argument, I suppose. While the food industry may not be exactly great from a moral standpoint, you really can't expect to produce enough food to feed a planet without some form of mass-production method.
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