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I guess I ought to do one of these things now. Here we go -1. Looney Tunes - Obviously. Like them or not, the classic Warner shorts are probably the best examples of the silly funny cartoon genre there are. Friz Freleng’s work has probably influenced me the most out of all the directors- his sense of timing is brilliant. Characters like Yosemite Sam and Sylvester always make me laugh heartily and at the end of the day, that’s what I like a funny cartoon to do apart from anything.
2. Hayley Russell - Well naturally. It IS an influence map after all. She teaches me new things all the time and I think we make a good team in all senses of the word. Her style and humour intrigued me from day one (even though she thinks her old work is sh*te) Also, I always like how she never pulls any punches as the selected image will attest to.
3. DePatie-Freleng cartoons (DFE) - natural successor from number one on this list. I love their use of simple stylised colour schemes and off-kilter layouts. A lot of the artists were original WB people but there was new blood too, which made for a trippy mix. The work of background/layout artists Hawley Pratt (don’t snigger) and Dick Ung (I said don’t snigger!) really helped my background art style. Also I admire the studio for continuing to produce theatrical cartoons well into the 70s, when most other studios had fallen away. The Freleng pantomime and timing is still very much in evidence. Favourite animators - Mad Manny Gould, Pantherly Proud Don Williams and the angular Robert Taylor (later spotted in some Garfield TV specials).
4. Cosgrove-Hall - Particularly their cartoons of the 80s and 90s. The angular beaky style of “Count Duckula” and the designs in general have always appealed to my idea of fun-looking characters. Also, it’s rare to hear cartoony types speaking like classic UK comedians. I love how in typical British comedy tradition, the scripts were often written by the voice actors themselves and I’m sure that echos of Brian Trueman and Jimmy Hibbert can be ‘heard’ in my stuff. Well, that is what I think anyway.
5. Live action entries here because I can’t deny their influence on my so-called writing style either. Great British and American examples here comprising the very spiffing “Jeeves and Wooster” (Fry & Laurie type humour in general really), “Father Ted” and “The Phil Silvers Show” (aka Sergeant Bilko) All well-crafted, all make me laugh. And this is just a whittled down version.
6. Early Hanna-Barbera - before the hippies took over and drowned us in Scooby-Doo I enjoyed almost everything they made. The deceptively simple character designs of Ed Benedict and the artists who made them move like Dick Lundy, Carlo (nimble little fingers) Vinci and George (Goofy eyes and big maws) Nicholas are top of my list of HB’s finest. With Warner storymen Warren Foster and Michael Maltese on board it was winning formula. I also like how Bill and Joe saw the advent of television as an opportunity to make cartoons rather than kill them off. The cost-cutting way of intelligently limiting the animation whilst not stinting on funny poses, expressions and using strong characters certainly helped the enduring appeal. Plus I love hats and ties.
7. Jim Davis and Brett Koth - Take a look at an early Orson’s Farm (or US Acres if you’re an American) comic. Now look at a much later one. Now look back. There was a huge difference! But on balance I prefer the wacky mad style Koth brought to the all-too-short-lived comic. However, this manic almost Tex Avery meets UPA energy and style thankfully managed to make it into the animated series for years to come afterwards. I’ve always found rustic settings just as fun to draw as urban ones. Also, both Jim and Brett know how to 'time' a comic strip, which not everyone can do well.
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JAH99 [2017-07-24 18:45:58 +0000 UTC]
Nice influences, Jim Davis was great at doing both Garfield and US Acres, same to Brett Koth for his work on US Acres, I just love how he gives Roy Rooster sharp teeth, and since you're British, did Monty Python influenced you a little bit too?
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Granitoons In reply to JAH99 [2017-07-24 18:50:18 +0000 UTC]
I do enjoy them but if they did it was subliminal. Been years since I saw anything of their stuff.
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YouHaveAShortMemory [2015-10-23 03:48:57 +0000 UTC]
Great list of influences! I especially agree with your high praise of Friz. Dare I say it, he's my favorite Warner director, too; he was a master of subtlety. (I also love Chuck Jones and Bob Clampett a lot, though, so it's kind of hard to decide sometimes.) Truth be told, I usually prefer Friz's 1940s-50s cartoons at Warners to his DePatie-Freleng output, but a lot of those cartoons are something special, too, so why complain?
