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Since the day I felt the clench of self power and control was the day I converted toPaganism, but I didn't think I'd be entering a world war. I remember it like it was
yesterday, six years ago I was sitting in church with my family, and I never liked
church, but I believed in God. It was until I felt the holy spirit slip through me
causing me to go into a fit of tears, I felt like I was being uplifted, and to any
Christian, this is a good feeling, to me, this was God's warning…….Do not put any God
before me. I got up from my seat, trying to get pass the crowd of people with their arms
raised in praise, I quivered, grew nauseated and ran for the bathroom. The green essence
of light in the bathroom was blinding to my eyes, so I went over to the sink and tried to
vomit, I began to shake as if having an anxiety attack. This feeling of torment seized me
to learn over the sink pulling out my hair screaming a holler of terror. My eyes rolled
into the back of my head, and I could hear that voice, that voice I had no trust
for…..Don't you even think about putting another God before me, do not put another savior
before Christ. It was the end of service, when an old woman walked into the bathroom, and
saw me leaning over the sink, in the reflection of the mirror I glared at her, and she
just walked by, sanctioning the holy father into my face, I bashed her out of my way,
searching for my mom, and in the car on the way home….I realized, I have never been
Christian, I was not born of that origin nor am I to stick to the system.
So why did I become Pagan? Was it the fact that I felt most comfortable with it? That
there were no ten commandments? I did what was smart, I did my research for hours, day on
end. And after two years of compulsive study to understand Paganism, the origin, and what
it means to be Pagan, I wanted to be a part of it. Slowly I began to reach out to those
across the country, met a few in my state, and surprisingly got information for those who
went to my high school (sadly, those were the shy girls who were scared of exposing their
pentacles across their collar bones). Suddenly I began to learn that there were others
out there like me, and in the end we would all enter a great circle.
The day I was anointed with oil and converted to an old tradition, was the greatest
blessing I'd felt in years. I was surrounded by women and men of all ages…a few friends
there with me. In fact, it was so beautiful that I began to cry. I was entering the realm
of the Goddess. The great mother.
It has been four years since I was anointed into the Pagan world. I've done my share of
teachings, now that I'm educated. I begin my mornings like every morning, watching the
sun come up over the Cascade mountains entering the valley is the most spiritual moment I
have. Being Pagan, I am closer to nature than I ever was.
There is….a form of turmoil every Pagan man and woman will face. To me, God's revenge is
he sets out Christians, Catholics, whatever to come out and judge me, humiliate me. It
was this year that I was on the verge of dating this amazing guy, I'd known him for a
while, but we had chemistry, so I thought. On our first date, we went to the park for a
lovely walk, and that night, I was texting him, playing the question game, what kind of
music do you like, that sort of thing. Then, he asked me if I was religious and I said
yes. He asked me, "are you Christian?" But I wanted to be honest with him, I am always
honest when it comes to dating a guy. So I told him that I was Pagan. He didn't respond
after an hour, and when he did, he explained that we couldn't date, and we could no
longer be friends. I asked why. He said, "because you're Pagan. And I'm not going to date
you, I am so disgusted with you. Good bye."
So……when you're a young woman like me, and a man says that to you, it is the worst
feeling you can feel. I cried so hard that night. In my mind I thought, what a prejudice
bastard, what a horrible person.
Now to you so called Christians out there, isn't it true that Christ hung around the
criminals and the prostitutes? Wasn't he friends with them? The Bible says to love all
around you, to love your enemy. The way of Paganism also says to love those around you,
to help those in need.
Now I want to ask all of the followers of Christ…..do you really believe that we Pagans
are under the influence of Satan? Because I will say it now, Pagan's do not believe in
Satan, because he is in the category of Christianity, he does not exist amongst us.
Paganism is the worship of Mother earth….believing that each element has an impact on
human life.
Pagan's are loving, passionate, caring people, who love to help others through natural
medicine.
And every Pagan will have their own set of battles to face.
I am lucky, to have a Mormon friend, who doesn't mind what belief I have, I am very happy
to have Christian friends who respect me, and we love to talk about it, we never argue.
So yes, I have respect for those who respect me.
