Fluffuu In reply to ??? [2013-02-04 22:17:32 +0000 UTC]

^^ Thanks for the info, because I though it expired on that date and started to panick, so really, it mean alot.

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ikazon In reply to Fluffuu [2013-02-04 22:47:49 +0000 UTC]

Quite alright, glad to be of help!

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shoily In reply to ??? [2013-01-30 20:57:12 +0000 UTC]

This is really usefule!! ; vvv ; Thank you dA!

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GoldenEmotions In reply to shoily [2013-02-03 11:43:32 +0000 UTC]

Is it really usefull that DA takes 20% of your earnings? :/

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shoily In reply to GoldenEmotions [2013-02-04 16:42:43 +0000 UTC]

You could just price it so you can make up for it....like instead of thinking 80 is 1 dollar, you can think 100 is 1 dollar! And at least points can be used usefully now.... Believe me when I say this is useful... every other change dA has made is really ticking me off, like the submit page

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GoldenEmotions In reply to shoily [2013-02-04 17:40:17 +0000 UTC]

Oh well, I never ment to say the idea is bad. I simply disagree with the fee. It's unneccesary, and the positive about journals is that you can share them, for example by uploading them to groups. When it comes to the widget you need to say 'look at my page to find the widget to see what I offer'. And that is a big minus, because people want to get all they need to know with the smallest amount of time. So I think there still are some reasons against this widget. But I confess, this feature is a lot less bad than the others DA recently added. : )

But let's not start complaining about that horrible upload page. DA doesn't give a shit about their user, and they won't change it back anyway. >.>

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gillianivyart In reply to ??? [2013-01-21 10:06:47 +0000 UTC]

Not sure that this would classify as a bug report, but I wanted to give a little feedback. So far, I have had two commissions via this tool. It has been really handy as I have never updated my commissions journal properly and my profile is a jumble to navigate looking for my commissions. I think it looks neat and clean, plus I can use the same widget codes to spruce it up a bit.

So, everything is going fairly smoothly. I am still waiting for the first commission to clear. Here is my issue, I want to be able to post updates, WIPs and receive feedback from the client on the commission thread so I don't have a jumble of notes to weed through to find a particular comment, etc. The problem is that I will post and the client does not get notified of the post. So they have to manually check their correspondence messages to see if it says # of comments. Many people may just clear out these notifications so may not have access to them in any handy manner.

To all the people complaining about dA's Premium Content Platform share of profits... If you compare this service with other sales oriented platforms such as eBay, Amazon, Etsy, GraphicRiver... You will find that dA's costs may actually be better. A friend uses Graphicriver and they take a sizable chunk out of the costs. Amazon, Etsy and eBay all have listing fees. I'm not sure what ArtFire or the one that starts with a Z and some red something or other charges. But I would bet it is comparable. The main difference here is that you can easily accept for your commissions and choose how you get paid out. You already have a huge customer base who is already buying/selling/trading via dA points. 20% is not a huge chunk, when you compare it to the alternatives. Yes, you can always accept PayPal commissions through e-mail, etc and yada yada. This new system is convenient for both the commissioner and the artist to transact quickly and easily.

Normally, I discuss back and forth how they plan to pay, then if via points I wait for them to send the agreed upon amount, if via PayPal I'd e-mail them an invoice... When communicating over the internet, it can be a very long and drawn out process just doing the payment set up. This takes care of that so you can begin the long process of back and forth communication with your clients and not worry about the payment. You have already been paid, once you hit accept you can begin work and not worry that you will get shortchanged. I'm not certain how refunds work, but after the 14 day period, you can return their payment manually.

I welcome this addition to the Premium Content Platform, as I was already looking for a way to set it up through PCP deviations. Which I never really figured a clean way to do that. I was over complicating it... So far, I am happy with the new system. I have commission orders that I was not receiving before via my buried journal posts and people who come to my site know immediately that I have commissions available.

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ComicBookGaz In reply to ??? [2013-01-21 09:30:30 +0000 UTC]

So you're capping the value of potential art for sale at around $50, you take a fifth of the profits and you expect professional artists to actually make a living and/or profit off of this, let alone use it at all, when it's not even necessary to begin with?

Yeah, watch the use of this skyrocket. There is quite literally zero benefit to using this widget at all and no one is going to use it.

