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Niklas, A photographer of the "street" genre and an artist that I a greatly admire remarked the other day that he had a noticed a decline in the number of artists on DA of this genre and wondered why.
After thinking about this for a while and recalling from my personal interactions with people I thought I would pen down my analysis.
Firstly, there are those artists that feel they need to move onto professionally focused platforms, or independent websites. They have out grown the community of DA. These artists appear to prefer professional upward mobility to the warm coffee-shop ambience of DA. We can not begrudge them the features and focus that DA doesn’t provide. Secondly, it’s the discouraged and disparaged street photography newbie, that once started and suddenly has faded away, choosing another genre or simply giving up. It is this, that I do find disconcerting.
We must admit because of the very nature of the genre, it is the most unforgiving of photographic art. It’s a genre where the artist has no control of subject matter, presence or pose. No control of light or lighting and very little control of position, angle and perspective. Of all the genres this requires the greatest confluence of time and circumstance.We should also add into the mix that the difference between brilliant street and tedium is simply the difference of a hairs breath in a multitude of real time "there and then" factors. Simply stated, it’s a very difficult genre with just a fraction of a difference in an image that turns mundane into sublime and very few shades of acceptance in between.
Translating this into the newbies perspective, in many other forms of photography and art, work is interpreted through many levels of acceptability like grading A to F. While in street it is almost binary Pass or Fail … “wow that is amazing” or “urrgh it is dull as dishwater”. This failure-rejection syndrome is quite off putting to many aspiring street photographers. Especially when they submit to groups that are street photography focused.
Then we have the problem of “what actually constitutes” street photography. The definitions for street are very varied some are very broad and some are some are more constrained. I have experienced that many groups have a more focused and narrower philosophy of what constitutes street and what doesn’t. Literally one groups street becomes another groups rubbish. Again this leads to rejection of the poor newbie, while his image may be amazing and it may be lauded by one group but another group may find it unacceptable to their version and philosophy.
In many other forms of art there are a lot of basic and tangible guides to what would constitute a good image, a portrait, a scene, still life, while from the guides on street that I have read I have found them almost philosophically transcendental, leaving the poor newbie thinking that getting a good street photo is akin to rocket science or requires knowledge of the dark magic. Again, giving very little encouragement to the newbie. While the aspiring artist is struggling with all these difficulties and finding very little tangible guides to what constitutes a good street image, I do admit that because of the very nature of street photography these difficulties will persist and those that aspire to this genre must be prepared for a lot of hard work and a lot of rejection.
However, what I don’t find in street groups is the nurturing, the grooming and the mentoring that I find in practically all other genres and this is something that groups and even individuals can easily do and that they should do.
Having said that, I would like to share some wonderful works from wonderful artists as an inspirations to all.
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Comments: 125
Markotxe In reply to ??? [2018-01-06 19:31:57 +0000 UTC]
I think it's because it's a genre for aware people. Very few are here on dA, and this kind of deviation gets no success.
Btw, I wonder why so few street DDs.
On the other hand, fb is a formidable competitor where most of dA street photographer prefer show their works
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burningmonk In reply to Markotxe [2018-01-09 14:42:11 +0000 UTC]
I'm working on the DD's! With 6 month rule it's tough because as you say there are few active street photographers. Feel free to suggest loads! There is no limit to suggestions, so please send them my way!
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Markotxe In reply to burningmonk [2018-01-13 08:50:38 +0000 UTC]
I have often sent suggestions in the past, never retained: I am a little disappointed and not very inclined to start again
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burningmonk In reply to Markotxe [2018-01-16 15:33:45 +0000 UTC]
Well, it's a matte of finding quality material. I can't just accept everything submitted. I do understand it's a subjective to matter to some degree. Now I don't recall what you submitted before, and I've only been doing this for a few months anyway. But I'd say don't be discouraged. In the end it is a matter of opinion and we are all only human, trying to do our best to feature good quality work but balance that with being inclusive. I also find that the part of the problem for Street Photography on DA specifically is the rather small pool of street photographers. You can't submit the same ones often because of the 1 DD in 6 months rule.
Would you like me to be more upfront when I decide not to feature a photo as a DD? I was informed by those who instated me that it's best not to open that can of worms. But I'm happy to be honest to those who can take the feedback openly. And anyway, thank you for your recent submission. It's a good one!
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Markotxe In reply to burningmonk [2018-01-16 21:09:56 +0000 UTC]
I dont want to know why a pic is not chosen as a DD : if I propose one, it is because it thinks it deserves it. So our opinions diverge necessarily on the artistic criteria in this case.
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burningmonk In reply to Markotxe [2018-01-17 07:31:22 +0000 UTC]
Totally, understand. My goal is not to change your mind, but just to have a dialog, a friendly discussion, to make it more personal. I hate to come off like some kind of evil bureaucrat who bangs a red stamp on the photo while bellowing "DENIED!!!"
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Markotxe In reply to burningmonk [2018-01-17 19:45:52 +0000 UTC]
I will be delighted with a constructive dialogue
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InayatShah In reply to Markotxe [2018-01-07 17:09:15 +0000 UTC]
If you see the submissions, there are relatively fewer submissions in street as compared to other categories. Perhaps that is why there are fewer DD's
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jennystokes In reply to InayatShah [2018-01-11 10:37:55 +0000 UTC]
Very rare to see a 'street' image as a DD.
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InayatShah In reply to jennystokes [2018-01-12 18:04:53 +0000 UTC]
Ha ! ,,,,,, PJ shots getting DD's are even more rare
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Markotxe In reply to InayatShah [2018-01-07 17:24:58 +0000 UTC]
I dont think so. Quality replace quantity, so it's possible to make DD more often. Perhaps CV's are a bit too perfectionnist
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Vermontster In reply to Markotxe [2018-01-07 02:58:58 +0000 UTC]
I for one, do not prefer showing my work on fb. It does seem though, that DA has lost some of the passion and comradery that it once had.
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InayatShah In reply to Vermontster [2018-01-07 16:05:02 +0000 UTC]
I think its time we should revitalise the outreach or groups and our own community involvement. I have been rather dormant for the past year in this aspect, because of my professional commitments. Its a new year and lets make a new start.
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Markotxe In reply to Vermontster [2018-01-07 08:47:29 +0000 UTC]
I agree with all you say here
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