But there are some of you cruel hearted people out there…willing to pin me at a stake and
judge me for what I call God. Accept it, that I am a younger generation of the anti-
Christ. Face it, I'm a warrior for the weak.
Blessed be.
"learn not the way of the heathen." Jer.10.
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Comments: 196
Dandarea [2018-09-22 14:45:43 +0000 UTC]
I am very sorry you got hurt by Christians.
And I have high respect for you. You seek peace and love and truth, which is a very good thing.
As a Christian it actually hurts my heart reading about your experience with this guy. His reaction was very hard and mean. On the other hand... yes, Jesus was with sinful people, he loved them, and he cared for them. So are we called to love and care for everyone. But God also warns us to not be yoked together with unbelievers. As example in a marriage. So this is why I can understand his decision to not go any further with you.
Please understand, Christians are not better human beings. They are just saved. And being in a relationship with God, it is a process. Many who call themselves Christians do not even care to know God. For a long time I was like this also. I made up a God which was comfortable for me, which did not challenge me in my way of living.
To experience the presence of God can be very overwhelming. Especially if we do not really know him and have no one around us who could explain or understands or believes what we went through.
I remember my first time, I was in a room full of people. Filled with the holy spirit. Crying. Screaming. Laughing. And I did not understand at all. I was just there, asking God, what is this all about? And tears where beginning to just flow out and all my Pain, my sorrows, my problems, my fears, they just started pouring out. My sister at that time was in a very difficult situation with a burnout and depression. And I was just sobbing, crying out for help and he was just there giving me strength and comfort.
God knows us. He knows our heart. He loves us. He loves you. He knows you. What I see in your experience, he knew what direction you were heading. He saw the battles over and in you. He knew you didn't really know and trust him. He gave you a warning. Because his love for you is great. He is a good father, and as a good father he warns his children about hot hotplates. 'Do not touch, you will burn yourself!' But often, we do not want to listen, touch it, and get burned.
I do not know how your parents are living out their faith, I do not know in what kind of church you went.
I grew up in a christian household. Both of my parents studied theology. But studying Theology does not make a better christian out of you. so I just saw the great difference in my parents life and what the bible was teaching. I distanced myself from God and church. After some time I made again my decision for God, but I did not want to go to church. For me it was an unnecessary institution where just a lot of fake people gather. I felt no need to read the Bible because I thought I knew already everything there is to know about the Bible. I prayed every now and then, in difficult situations asking for help and that was about all I did.
This opinion I had for many many years. And God was for me always God, some higher being in the distance which sent his son to pay for my sins, but does not really care about how I spend my life here on earth. It is thanks to probably hundreds of prayers, and Gods patience I began to change slowly.
I started to surrender, I started to read his holy word, I started to pray more, I started to worship him. I started to attend a church. And he started to transform me from the inside out. He healed my wounds. He restored my relationship with my father.
Faith in God without transformation is just dead religion. Faith in God with transformation is a relationship.
I was in a relationship with a guy who was not a believer. He was and still is a very good man and I loved him dearly, but living in this relationship, I distanced myself from God again. The relationship became a golden cage. Everything around me was going good. But inside of me an emptiness started growing. So one time my sister started to invite me again to bible studies in the church i once attended for some time (I even got baptized there) and in this study, God reached out to me. We were reading James chapter 5. Tell your sins to each other. Pray for each other. since I was little I had an addiction for pornography. I knew it was not good but I could never get rid of it for a longer period of time. So I just knew I could not leave this room before I confessed this problem not even my sister was aware of.
This was one and a half year ago. In this one and a half year God did more in my life that I could have ever thought possible.
Leaving the relationship I was in, was not just the hardest thing I ever did in my life but also the best. It was like a fog was removed from me, a thick mist, which hindered me from breathing freely. Leaving this worldly relationship made me discover the relationship God wants to have with us.
As said in the beginning, being a Christian I am by no means perfect, but I am saved, and everyone needs salvation, for all have sinned and fall short of Gods glory. (Romans 3.23)
I am not judging you or your paganism. You have your reasons and your story behind it. But knowing Christ, I can do no differently than to point at him and tell you, he loves you, he died for you, he is waiting for you. (Do you forget about his loving-kindness to you? Do you forget how long He is waiting for you? You know God is kind. He is trying to get you to be sorry for your sins and turn from them. Romans 2.4) If we could be made right with God through works, Jesus sacrifice would not have been necessary. It is not through works but by grace only I am saved. So I am not preaching 'it is enough to be a good person' but 'we need Jesus and there is no way past him'.