And yes, Hanna-Barbera's 1950s-60s TV cartoons are a lot of fun, as well, thanks both to Ed Benedict's appealing character designs and Daws Butler's equally appealing voice acting.
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Granitoons In reply to YouHaveAShortMemory [2015-10-23 22:05:54 +0000 UTC]
Indeed so - I think Friz tends to get short shrift by rabid cartoon aficionados. His stuff makes me laugh the most and I grew up on DFE stuff as a child, so Pink Panther may very well be may be my earliest memory of enjoying cartoons.
I never really got into HB short subjects until about 15 years ago, because to my knowledge, they never showed much round here, or at least I never caught them.
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YouHaveAShortMemory In reply to Granitoons [2015-10-27 16:37:28 +0000 UTC]
Tell me about it! I don't know if he gets quite as much unfair flack as McKimson, but Friz still hasn't gotten his dues in a lot of ways, especially since the current dominant school of thought seems to be, "Avery, Clampett, and Jones pushed cartoony cartoons to whole new levels, and oh, that Fritz Freely guy might've done something, I guess, I dunno." (I'm not knocking those three directors; they deserve every bit of praise that they get, I just wish a lot of it weren't at Freleng's expense.) Fortunately, in spite of that, more people seem to be rediscovering Friz these days, which makes me a bit happier.
So you discovered the H-B shorts later in life, too, huh? Better late than never, right? I remember not liking H-B's early TV cartoons, because I used to unfairly lump them with Scooby-Doo and its trillions upon trillions of clones, but they've grown on me a lot. I think Snagglepuss is still my favorite.
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ManiacalDude [2013-08-18 15:25:19 +0000 UTC]
Pardon me for commenting again, but while I did make my statement clear about what I thought about HB, I don't get why you see their characters as "strong". To me, they were just a few gimmicks and a catchphrase or two, not very engaging at all.
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Granitoons In reply to ManiacalDude [2013-08-18 15:30:24 +0000 UTC]
Well, we all have our opinions. I just like the way they're acted/drawn as well as how they're characterised by their voice actors like Butler, Messick, Reed and Stang. Without these people the characters wouldn't be as appealing to me. It makes up for the more limited animation, which is appealing in a sense of it's own.
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ManiacalDude In reply to Granitoons [2013-08-18 16:38:22 +0000 UTC]
I see.
Yeah, the voice acting and drawing is fine, but keep in mind that most of those voices were based on actual performers that were popular at the time.
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Granitoons In reply to ManiacalDude [2013-08-18 16:39:09 +0000 UTC]
Some started that way and evolved away from them.
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ManiacalDude In reply to Granitoons [2013-08-18 18:31:41 +0000 UTC]
Oh, really? They evolved away from them? How?
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Granitoons In reply to ManiacalDude [2013-08-18 18:33:52 +0000 UTC]
For example, Yogi Bear started as an Art Carney sound-a-like but became a more distinct sepearate entity once Daws played around with the voice. Yogi had more brains too (though he always had more brains than Art anyway)
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ManiacalDude In reply to Granitoons [2013-08-19 02:30:52 +0000 UTC]
I see.
Either way, it takes more than gimmicks and a funny voice to make a character, you know. They need PERSONALITY and all that other good stuff. I don't think I ever saw much, if any at all, in terms of personality when it came to the majority of Hanna-Barbera characters. Most of them are just forgettable, especially compared to the Looney Tunes' cast.
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Granitoons In reply to ManiacalDude [2013-08-19 07:46:22 +0000 UTC]
Well, like I say, everyone has their opinons. We'll agree to disagree.
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ManiacalDude In reply to Granitoons [2013-08-20 02:20:05 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, sure, whatever you say, man.
We can at least agree on one thing, however: Hanna-Barbera's earlier stuff is much more pleasing on the eyes than something like Johnny Friggin' Test.
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Granitoons In reply to ManiacalDude [2013-08-20 10:36:51 +0000 UTC]
Anything's better that Johnny Test!
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ManiacalDude In reply to Granitoons [2013-08-20 18:14:22 +0000 UTC]
Yeah. That, and that Total Drama crap. Anything's better than either of those.
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ManiacalDude [2013-01-16 15:22:22 +0000 UTC]
Nice list of influences! I love Looney Tunes and DePatie-Freleng, but I'm not a fan of Hanna-Barbera. I love the designs and concepts, but I never found them very funny or entertaining and I find most of the stories unmemorable and the characters boring. Kudos to you if you like it, it just doesn't do that much for me. To be honest, I haven't seen any of them in a long time, but I'm just going by previous viewings, and I don't feel they leave that much of an impact.
