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Published: 2014-10-19 23:56:37 +0000 UTC; Views: 1332; Favourites: 5; Downloads: 0
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From left to right: Liz, Bicho, and Katrina.I've seen so many emotional anti-captivity posters, drawing, photo-manipulations, etc. I'm not really fond of them, nor do I feel 100% comfortable with them. But I couldn't resist making this!
These animals would have disappeared.
Liz is a Red Wolf. Red wolves would have gone extinct were it not for captive breeding efforts.
Bicho is a Gray Wolf. Gray wolves were nearly eradicated in America, until captive breeding efforts were made. They now have a huge population in North America, and have been taken off of the Endangered list. Captive wolves continue to educate the public on the true nature of wolves and the importance of conserving them.
Katrina is a Black-Footed Ferret. Black-footed ferrets are suffering from disease and habitat loss, like so many other animals in today's world. They are being bred in captivity, and hopefully will be able to recover.
Without zoos, these three species and countless others would be extinct!
So before you go on a rant about how ALL captivity is 5,000,000,000% evil, think about the species that you would destroy if you had it your way.
If you can't leave a mature, well-educated comment, don't comment at all! This is your only warning.
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Glad that you agree! Zoos need as many supporters as they can get.
Wow, that sounds like an incredible effort - although the fact that is necessary is sad. Hopefully their conservation and education work will help help some of their EinW and Endangered species.
That is sad about the rhino! So unfortunate that the release wasn't successful. ):
Yep, that's exactly what they do. That's one of the biggest reasons why I support zoos so strongly.
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Nuuuuuu!!!!11 Al zoos r bad, how cud u support dem? Dey r crool!!!!111111
Don't worry I'm only kidding XD I think zoos are vital for conservation purposes. Other animals that would have died out if it were not for zoos is the Prezewalski's horse and Californian Condor. I think captivity is fine so long as the animals have plenty of space to roam around and have access to sufficient enrichment resources so they don't get bored. A lot of animal rights activists love to act as though the wild is some kind of paradise for animals when really it's not as simple as that. Lot's of animals enjoy living in a secure environment where they don't have to worry about survival.
The only animals I don't support in captivity are whales because unlike a lot of animals, their lives drastically decrease in captivity. They are also highly sociable creatures that live in unique family groups, so when there is a mixture of whales of different languages living together, it is a disaster waiting to happen. I also don't support institutions that allow guests to pet tiger cubs, specifically roadside zoos, because they often get the wild instinct beaten out of them and are doomed for a life of misery.
But yeah I don't agree that captivity is 100% evil. Not everyone can afford to see certain animals in the wild, so zoos can be a great place to educate the public about conservation and ecosystems. Many of those who are completely against zoos are uneducated and don't bother to look at the other side of the coin.
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Gawd, I love that rampant ARA mock-speech. I see that and know that I've found an awesome person. :'3
I can speak fluent idiotic ARA, actually. A necessary skill since so many bombard me with BS on a near-daily basis.
Yup yup yup, exactly. AZA-accredited facilities have everything that animals need to be happy, and they do great conservation work, so it kind of baffles me when so many people hate them.
If you've seen my profile, you may have seen that I do support killer whales in human care. You have some valid, but a bit misinformed, concerns here. First off I want to point out that most cetaceans do live longer in captivity. Bottlenose dolphins live, on average, twice as long as their wild counterparts when in human care. Now orcas are where it seems a bit worse. But that's mainly do to the fact that orca captivity is extremely young. We haven't had them in captivity very long, and when we started no one knew how to keep them alive. Dozens of whales died before we had good husbandry, which is a big reason why the captive (or even just SW) average is down. But husbandry has greatly improved since then. A whale hasn't died at SeaWorld since 2011, and they have quite a few whes either within or nearly to the average wild lifespan. Corky is 50, Katina and Kasatka are nearing 40, Tilikum and Ulises are over 30...and they're still going strong. I really believe that these guys will live to be quite old, as well as the current generation of captive-breds. If animals like Makani, Amaya, Trua, Makaio, Nakai, etc don't live to be at least within the average wild lifespan...I'll eat my hat. Especially since government research and simple math tell us that the average life expectancy for captive-bred whales at SW is 46 (right on par with the average lifespan for wild females), and that wild and captive-bred SW whales have the same annual survival rate.
As for the bit about social structure...first, there are plenty of animals just as social as orcas. Elephants, parrots, corvids, other cetaceans, all have just as strong social bonds as orcas do. Plenty of animals have unique social structures that are altered in captivity. No one seems to mind that a pet parrot doesn't live with 100s of other birds, but if an orca doesn't live in a 100% natural social structure it's abusive? I have worked with tons of animals whose unique social structure is altered in captivity - they're totally fine. SeaWorld's orcas have socially adapted to their captive environment. Nor do the whes at SW speak different languages. The vast, VAST majority of SeaWorld's orcas are Icelandic. They are part of the same community and share the same dialect. And the very few that aren't Icelandic have been proven by research to have learned their tankmates' vocal repertoire. Corky is a Northern Resident, but she makes the Kasatka family's Icelandic calls with ease. They can totally adapt to being able to communicate with each other.