Do I believe Pagans are under the influence of Satan? Well, Satan does not care if you believe in him or not. You worship him as soon as you do not worship God. Jesus is pretty clear: You either serve God, or Satan. (John 8.33-47) There is no third party in this world. No neutral ground. This World is a battleground between God and Lucifer. Both are fighting for the soul of man. One to save it, the other one to destroy it.
Pagans worship Mother earth:
'They gave honor to false gods that looked like people who can die and to birds and animals and snakes. This honor belongs to God who can never die. So God let them follow the desires of their sinful hearts. They did sinful things among themselves with their bodies. They traded truth of God for a lie. They worshiped and cared for what God made instead of worshiping the God Who made it. He is the One Who is to receive honor and thanks forever.' Romans 1. 23-25
Imagine you would bring someone very dear to you a precious wonderful gift, and he/she start to praise this gift, and thank it for being with him/her and being so wonderful and completely forget to thank you for this gift. He/she even forget it was you who gave it to him/her. He/she starts to be obsessed with this gift and completely neglects the relationship with you.
If we worship the creation more than the creator, that's kind of a similar situation.
You know... what I read out of your text is:
You worship mother nature because you feel God is condemning and humiliating you. You think God hates you and wants to pour out revenge on you. Probably because you know you have sinned in his eyes and think you could never be loved by him. You turned your back on him because you are afraid of him. For he is so holy, so pure, so powerful we will always miss his standard. Probably you have also received a lot of hate from so called 'Christians'. Probably you could not fit in into this 'This is how Christians should be like and dress like and act like and this is what a Christian should or should not listen to or this is what a Christian should or should not like'-box.
Let me tell you, you are fearfully and wonderfully made by God. You are the apple of his eye. He loves you dearly even when you sin. Because a perfect father can do no different. Jesus loves you, he gave his life up for you. He did not come for those right with God, but he came for the sinners. For you! God does not want to humiliate and destroy you. He wants to restore you. He wants to heal you. He wants to heal the wounds of the abuse you have suffered. He wants to save you.
It should not be about what Christians do wrong. Some Christians are not even real Christians. Jesus warns us about them more than once. As long as someone has not a living relationship with Jesus and undergoes transformation, this someone cannot really be a Christian.
If someone claims to be a Christian but clearly continues to live in sin, no desire to change it, is only fooling himself.
For the longest time I was depending my faith on what others did to me. Instead of looking how God would treat me. Yes, I was hurt by Christians and Churches... but God never intended to hurt or destroy me. Actually every time I got hurt, he was hurt also. When acts of 'Christians' make me sad, he is sad about it also. Gods plan is not to harm us, but only for our well-being. To give us a future and a hope.
I pray one day you can see his love for you. Because...
He helps those who have a bad power over them. He gives food to the hungry. And he sets those in prison free. The Lord opens the eyes of the blind. The Lord raises up those who are broken. (Psalm 146.7-8) He heals those who have a broken heart. He heals their sorrows. (Psalm 147.3) Lift up your eyes to the heavens, look at the earth beneath; the heavens will vanish like smoke, the earth will wear out like a garment and its inhabitants die like flies. But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.(Isaiah 51.6) Call to Me, and I will answer you. And I will show you great and wonderful things which you do not know (Jeremiah 33.3) For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost (Luke 19.10) For sure he took on Himself our troubles and carried our sorrows. Yet we thought of Him as being punished and hurt by God, and made to suffer. But He was hurt for our wrong-doing. He was crushed for our sins. He was punished so we could have peace. He was beaten so we would be healed. (Isaiah 53.4-5) Give all your worries to Him because he cares for you.(1.Peter 5.7) God knows how many hairs you have on your head. Do not be afraid. You are worth more than many small birds. (Luke 12.7) For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life (John 3.16)
This will probably never be read...but if it does: God loves you. Jesus loves you. They are waiting for you to return home.
May his peace which surpasses all understanding touch you right now. God bless you.