And although it'd obviously be the largest, most unrealistic move ever to forbid commissions outside of the use of this widget for a variety of reasons, it would be literally impossible to enforce that rule. Anybody can just arrange any other way of going about that, and easily arrange anything outside of the confines of such a widget.

I wouldn't put it past dA trying to do that on the grounds of greed. I would put it past them on the grounds that there's no way to enforce it, at all. It's not going to happen.

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monstash In reply to ComicBookGaz [2013-01-24 18:58:20 +0000 UTC]

Several people are already using it, and it's mainly used for convenience.
It's easily manageable, and it gathers all the data in one place. Also it displays things clearly so that users can navigate and read the data displayed quickly and easily rather than going through some dumb listing that is confusing for any literate person to read.

Go pick something else about dA to bitch about. This is a genuine idea.

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Bone-Bone In reply to ??? [2013-01-19 16:19:34 +0000 UTC]

So people still like this even though you get a huge chunk out of your earnings taken away? Sheesh.

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HasnulKarami In reply to ??? [2013-01-15 08:01:57 +0000 UTC]

why did my earnings keep being refunded? I wanted to wait for 14 days but after about two of three days of transaction my earnings is given back to my client. I already accepted the commission and I and my client did not do anything except for waiting..

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ikazon In reply to HasnulKarami [2013-01-17 18:36:00 +0000 UTC]

Hey there! If your commission earnings have been refunded without any notice sent to your account, please file a Premium Content Inquiry at the Help Desk .

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Lacewinged-Beauty In reply to ??? [2013-01-14 05:46:25 +0000 UTC]

This is definitely an excellent idea. So much tidier than the previous jumble of listings and prices placed in journals and such.

I myself won't be using it but I know the majority of deviantART will be super pleased by this new widget

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James--Steele In reply to Lacewinged-Beauty [2013-01-14 13:19:04 +0000 UTC]

I can say I am Definitely like the formatting/layout, and it's gotten me commissioned more than I have before.

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Lacewinged-Beauty In reply to James--Steele [2013-01-15 10:07:05 +0000 UTC]

That's good to hear! It does seem much smoother.

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GwenCanDrawZat In reply to ??? [2013-01-13 03:34:26 +0000 UTC]

I have to say VERY useful!! I'd like my payment to well, be in points and I was wondering, when does it go into the point box?

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James--Steele In reply to GwenCanDrawZat [2013-01-13 16:44:39 +0000 UTC]

14 days to clear the transaction.

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GwenCanDrawZat In reply to James--Steele [2013-01-14 06:01:26 +0000 UTC]

Okiedokie, thanks!

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Rutchia In reply to ??? [2013-01-11 21:57:23 +0000 UTC]

It's not letting me withdraw.

Transactions

Available balance:
$0.00
Cleared funds available for withdrawal

Pending Transactions:
$8.59
Incoming funds not yet available for withdrawal

Total Withdrawn:
$0.00
Funds transferred to Points, PayPal or Check

WHAT DOES THE BOLD FONT PART MEAN?

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James--Steele In reply to Rutchia [2013-01-13 02:28:23 +0000 UTC]

It'll be fourteen days until the transaction has been processed. Then you'll be able to withdraw that amount.

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Rutchia In reply to James--Steele [2013-01-13 03:14:01 +0000 UTC]

ohhhh<33
Thank you!

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Vaahlkult In reply to Rutchia [2013-01-12 02:52:53 +0000 UTC]

The funds probably have to be held to be processed first. A lot of sites that sell prints and stuff do this, no different here I guess.

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Rutchia In reply to Vaahlkult [2013-01-12 03:46:12 +0000 UTC]

okay

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HasnulKarami In reply to ??? [2013-01-11 15:47:04 +0000 UTC]

It will be better if we can get the commission note message at notice area

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Risachantag In reply to ??? [2013-01-10 15:13:22 +0000 UTC]

I thought this was a good idea at first, but I'd never use it if DA is taking a 20% cut. That is WAY too high for an addition to a service that I already pay for.

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strawberrynekos In reply to Risachantag [2013-06-08 23:19:13 +0000 UTC]

A lot of other non-premium users think it's useful. I personally have never tried it, I do want to try it out and pick which side I'm on, but I think it does cut down on the complications of making payments, but the wait is a bit long if it's an emergency.