Yeah, there are definitely some bad roadside zoos.
Agreed!
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X3 Yeah a lot of animal rights activists act really childishly around those who disagree with them. I think learning idiotic ARA language is a necessity nowadays to show how rabid they can really be.
Yep, most of the zoos I went to had plenty of facilities for the animals to enjoy and most of them seemed happy about their surroundings. I don't get why people protest them when really they could be campaigning to save endangered species in the wild.
I read an article which stated that SeaWorld was doubling the size of it's tanks but I still think it has a long way to go. I know that SeaWorld's wild-caught whales are living longer than they used to but I find it pretty disturbing that so many orcas born at SeaWorld died at a young age, same thing with the dolphins. I'd recommend that you look up Granny the Killer Whale, researchers believe that she is currently 103 years old. SeaWorld has claimed in the past that orcas live a much shorter life, as well as the myth that dorsal collapse in the wild is common.
I see what you mean but I have seen footage in which the orcas have obviously got into fights with each other as they are bleeding quite badly. There was also the incident in which a female killer whale attacked another, causing it to bleed to death. While they may be adjusting to life in captivity, there are some such as Tilikum who must be pretty lonely, yes he is paired with his grandson but orcas should live in much larger groups in the wild.
Just because I'm personally against SeaWorld doesn't mean I'm going to stop people going or attack those who do support it. Frankly I think the way many protesters are handling the situation is completely moronic. I mean running around naked holding up cards that say things like 'Free Tilly!' isn't going to shut the parks down. It is most likely that the orcas cannot be freed into the wild. The best alternative I can come with is large sea pens which will at least give the animals a lot more space to swim around in. Also I don't like how so many anti-SeaWorld campaigns are associated with PETA, the same organisation that murders thousands of adoptable pets every year, I don't want to be associated with hypocrites thank you very much.
I'd recommend that you at least watch 'A Fall from Freedom', I'm not saying that you have to follow it's views but it's worth checking out. While I can't call Blackfish 'propaganda', I think this documentary is better because it doesn't seem pro-PETA as Blackfish does. It also interviews those from both sides so I find it slightly more reliable, it's not so pro-liberation as it is pro reforming and it gives a more complete history about marine parks. Here is the YouTube link if you are interested: www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7kQYj…
I agree, they don't appear so much in my country but I find it disgraceful that they are still commonplace in more developed countries such as the U.S.A. You'd think such an outdated practise as running roadside zoos would be banned by now.
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Yes. Dear lawd the ARA on Twitter...ugh.
My thoughts exactly. Instead of actually helping animals, they protest organizations that do massive conservation work because...logic?
Doubling their exhibits is a great move. Those whales are going to have plenty of space.
Plenty of animals died when their captivity was new. That argument is like saying "Well we USED to keep big cats in tiny cages, without any enrichment, and tons of them died...so we can't keep them in captivity NOW." It doesn't make sense. Pet birds used to die really young as well, as did plenty of animals. Really doesn't have much to do with current welfare, which is why the longevity argument is a bit misleading no matter what. The last death was 2011, so obviously we aren't getting death rates for our most recent husbandry. Keep in mind that SW is an AZA-accredited facility; they have the EXACT same standards & practices at other zoological facilities, and the experts at the AZA believe that their animals are thriving. SeaWorld Orlando just had their accreditation renewed this year.
I actually wrote something about why comparing Granny to SW whales is unfair: fav.me/d839uyr
100 is hardly the average. The average is 31 for males and 46 for females. (www.deviantart.com/users/outgo…) This is definitely in line with what SW says today, in fact I have seen them cite this very research - which is the most recent longevity study that we have. Bringing up past mistakes is once again not very relevant. And the dorsal fin stuff is a manipulation of a very real scientific study. The scientist who made it has lied several times, so she has no room to complain.
Raking may look bad to us, but cetaceans have remarkably thick skin and the wounds heal very quickly. Rake marks are superficial - and happen a lot in the wild. Here are just a few pictures of wild orcas with rake marks. www.deviantart.com/users/outgo… They are hardly a result of captivity. Animals usually only get raked if they step out of line - when I was at SWO the only whales with rakes were the youngsters, who often push their boundaries and have to be disciplined. Plenty of animals fight for dominance, it's just that cetaceans have thick skin so they happen to take each other.
You're referring to the incident between Kandu V and Corky II. Neither killed the other. Kandu tried to ram Corky and hit either Corky or the wall (this detail is unclear) very hard and severed an artery in her own jaw. This was a freak accident that happened many years ago and nothing like it has happened since.
The "Tilikum is lonely" argument doesn't make sense either. If Tilly being with only one other male (which may be perfectly natural for Icelandics as far as we know - transient males, at least, often live along or with only one or two other whales) is wrong, then isn't a parrot being kept with only a few companions wrong? Or even no companions of the same species - only an owner? Wild parrots live in flocks with hundreds if not thousands of individuals. So is parrot ownership/having them in zoos wrong? I say no, because the parrots I work with are clearly thriving...despite their smaller-than-natural social structure. Every animal in captivity has an unnatural social structure.