Take care
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shykitten34 In reply to Dandarea [2023-03-05 01:49:15 +0000 UTC]
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Dandarea In reply to shykitten34 [2023-03-25 21:01:09 +0000 UTC]
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Armilus616 [2017-02-27 10:36:22 +0000 UTC]
I see that non christians dont see a problem in christians or monotheists in general accepting other believes.
In fact, thats a Concept that works with polytheists. Odin and Thor exist, why shouldnt Zeus and Osiris exist too.
But Monotheists claim that there is only God and the Devil.
And if you pray to something else, you are actually praying to the devil who is lying to you.
So anyone that isnt praying to their God but to something else is automatically a satanist to a monotheist. Be it a christian, a jew or a muslim. They cant even work with each other. Many try, but it doesnt work in the long run.
Christian People who "Dont mind your believes" either secretly think you are wrong and will burn in hell for it, and dont care if you do, or they suspect being wrong themselves.
Or, the most probable version, they hope to save you somehow.
Think of the Witch Hunts.
Thats how old celtic, germanic, roman and other religions got destroyed.
I could go into more detail. I plan to write a book about it.
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Willow-Sage773 [2016-08-22 10:12:41 +0000 UTC]
I became pagan a long time ago myself due to my affinity with the moon and sea, I always felt calm on a night when the moon was out and i was sat on the beach near my home.
In school i was always accused of worshiping Satan, This did get very frustrating when each day i would go in to class and i would always get asked if i had killed a goat today.
I have christian friends and we like to discuss the past history between the two religions.
I Happen to know a bit about the past witch hunts in England Due to Matthew Hopkins Was An Ancestor of mine.
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Aegris [2015-04-19 01:24:56 +0000 UTC]
I don't get it. If you do not believe in The Christian God, then why do you say that the Holy Spirit came over you?
And I tell you, if the roles were reversed, and Pagans made up the majority while Christians were a minority, then Pagans would certainly be dealing out the same abuse that you have suffered at the hands of Christians.
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avdsouza In reply to Aegris [2017-01-12 03:58:41 +0000 UTC]
Sooooooooo........ ?
This does mean that we can't judge christians for their mistakes because if it had been someone else would be the same result? That is bullshit.
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Coelophysis In reply to Aegris [2016-03-07 05:24:06 +0000 UTC]
They did exactly that for the first three hundred years or so.
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GodsofWarAndRock [2015-01-31 22:40:45 +0000 UTC]
(christians keep bugging me with christian talk)
me : SHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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kiku96 [2014-01-21 02:38:29 +0000 UTC]
Christian, Jew, Muslim, shaman, Zoroastrian, stone, ground, mountain, river, each has a secret way of being with the mystery, unique and not to be judged.
Not Christian or Jew or Muslim, not Hindu, Buddhist, sufi, or zen. Not any religion
or cultural system. I am not from the East or the West, not out of the ocean or up
from the ground, not natural or ethereal, not composed of elements at all. I do not exist,
am not an entity in this world or the next, did not descend from Adam or Eve or any
origin story. My place is placeless, a trace of the traceless. Neither body or soul.
I belong to the beloved, have seen the two worlds as one and that one call to and know,
first, last, outer, inner, only that breath breathing human being.
-Rumi
Everyone is so afraid of death, but the real seekers just laugh: nothing tyrannizes their hearts. What strikes the oyster shell does not damage the pearl.
hoped this helped~
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Demon-Unicron [2013-12-25 08:27:45 +0000 UTC]
I grew up in a Christian family. A Christian school. Forced into Church. Now don't get idea. Im still a teen. But I have noticed changes. I always thought there was a God in heaven who could take away my pains and sorrow. Until last year when a strange obsession with mermaids took over and I searched stuff about them. That's when I got into paganism. I read and learned. I found a very helpful video on YouTube one day. It's on Pagan symbolism in Christianity. It explains how story of this great Jesus is a Roman story based on the God Sun. It's really interesting. Here's the link to watch it. m.youtube.com#/channel/UCmy_pe…
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Clutz-O-Matic101 [2013-10-10 22:45:26 +0000 UTC]
I was raised Christian. I can't necessarily say that I agree with your beliefs, but believe me, you will not be judged by me. Many "Christians" in the world are actually lying to you and themselves. They will worship and praise God at church and do their own thing when they're not. Many will judge you for what you believe and will probably call you a sinner, but so is everyone else in the world everyday (Matthew 7:3-5; the hypocrite verse as I call it). I have been judged myself many times in the past few years because I'm what many would call a "Jesus Freak" (yes, the Bible reading, overly religious kind, lol). All of the people who called me that referred themselves as Christians, but they "don't go that far." I'm very sorry that that one guy you were dating turned you down so horribly; that's overall unacceptable, no matter what anyone believes. But I've been there too, my mom and step dad divorced because their spiritual beliefs tore them apart. Though I can't force you to do so, I hope that you one day come back to your original faith. I learned recently that God can change you more in one day than you can do yourself in three years. That's all I can say to you, but I hope that it gave you and others another perspective.
