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Well I actually picked that up from some tsudied on evolutionary biology. It's actually referred to as false agency, the idea that things not caused by entities are actually caused by entities, because those who thought that rustling grass or that lightning strike was a dangerous predator had higher survival rates than those who didn't. But the issue I have with using abnormal in the case of religion is that it also allows one to place homosexuality underneath the category of abnormal (I'm using the APA/WHO definition of abnormal psychology, which calls for psychological help for those who have mental abnormalities). It's actually why artifact still works here. It's something we don't need, and is generally harmless, but can sometimes become dangerous, and that is why when it starts causing a danger for an individual, or those around them, that's when they need to discard it.
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Well, most psychological disorders are biological in origin, it's just that they have to do purely with behavior and thought (which is why Homosexuality would be a psychological disorder and not biological, though it hasn't even been that since the Revision to the DSM3 in 1985)
No, I was just saying that if you refer to simply being religious to any degree abnormal, then homosexuality would be able to fall under it as well. You have to strictly note that it is when the individual with the condition becomes a danger to themselves or others (not in danger because of others) that it is considered a mental disorder.
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yeah. It's hard to define these things, but necessary, or else a lot of psychological disorders would have to be treated by doctors due to poor labeling.
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When religions are at peace with one another, then that's when there can be true peace.
However, we only see so many differences that it only creates more conflict. We're so caught up in what I see as a "Religious Arms Race", trying to prove which path to God, Nirvana, or the great flying spaghetti monster is right.
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I believe in god. I believe in demons. I believe in spiritual entities. Not to mention that I believe that faith and science can go hand in hand.
I also believe that faith is corrupt. I doubt the REAL god of love and justice would want people to go around and murder others just because they believe in different things or live a different life style. I believe god wants us to question him as oppose to following by blind faith. When you don't question something you believe that you 'know' it to be true. Once you believe that you stop thinking about it and when you stop thinking you stop learning and that causes corruption. Pride...one of the seven deadly sins.
ask me about it. I'll try and explain as best as I possibly can and, I hope, this conversation can be civilized.
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wow...I have a feeling that you're not taking me seriously.
correct me if I'm wrong...
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nah ... you understood well what I meant - I carefully chose that one because it's not agressive, but defensively distancing - freedom speech & thought (which I claim) means I'm not going to argue here - it's an art site, I put out a provocative poster to make ppl think, and I have great respect for people commenting here, no matter if pro or contra ... 
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ah, okay. It's a bit hard to tell emotions and intentions when you're not chatting face to face
I suppose I understand, (not to mention that i'm also a fan of Monty Python 
thanks XD
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Yeah, I tend to have alot time to think things over and shit. I find my age problematic because whenever I try to state an opinion people tend to laugh like i'm being cute or funny(especially my mother as well as a majority of my teachers).
I naturally express my opinions anyway despite the ridicule. Age tends to matter...unfortunately, I likely won't be taken seriously by most people until i'm 28 and have well paying career.
oh, and your welcome XDD
not to mention that it gets rather boring around my site page.
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nah ... age just matters when it comes to experience, I take every statement seriously, even those from my friends 4 year old child, and debate if necessary, though his parents wouldn't, of course 
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true. Still, it's not necessarily always the case (no, I am not saying that I am some sort of genius...I'm not that much of a tool). I try to keep my mind open to different opinions. Despite my beliefs I thinks it's still possible that god doesn't exist and it's all some sort of facade but, I have a hard time believing it.
on another subject...woah, four?! I started thinking like that come fourth grade(or was it third...either way...I recall writing a letter to George W. Bush on the Iraq war or something...).
Feel free to watch (*intensely dramatic tears of achievement and sparkly glory* thank you so much!
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lol@1984 (that's when I studied computer engeneering on voice recognition, tehehe)
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I'm currently reading "The God Delusion". It really goes along with your statement. The problem is religious people some times feel the need to proselytize and convert and think they are right. This breeds intolerance and hatred and war and fanatics ready to kill innocent people. Faith could be religious, nationalism, belief that aliens are coming in 2112, faith in your football team being the best...It goes against reason and fulfills a primal need for humans to tribalize and invoke a false narrative that one is better than another because of some sort of exceptionalism. This is a worry for me in the United States because as the economy crumbles and the climate changes and resources are being depleted it could lead to a rise of christian fundamentalists like the "New Apostalic Reformation (NAR)" whose "Prayer Warrior Network" backs presidential candidate Rick Perry. With that said I know many fine people who have "Faith" and also respect the rights of others and their beliefs.
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I'm guessing you're associating "Faith" purely with religion?