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HeIrouis In reply to ??? [2013-01-10 07:18:44 +0000 UTC]

Uh please fix the details of transaction history. I deleted some correspondence message and I forgot who sent me the points...

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ikazon In reply to HeIrouis [2013-01-11 20:04:10 +0000 UTC]

Fixed! You can see these from your My Correspondence page, which can be found in the menu in the top left corner of the site.

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HeIrouis In reply to ikazon [2013-01-12 03:31:22 +0000 UTC]

I also have a request but consider this as optional. Instead of deviants making a custom box for queue like the one i did in my page, give us an option to show the customer's queue and probably three settings:
1. icon or deviant name or both
2. note/message box - user specified for each entry
3. title option with it to place w/e message we want:
4. sort options - sort by name/commission date(/specific but i believe that would be too much work, im imaginging a small width textbox at the side to set the ordering number)

pseudo code example:

Commission type 1 500 points
List:
devianticon - work in progress
devianticon2 - pending
devianticon3 - pending *special

Commission type 2 1500 points
List:
devianticon - pending
devianticon - pending


I also noticed there's no way to cancel the commissions, is that how it's supposed to work? That's all, thanks!

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HeIrouis In reply to ikazon [2013-01-12 03:24:12 +0000 UTC]

Awesome! Great job man!

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FreckledAndFearless In reply to ??? [2013-01-10 03:12:14 +0000 UTC]

I'm having an issue with the program... Someone purchased a critique from me, but it says I've sold none... I don't quite understand why this is... Also, while I was working on the commission, I was unable to use the comment feature to communicate with the client... Are these just bugs, or the way things were meant to be?

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James--Steele In reply to FreckledAndFearless [2013-01-13 02:30:37 +0000 UTC]

Have you edited the info? When you edit it, it deletes the amount of commissions already sold. (source: On my widget, it says I've sold 0 critiques, but I've already sold 7 )

On the second part, it seems that the My Correspondence page was rushed (to my knowledge), so I think it's still quite buggy. You can report the bugs you find to the Help Desk. (please remember to take lots of screenshots! )

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FreckledAndFearless In reply to James--Steele [2013-01-13 16:37:56 +0000 UTC]

I have edited it to put the information of the commission I sold on it... I didn't know that, thank you for the information.
Alright, I'll be sure to do that, thanks for the information and the help

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James--Steele In reply to FreckledAndFearless [2013-01-13 16:41:52 +0000 UTC]

No problem.

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LizEsPencil In reply to ??? [2013-01-09 02:53:51 +0000 UTC]

Speaking of commissions...
Attention Please!

This is a critical situation here- =R-no71 is in a serious financial situation and could be kicked out of her home to the streets any day now. She's opened up commissions to pay for it and to save herself from having to live on the streets. Please, if anyone can, commission her. She has very high skilled and high quality artwork- you will not regret commissioning. Even if you can not commission, at least help her advertise. Do a good deed!: [link]

[link] [link] [link] [link]

Thank you all!

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Itti In reply to ??? [2013-01-09 01:51:03 +0000 UTC]

I am totally behind with journals (still getting caught up after the Xmas break) so I've only just seen this but I'm SUPER EXCITED!

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James--Steele In reply to ??? [2013-01-08 14:52:12 +0000 UTC]

I'm actually fine with the 20% now, because I'm not offering commissions above 20 so I only lose 4 points.

Now, I tested it out personally on one of my alts. I gave them 20 points, commissioned myself, and then accepted the commission on this account. I then went back to the alt account to see if there were any notifications. The only notification was on the original notice that I had accepted it. I'd prefer a separate notification that the user has accepted your commission (because I usually delete commission notices before they're accepted by habit).

One of my main suggestions for improvement is a comment box in your commission notice. (sta.sh preview: [link] ) I'd like the ability to communicate with the client through the commission platform. I shouldn't have to note them when already everything is neatly packed here.

Also, it would be nice for the cap to be raised just a bit higher. Maybe people paying for a premium subscription can alter the cap to however high they want? Or maybe raise it to 10k points? (Just throwing out a number)

Thanks!
~James

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James--Steele In reply to James--Steele [2013-01-11 00:33:11 +0000 UTC]

Wow, they actually did add a comment box!