P.S. Sorry this is so much to read...For some reason, I had to write that much... XD
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bigton [2013-03-22 06:24:38 +0000 UTC]
I may not be pagan, I may not belong to any religion (Searching though ..) but I understand what you mean about church. I really do, I'm not saying it as a false hope of relation.
Really the only times I've been to church are for funerals of my family, but everytime I'd be trying to pray I'd have just this .. feeling. I know your feeling of being uplifted, when you hear that voice, "Do not put any before me. Don't you dare!" I felt it and I had a different reaction than your own, I wanted to break the pew infront of me.
It was soon after that I began to lose faith, ever so slowly, and when my ex told me she was thinking of wicca and paganism I don't know why I got angry, I did though.
I suppose because I listened to the preachers and peer pressure that I got angry.
Anyway, I know how you feel and am glad you have had a good life being a pagan, I am dearly sorry that you get so many notes going against what you believe, it makes no sense to me as to why anyone would do such a thing ...
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sampea In reply to bigton [2013-07-20 23:04:11 +0000 UTC]
I left Christiannity for many reasons:
1. They consider women as a lesser being, or at least not as good as men.
2. They hate homosexuals.
3. They hate wtichcraft and yoga
4. They see sex and desire as something disgusting and unholy.
Their rules are numerous and hard to apply all the time.
The third reason was my main reason I quit.
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PeteSeeger In reply to sampea [2017-09-15 00:24:45 +0000 UTC]
None of those are even remotely true and demonstrate that you were never a true Christian, just someone who never bothered to understand the label they affixed themselves with and arbitrarily affixed another because of the same ignorance.
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sampea In reply to PeteSeeger [2017-09-15 21:34:28 +0000 UTC]
Look, this is a very old comment.
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FakerFakerLuvPower [2012-08-05 22:34:54 +0000 UTC]
I do have Pagan friends, though most of my family is christian and part of it is Jehova's Witness. I do study paganism and I see a huge similarity with it and ancient Native American religons.
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JesusIsABawse [2012-07-25 21:06:26 +0000 UTC]
Paganism and Christianity... is impossible. Completely incompattable
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Linklet [2012-07-10 10:28:46 +0000 UTC]
[link] I really think all Pagans will like this song.
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Linklet In reply to HyperactiveTemplar [2012-07-10 20:19:02 +0000 UTC]
I have never talked to another Pagan before of like-minded beliefs.. I guess I was just too busy arguing with Atheists and Christians, since I used to be of both mindsets. I was a very loving Christian, however, but I was also very afraid (as most Christians are afraid, the religion is built on a foundation of fear.)
What made me really start turning away from Christianity was honestly reading the bible. I was just horrified at how cruel the Christian God was.. it was just ridiculous. Lot's wife turned back to look at the city and she turned into a pillar of salt? One Christian told me she got exactly what she deserved. I just don't feel that way, so call me a sinner.
So then I got into astrology, I read the stars and do astrology readings for people and everything. My best friend is Wiccan and she does the witch-craft practices. I taught her some of the things I know of astrology and she taught me some of her traditions, like sitting in front of a fire and putting your intentions into nature, and thanking Mother Gaia for everything she's provided.
I'd be very interested to hear your beliefs, every Pagan is the same, but also different.