Agreed. I get attacked on a daily basis for being pro-SeaWorld...and most of them are very uneducated. Not too fun!
Even sea pens could be harmful. Many of SW's orcas have drilled teeth, leaving them susceptible to infection; the Henry ocean water is basically a death sentence for them. Not to mention other hazards, like rocks. An orca named Nami died after ingesting 140 pounds of rocks, I think it was. Not really the best option.
Yup yup already seen that a few times. It mostly talks about wild captures. And it straight-up lied about the Indianapolis Zoo and Tilikum's behavior. I haven't fact-checked everything in it, but I'm very suspicious of that film. The best anti-cap thing I know of is the book Death at SeaWorld. Very informative and well-sourced.
Yeah, for sure. I mean plenty of unaccredited animal facilities are perfectly fine, but some roadside zoos are pretty bad. Not all of them like HSUS tries to convince people, but some for sure. Man I hate HSUS. They're almost as bad as PETA.
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They only focus on the whales, apes, and elephants for a reason, because if people think they are intelligent and similar to us they will start feeling bad for them. The anti caps know this and this is why you only ever hear them shouting free the whales, etc. I find this extremely shifty because they know if they can free one animal they can free them all, so they play with peoples emotions and cause them to see the animals predicament in a darker light when in actuality they are usually wonderfully cared for and happy. These activists actually scare me, not in the way you would think though, they scare me because they have absolutely no regard for human or animal life. These people send death threats, terrorize, and bully people....and we have people of all ages looking up to these people...something is wrong here. Its time to wake up
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Once again, you completely hit the nail on the head.
Antis always act like we're the awful, evil people...but I've seen a lot more antis behave horribly than I have pros. Not that pro-caps are never bad, but...yeah.
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Agreed, I have seen one or two pro caps acting bad towards antis and that is usually because they are being threatened. Antis ALWAYS act bad towards anyone who supports SeaWorld, except for like one or two people i have dealt with.
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Here on dA I've seen more reasonable anti-caps, but you go to Tumblr or Twitter and it all goes to hell.
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Yeah, but they can be pretty vicious on facebook too. I have a little animal rights group on there and they have bombarded my page with nine kinds of hate, and then they started taking screenshots of things i was posting and putting them all over twitter. They are so chaotic i only have like 34 likes on that page and the still consider it a threat, which i guess should make me feel good but it gets aggravating after awhile.
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Yeah, I know what you mean.
Hey, what's your name on Twitter BTW?
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@MorganDippity I should be following you already XD
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Alright, I'll make sure to go follow you today.
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I agree with this. 
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Thank you!
Yes, absolutely.
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because we r illuminati >:^D nyahahahahaaaaaa
well educated my ass! (:< *runs away*
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Caaaammmeeehhh don't troll my important stuff!
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Why on earth would people think captivity is evil? Most animals live longer that way.
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Well, in 89% of the cases I've seen, they think captivity is evil BECAUSE THEY'RE MORONS.
Well, you see, a short, painful, difficult life in the wild is OBVIOUSLY like 5,000,000,000% better than a long, peaceful, easy life in captivity. BECAUSE LOGIC. BECAUSE FREEDOM.
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I don't even understand how some people think. I really don't. 
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These are animals not humans after all.
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Oh gawd, sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many people say "dolphins/apes/elephants can't b in captivitee bcuz deyr az smurt az hoominz!!1" NO. THEY. AREN'T.
And a lot of people say that animals are exactly the same as humans and their lives are just as valuable and imprtant and worthy of freedom as ours.
I do hope they don't swat at mosquitos....
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My thoughts exactly. Last time I stated this opinion I got told that I believe animals are just property. 
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I KNOW. That's what people say to me, or they say "U DON RELY LUV AMINALZ BCUZ U INPWIZON DEM!!!!!!11"
Ehm, sorry, I've kinda dedicated my life to them and worked my ass off for them so....STFU.
I adore animals, but working with them in zoos has showed me that to support zoos is to support animals. Zoos aren't bad, they do GREAT things and the good ones take really good care of their animals. If that's wrong, I don't want to be right.
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Most of this argument was brought up when I stated that I don't believe most animals have souls. Maybe that makes me a hater, but eh.
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Oh. Duh 
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Do you ever wonder about after death much?
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Not a whole lot. I'm a Christian, so I'm like "yay, heaven" -moves on-
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I know you are, but that's not what I meant. I've heard a lot about just because you say you are a christian doesn't mean that you automatically go to heaven. That's what people would like to think, but it's not true. You can appear to be a christian, but if you don't have an actually relation with Jesus then you still could go to hell. It's scary.
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Yeah, I think about tha sometimes. :/ Like I do stuff that I'm not supposed to which worries me a bit.
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Luckily it's not works that gets you into heaven
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Very true! Grace alone, Faith alone baby.
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The irony here because it was originally about extinction and here we are at living forever.
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Life works in mysterious ways. XD
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One moment you're talking about one thing and the next the other.
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