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SavageFrog In reply to James--Steele [2013-01-11 00:41:34 +0000 UTC]

Sweet~

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wezenbeesje In reply to ??? [2013-01-08 14:18:20 +0000 UTC]

20% is really a lot. :s
I just keep the custom box with commission info. Unless deviantart gets some kind of search function to search for artists who do commissions.

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wezenbeesje In reply to wezenbeesje [2013-01-08 14:24:24 +0000 UTC]

I don't want to give so much money to people who maintain a site which is getting a bigger and bigger concurrent to a site I love.

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James--Steele In reply to wezenbeesje [2013-01-13 02:31:16 +0000 UTC]

Well, if anything, I think it should be lowered a bit for subscribers.

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Zagittorch In reply to ??? [2013-01-08 08:39:27 +0000 UTC]

I don't mind the 20% cut, especially since I plan on using this for people who pay with points, and because I've made the prices higher to make my earnings just as I would through other methods.

I was wondering, where exactly do we make suggestions to improve the widget and discuss about them? devBUG seems to be there only to bring attention to, you know, bugs.

I personally believe deviantART should work on a system that would allow a possible client to browse through several people's commission adds from the widget, much like browsing deviations or journals/news. Though in order to properly do it, each commission add would have to be categorized, I don't think this would be complicated seeing how the categories would be the same as the gallery's - maybe slightly less specific.

This will provide a greater service to those who are selling, as advertising, and to those who're looking to buy, obviously.

It'd make for a much better reason to charge 20% of people's winnings.


Onto the pricing... I believe the 4000 pts cap should be allowed to be higher, perhaps for premium members only? Or senior users.

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bohobella In reply to Zagittorch [2013-01-08 09:00:16 +0000 UTC]

This suggestion is the best thing since slight bread, I highly endorse it

I'd love the cap to be higher for premium members. Since senior is such a special status of somewhat random earning, it wouldn't be fair I feel to give them a edge in profiting or what have you.

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Zagittorch In reply to bohobella [2013-01-08 09:01:58 +0000 UTC]

Haha, yeeeah with senior I meant old active members, I had forgotten seniors are called seniors.

Like, the cap goes higher for every year your account has been relatively active.

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Oyee In reply to ??? [2013-01-07 11:13:59 +0000 UTC]

Well... Looks kinda nice. Except the fee's amount. I understand that it's somewhat rude not to pay for services and the free advertisement space the site provides and beacause of the site's popularity they could pull it off (unfortunately I guess?). But wth, they want to make more money.

Though if I want to draw professionally in MY country WITHOUT getting penalised for it, I'd have to pay 38-45%(?) of my income to the goverment (that's several taxes added together and it could be as high as 60% IF there are more kind of stuff I need to do to just not get a fee for simply offering my services..). Not talking about base materials and food.

Most imortant question: Will I get penalised or banned or REPORTED TO POLICE/GOVERMENT/WHATEVER REGULATORY INSTITUTE they can come up with if I DON'T USE this widget?

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icefire8521 In reply to Oyee [2013-01-10 23:06:25 +0000 UTC]

$wreckling said himself in a reply to another user, that the widget will not be forced upon anyone and is your choice if you would like to use it.

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Oyee In reply to icefire8521 [2013-01-11 09:21:05 +0000 UTC]

I already got a reply describig as such, but thans anyway.

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wezenbeesje In reply to Oyee [2013-01-08 14:19:47 +0000 UTC]

deviantart gets rich (or already is) and artists stay poor. Especially if everyone keeps asking just 5 points for their art.

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Oyee In reply to wezenbeesje [2013-01-08 14:54:12 +0000 UTC]

I'm more on the opinion that DA is a good place to advertise my stuff, but it would hardly ever get me rich wether they help me or not and I don't intend to entirely live of what I get from DA commissions. Besides, I've seen some site hosted competitions wich - provided artists who see them really want to get somewhere and apply for them - are really good headstarts. If they get filthy rich in the process thanks to a good marketing, then wath the hell. Hopefully that'll mean more competitions with money prize and opportunities to get to learn/work aboard.

And who said I'm only asking 5 points for my work?

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