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Kokenta In reply to Linklet [2012-10-18 20:08:04 +0000 UTC]
what kind of witch-craft does she do? and please don't be affended but deos it actually work?(the witch-craft practices) i have/had a wiccan friend (we don't really speak much since she moved) but i've never seen one done
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HyperactiveTemplar In reply to Linklet [2012-07-10 23:29:54 +0000 UTC]
If you really want to know my own personal beliefs, not me
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Haineko14 [2012-07-06 18:31:00 +0000 UTC]
I'm catholic and I don't think pagans are evil. Why would I send someone to hell when I myself don't even have faith?
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Jerrac [2012-07-06 01:00:44 +0000 UTC]
So, as I was reading the comments, I noticed the main theme seemed to be finding a religion that feels good, and that everyone should just accept everyone else's religion. This strikes me as kinda dangerous. Shouldn't it be about finding the truth? If Christians are right, you're going to suffer for eternity in Hell by not following Christ. If Muslims are right, the USA deserves to be destroyed. If some others are right, we'd better work hard if we don't want to come back as a flea. If atheists are right, and there is no afterlife, then why bother doing anything for anyone other than yourself?
Figuring out the truth to all that seems incredibly important to me. And you can't just say that all religions are the truth. After all, Christianity says that Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the Father but through Him. (paraphrased..) (And the reason that means everyone who doesn't follow Jesus goes to hell, is that hell is defined as not being with God.) So, if all religions are the truth, then Christianity is the truth, and it says only Christianity is the truth. A bit of a logic problem there.
I am a Christian. I follow Jesus Christ to the best of my ability. My God is so much greater, so powerful, so amazing, and loves me so much that I really can't describe Him properly. I don't think there's words in any language that can even come close to how wonderful He is. I've looked at other religions and faiths, none of them are true, none even come close to what I have in Christ. In my search for the truth, I have found Christ.
There's so much I could say in response to the original post, and all the comments, but I think I'll leave it with this. God loves you so much He created you with the ability to turn on Him. He created you knowing that He would have to be tortured to death, on a Roman cross, in order for us to come to Him, and have the loving relationship with Him that He created us to have. That is the truth, and all we have to do to be with Him, is accept His sacrifice, admit we need Him, and seek to live as He would.
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Linklet In reply to Jerrac [2012-07-10 10:25:43 +0000 UTC]
This is the black and white mindset that most Christians seem to possess. "If Muslims are right, the USA deserves to be destroyed."
Like, are you actually kidding me? There is not one religion more correct than another. Yes, the bible says that Christianity is the right religion, but the Islamic religion says that anyone who believes Jesus Christ is Lord will burn in Hell.
You should accept the fact that the real, Living Jesus can be reached from within you, inside your heart.. the Bible is a False Idol, it is a written doctrine influenced by mankind. Only 16% of the words spoken by Jesus were left untouched by the people who wrote the bible. Jesus never truly believed in Hell, nor was he so egocentric or a maniac. When he spoke, "I am the way, the truth, and the life," he was speaking from the Christ.. and the Christ can be found within anyone and everyone, for it is the pure, untouched spirit that is always with God and is within everything that exists. When you find the Christ, you also become the Way, the Truth, and the Life, for you have found Unity with God.
Jesus was a man who had found unity with God, because it was his mission on Earth, his karmic debt at that time. Anyone and everyone can also find this same Christ consciousness within them. By seeing the beam in their own eye and seeing beyond the black and white shades to see everything is truly Gray. And all religions lead to the same Path. You just need to find the "perfect love that caseth out all fear".
For if Jesus truly gave us everything we needed to know, why did he say, "I have yet many things to teach you, yet ye cannot bear them now." It also says, "To the masses he taught them in parables, but to his disciples, he expounded everything." Which means that Jesus still has many things to teach us, he didn't give us everything 2,000 years ago because humanity was not ready for his teachings at that time.
And if we are not equal to Jesus, why did he state this: "Those who believe on me (The Christ within) and the things I do shall also do them, and even greater things shall they do."
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HyperactiveTemplar In reply to Jerrac [2012-07-06 17:48:14 +0000 UTC]
It's nice your christian, but don't say God loves me okay? That kinda just makes me want to vomit, i'm not trying to be a jerk but that kinda ticks me off when i get these kind of comments saying "Oh god loves you, he did all this for you." It's good you have a strong faith, but i already know my soul isn't going to hell and it's not going to heaven, it stays here.