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Granitoons In reply to ManiacalDude [2013-01-16 16:00:26 +0000 UTC]
I'm a bit like that with mnost modern cartoons, except I don't like the designs much either! And it's not just cartoons, it the media in general. Not much pricks my interest these days. I'm such a stick in the mud.
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ManiacalDude In reply to Granitoons [2013-01-16 17:20:55 +0000 UTC]
I can understand that. I do find quite a few things these days that prick my interest, but I tend to favor a lot of older cartoons and manga/anime and music and movies that kinda thing. I guess I'm what you'd call an "old soul".
And yeah, I'm not a big fan of most modern cartoon designs, either.
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overteccentricity [2012-11-09 21:09:04 +0000 UTC]
Jeeves and Wooster! Father Ted! Top Cat! The Pink Panther! Looney Tunes! Dangermouse! You, my friend, are so cool!
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Granitoons In reply to overteccentricity [2012-11-09 21:16:26 +0000 UTC]
Much obliged, ma'am.
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Granitoons In reply to jabba7 [2012-04-29 21:07:37 +0000 UTC]
That can only be a good thing.
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BluebottleFlyer [2012-04-16 22:26:21 +0000 UTC]
Quite the melting pot indeed - easy to see where it all comes from!
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TopperHay [2012-04-16 18:09:33 +0000 UTC]
What? No Grape Ape? I AM DISSAPOINT.
I see a lot of influences there that I couldn't fit on mine (or just forgot about. I remembered them as soon as I'd finished. I yam a derp.) I s'pose this evens it out. And 'fanks for including my shitey ol' artwork too.
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Granitoons In reply to TopperHay [2012-04-16 18:43:42 +0000 UTC]
Actually you're right. I'll just delete everything I've put up and replace the description with the words GRAPE APE written 10 times.
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Kurisusu-chan [2012-04-16 17:15:52 +0000 UTC]
Hahaha Great influence map! I really loved too the Hanna-Barbera cartoons and the Looney Tunes aswell as the DePatie-Freleng shows (:
It's interesting to know the influences of art in us all... I think it helps us to model our art or style somehow..
I like your art and your own style It really follows a really cartoonish style, not like anime and that stuff ^^. Recently I've been also interested in more american or more a cartoon (not anime) style. It's fun!
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Granitoons In reply to Kurisusu-chan [2012-04-16 18:02:33 +0000 UTC]
I've never really been much into anime at all. It does seem incredibly popular but it's just not my cup of tea.
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Kurisusu-chan In reply to Granitoons [2012-04-16 19:09:47 +0000 UTC]
I know . I've just watched some animes but I'm not like I love LOVE all animes. I like more the shows I used to watch like the ones I mentioned (:
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JayPriceCartoons [2012-04-16 16:33:41 +0000 UTC]
Surprised there is no Ren and Stimpy here.
I have though about making one of these myself once with Cosgrove Hall, the Beano/Dandy, Casper the Ghost and Garfield on.
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Granitoons In reply to JayPriceCartoons [2012-04-16 16:38:13 +0000 UTC]
They'd have been there too actually, but if you mix WB with HB - well you're almost there! This is also much shorter than I'd have liked.
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QwertyChris [2012-04-16 14:14:20 +0000 UTC]
Nailed all my faves in one here. Kudos for also pin-pointing the well-deserved animators from each. If only the British animators were easier to identify. I can recognise styles from CH's works, but can't put a name to 'em, sadly
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Granitoons In reply to QwertyChris [2012-04-16 15:36:09 +0000 UTC]
Oh I could name you any number of my favourite Victor moments, Danger Mouse scenes etc. but I couldn't name the animators. There seems to be less online interest and means of cataloguing the names behind the drawings of UK shows even by UK people themselves. Perhaps a mass episode watch and a bit of deduction is called for...
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QwertyChris In reply to Granitoons [2012-04-16 16:28:50 +0000 UTC]
Sounds like a plan, Dan! Been tempted of collecting particular Duckula scenes to "artefact" meself
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Granitoons In reply to QwertyChris [2012-04-16 16:45:58 +0000 UTC]
Could simply refer to 'Animator A, B, C etc' until we know better.
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