If that's the case then I agree
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It's very courageous of you to publish that, I've noticed there's a lot of believers in this group, I agree with you even if I don't think people will have a positive reaction to this, they will feel insulted, (personnaly I think everyone is crazy, living in a world like this, who could be sane?) but I think they should understand today with it's just the biggest, oldest and most awful scam in the world, using people weaknesses (and we almost all know_at least I hope so_ that we all have weaknesses and that nobody can avoid hardshipnesses in life_even if some of us think they can sometimes.) and I understand that it's hard to admit or even to concieve depending on what did put you into this, especially when your born into this, sometimes you can't really question fight or deny what everybody aroud you(familly, friends, country,...) say is the TRUTH from your very birth even if you can see with you own eyes and realise with your own logic that it's absolutely not the case, especially if your society, all of your world, what you see continuously(medias) reminds you what you are supposed to think(and excuse me but if it's not brainwashing, what is it ?), plus the fact that you based your personnality, your ambitions, your convictions and your pride on this, if someone tells you that all this is bullshit, it's for sure that you will not be happy with that... It's not your fault the situation you're in, but, in the end, isn't the truth the most important? especially when it shows you that you've been manipulated your whole life? Aren't the ones that profit of your credulity and fidelity to blame and to be really mad at more than those who don't understand your behaviour and criticize it out of uninformation particularly when some of them do that for a good reason, they are sad to you manipulated, and they are angry that you let yourselves diligently be used for not to say exploited by assholes that above all expectations you respect and protect while they laugh at people who try to stop them and at you.
All that to say, to the people who feel insulted to think twice about their own situation before getting angry and think that this is bullshit without really think about that sentence calmly and see what it means for the one who wrote it, think of the possibility that this message has no purpose of harming or insulting you, but intend actually to help you.
If only someday, people could realize that manipulating people is not the better way to get what you want, that it's making all parties suffer uselessly, it requires lots of efforts and that it's not often conclusive or not exactly and even if it is, with what price? how can you justify such a price to pay for, for what? money? power? fame? what that is worth when you always die in the end anyway? can't we fight for something better, something worth it this time? like for instance helping everyone around you to have a descent life, and achieve their purposes,if everyone was just, simply honest with themselves and with everybody else, if no secret existed anymore, every single problem would be easier to solve and since everybody would be working to help others and the others being honest with themselves and with the other, would feel grateful and will thank the one who helped them, helping them in return, just that is necessary for a better world HONESTY, to yourself, and to the others, and the world would be much more sane, but everyone is afraid, afraid to be blamed or to be used if they are frank, and that is why I want to thank and congratulate Geiselkirchen to tell what he/she thinks, that's so refreshing, a real breath of fresh air, and I have to say that I'm really thankful for that.
I got a bit on fire, sorry, but I'm really taking it at heart, I don't know if I sayed everything I wanted to say but don't think you're in a deadlock(remember that"everything is relative"), there is always a solution, to any problem, and even if you are absolutely certain there is not, it's just that alone, you have much less chances to find it, but if you share it, maybe someone or people together with their several different knoledge and experiences combined, will find one, or maybe more than one.
I wish everybody a good day, or night, and that you can get what you need, and what you really want in your life.
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You don't know real faith, do you? In the only things there should be faith in?
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Err, no, honestly.
I am talking of faith in God and not in a system, as your picture shows pretty impressive 
Someone said the sentence: "You aren't a Christian because you go to the church. People don't become a car by standing in a garage, either!" Summs it pretty much up 
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... ok, they're holy in india already, which is close to pakistan, so we should probably consider to propagate our new found faith through selfmade bioweapon (bull)shit terror all around the globe, 'til we're finally stopped by unmanned UAV attacks of the western holy christian alliance, in prevention of the possible spreading of EHEC
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Faith is more a result of one not questioning the source of one's beliefs.
That is something most religious people don't do, either because the tenets of their faith prohibit it, or the idea of their long-held beliefs being untrue bothers them too much.
I know most religious people hate being told things that contradict their beliefs, and react as though it is an assault on them personally. So it is best to be careful with strong statements.
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I completely agree.
But to what extent does the label of 'freedom of speech and expression' mask the intentional attacking/insulting of other people.
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I presume you know Woody Allen & Monty Python already, but go check Omid Djalili on youtube, and think about it ...
I hope that was understandable, my english vocabulary is limited
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It's interesting because faith can be considered so many different things. Imagine if this was a strictly modern world, this statement would be absolutely true. I like this and I understand the meaning, however I disagree. Good work, though.
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