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Jerrac In reply to HyperactiveTemplar [2012-07-10 01:46:37 +0000 UTC]
Ah, sorry for this sounding so sarcastic, it's really hard to get tone across on the internet. But I'd assumed, from the content of the opening posts and the comments, that it was fine for me to share my faith the same way you and the various people commenting were sharing their's. If you had said, in a comment or in the opening post, that you didn't want to hear about others faith, I would not have posted.
That said, I have to ask why my saying that God loves you ticks you off so much? If you consider what I've said to be false, then I would think you'd consider me a lunatic not worth even replying to. Like if a person tried to sell you an amulet that would let you breath dirt if you jump up and down on one foot a million times while singing the Barney theme song. You wouldn't get ticked off, you'd just look at them like they were crazy and walk away, feeling somewhat annoyed, and maybe a bit sad at their madness.
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HyperactiveTemplar In reply to Jerrac [2012-07-10 19:24:33 +0000 UTC]
I get it, but i want ideas here, explaination. If you had read some of the personal notes i've recieved your mind would be blown away.
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Linklet In reply to Jerrac [2012-07-10 10:19:13 +0000 UTC]
Why not back off, it's very clear that you're trying to impose your domineering religion and shove it down her throat. Yes, you used a lot of tact, and also used that generic "God loves you very, very much.. which is why He has a nice, comfortable place for you in the fiery pits of Hell for believing what I don't want you to."
I was a Christian myself at one point, but you know what.. there are gospels from the bible that have been removed, look up one of them.. it's called the Gospel of Mary Magdalene, and it was written the exact same time Matthew, John, Peter, etc. were all written. It was removed because it was seen as threatening by the Catholic Church, because they didn't like the idea of a woman being closer to Jesus and being a more personal servant after his death than the other disciples. If you believe these gospels are Satanic and cannot be trusted, then you can't trust any part of the bible.. because all of it has been tainted by human hands and has been affected one way or another.
So those are my words, hopefully you won't get ticked off and will follow your own advice. I'm crazy, walk away, feel somewhat annoyed, and then pray for me. But when you do pray for me I know you are only praying to feel holier than me and out of your own self-righteousness. In the back of your mind you'll be wishing eternal damnation upon me.
I'll pray for you instead.
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Levitating-Narwhal [2012-06-29 00:25:45 +0000 UTC]
I have been exploring the concept of paganism but have no idea what the beliefs are. Would you be so kind as to give me an idea? I don't trust Wikipedea.......
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Linklet In reply to Levitating-Narwhal [2012-07-10 10:05:54 +0000 UTC]
Paganism is a very wide-open belief system, it consists of many different sects and occults that fall under the same category..
But basically, depending on which branch of Paganism you're referring to, there is the Polytheistic form of Paganism which holds the concept that there are many Gods and Goddesses that have dominion over the stars, the elements, life, death, etc., etc. Or there is the form of Paganism that believes there is a Father-Mother God, the Father who is Spirit and the Mother who is Matter and the Earth (Mother Gaia and Father Uranus, although there are many, many different names that all mean the same ones). Or you can get into the Wiccan branch of Paganism that suggests there is only One God, and she is the Mother Goddess that is represented by the waxing, waning moon. The Maiden, the Mother, and the Crone Goddess known as Hecate (she's a trinity, much like the Christian God has His trinity).
In the bible it's mentioned that there are Three Marys, which is strange since there are three aspects to Hecate. The Mother (Mother Mary), The Maiden (Possibly Mary Magdalene) and the Crone (Possibly the 'Other Mary' or 'Third Mary' as she is referred to).
All in all, I believe all religions and belief systems have truth, but some things have been tainted and misinterpreted. I believe Jesus of Nazareth was a true man who found the Christ within him, but I also believe there is a Father/Mother God, as well as all kinds of Gods and Goddesses that serve the Father and the Mother. I used to be a Christian myself, I was also an Atheist.. but then Astrology just called out to me, and from there I found the roots of Astrology, as well as Christianity, in the old, ancient Pagan religions.
Sorry for that spam of text, I just felt like giving you a bunch of info as well as a bit of background from me. I loved this poem, as well... it's so deep, so true.. the struggle will always be there.
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Levitating-Narwhal In reply to Linklet [2012-07-10 15:37:39 +0000 UTC]
thanks. I really needed sone info on that. I'm thinking about converting to paganism, but not until i'm sure that I agrree and am comfortable with it.
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Linklet In reply to Levitating-Narwhal [2012-07-10 20:21:52 +0000 UTC]
You should take a look at astrology.. you know, Aries, Taurus, Gemini, that stuff.. that's what really got me into Paganism.. the astrological signs have evidence for being correct.. like.. imagine a religion that actually had real proof and could prove itself correct to you... Astrology did just that for me.
I'm a Sun sign and Moon sign Aquarius, by the way.
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HyperactiveTemplar In reply to Levitating-Narwhal [2012-06-29 02:06:19 +0000 UTC]
It really is no different than native american culture, but there are different kinds, Norse Pagan, Roman Pagan, celtic pagan, and so on. Pagan's believe in more than one god, it doens't focus on just one. We don't have ten commandments but we have what's called the three fold law, or something like karma, if you do something bad, something bad will happen to you. We're considered to be, some what like healers, or earthy type of people.
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Levitating-Narwhal In reply to HyperactiveTemplar [2012-06-29 03:50:24 +0000 UTC]
Thanks! Do you know any websites or books that go into more detail? It defidentally sounds interesting.
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BloodDrenchedMoon [2012-06-13 06:43:55 +0000 UTC]
I was raised in a Catholic home, but I never felt Catholic... Mormons and Witnesses come to me to give me answers but all they give me is more questions. I've tried to put effort into Catholicism like my mother but never felt the need. Is something wrong with me I wonder? The thing I fear most is being shunned by my family, it would destroy the last reason I have for living but I wan't to know what else is there... all I can do right now is put my tough look on some more...
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HyperactiveTemplar In reply to BloodDrenchedMoon [2012-06-13 16:09:30 +0000 UTC]
There is nothing wrong with you. I've dealt with the same thing. Yeah being shunned by your famil is a bummer, and when they lash out or argue with you and even when they make fun of you, it can lower you down, but i've learned, it's just like the bully at school, if you let your strength and power down, they will win. When you stay true to yourself and when you know that there is something you want to look into, or there's something you want to believe in, don't ever be afraid to stand up for it. Because fighting for something you believe in is true self power. And self power, is the best.
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BloodDrenchedMoon In reply to HyperactiveTemplar [2012-06-22 09:39:20 +0000 UTC]
Its not like some of my family isn't understanding, they don't lash out without reason... but there is always that small possibility a lingering doubt that I have... I just ran from my problems anyways, still running in fact. Maybe someday I'll have an iota of your strength, just not now. I never got the chance to thank you though, for sharing with us your thoughts. Thank you.
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Isa-Lacrymosa [2012-06-13 06:32:16 +0000 UTC]
Very touching anecdote. I can understand what you've gone through, not sympathize or even completely feel what you feel, but I'm Catholic and I don't judge others of their religious beliefs. If anything, it makes me want to know more about their religion. I didn't know all these things about paganism but it has always intrigued me greatly. I love being a free range Catholic (I believe in the traditional Romani Tarot card readings, dream interpretations, alchemy, seers' powers, the energy that comes from the earth, etc.) and I love being so. Anyone can judge me for being this way, say that my ways are evil, but Tarot cards, dream interpretations, and my (very weak lol) seer powers let me understand what God wants me to be. It makes the path easier to see through the spiritually blurry, tunnel-visioned sight I have of my Destiny, my Fate, what I want and what God wants. I can't think of having it any other way...
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HyperactiveTemplar In reply to Isa-Lacrymosa [2012-06-13 16:07:03 +0000 UTC]
Thank you for your comment. I'm glad you don't judge others, I've sometimes found that Catholics are a litte more understanding...just from my expirences. Again thanks for commenting
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Quaektem [2012-06-12 21:11:03 +0000 UTC]
As a fellow traveler of the same path (from Christianity to Paganism to Wicca) I thank you for sharing your experiences so clearly. It helps those new to the path to know that it is not easy, but it is very rewarding and that because we all face difficulties walking it, that they are not alone.
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