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Hey guys, this post is REALLY RARE and special to me because it's about my new and "classified" project I'm working on. It's been already 1 year of development and 7 chapters script, TOOOOOOOONNNNNSSSS of tests and rafes and illustrations.The motive I'm sharing this interior panel is to discuss which path should I go ( treatment) I've been following the first one so far, I thought about details and a more refined treatment but, in a certain way I see it "desperately detailed", I mean looks " too many" for a slightly dynamic reading, not only about dynamism but also how we truly feel interested by something, like " a simple sketche of a simple line can amaze you sometimes ( truly) more than fine arts - it's just a bad example, ok? lol not a rule. because a fineart or detailed pieces may fatigue us sometimes, that's why it's so important to manage both because details are so DAMN welcome too!. otherwise the good exp only comes by effort and not by a overall good will, true excitement....
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I'm a big fan of hard black shadows, but the gradations used in the left pic make it look almost animated - really nice effect.
I'd probably go in that direction.
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Curti mais o da esquerda... Mais pastel...
Da direita parece jornal. Muito contraste, fica facil de ver, mas cansativo, como vc disse.
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I think the first one because it looks like you're establishing a scene, setting a mood sort of, so it fits that it has more mood and atmospheric detail to it in that sense, makes you able to sink into it as a viewer. The other one is perhaps too blunt for it's art style, maybe if the style was more simple lineart, typical cel shade style then that kind of harsh contrast would be good
Or maybe the second just needs some small black details on the ground to sort of give it depth and it might work just as well?
Some shadows on the ground for the characters, maybe that white circle (but in light grey?) hmmmm.
Anyway, I get what you're saying though (I think), they both have some interesting qualities for sure 
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I think the left works due to the contrast and depth of the background compared to the foreground. It also defines the mist on the ground where, on the right one, it's not clear what the strong highlight or washed out white area is supposed to be. Even the summoning circle, if that is what I believe it is, is clearly shown that adds to the supernatural aspects of the story. The right panel is missing that and loses the actual elemental part of the story.
So, my professional opinion is...LEFT panel works as an opening or one large panel shot. If a two-page spread, perhaps.
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I suggest left. I see clearly what is going on. At right I can't be sure of where the two silouettes are, the planes are harder to distinguish (foreground and backgroud). But I would like some more "boldness" in left. Maybe I would tweak the contrast a little but not as much as in the right panel.
So, my answer would be: left because is clearer to read, but I would increase contrast a little ^^
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It would be easier to decide if this had a "Middle" version.
(btw the 2nd should have a little grey on the white ground, And not I'm not comparing how good they are, I'm just saying what to add)
The left one is totally better by the looks really, but sometimes the eye desires something brighter too, but sometimes it desires a bunch of details, so you might try to mix them up or I don't know, it's really on you not on us. To Decide.
if it's for illustration styled stuff and not for a manga or comic then 100%tly go with the left one
if its for a comic or manga then it's on you to decide
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olha que lindeza!
Iuma, num sei se e' isso que ce ta atras mas oh...
do lado esquerdo da para sentir o ar,cheio, e humido , e no direito senti a iluminacao e silencio com a atencao que espaco negativo deu a personagem.
eu acho que o da direita fica topi na impressao tambem.
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Eu gosto mais da apresentação do primeiro quadro, acho ele mais agradável de enxergar por mais tempo. <3
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I think they can both work for you, depending on which style you pursue. The left looks more illustration-like, and the right looks like it came out of manga. In the end, it's your artistic choice though.
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I like 'em both, the one on the right is gritty and high contrast with a nice balance in the page, but for this scene I'd go with the one on the left because it creates the atmosphere and sets the tone.
I'd suggest that you use the treatment according to the story, if its a high stress high action scene with lots of things happening quickly go more sketchy, when something is just super tense use high focused detail of one thing etc. Although to be honest that sounds like a lot more work...
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Based just on these two images I like the one on the left because it has a better sense of depth and atmosphere. But I also like the high contrast and details of the one on the right.
I think a "treatment" somewhere between the left and right images would be good. Maybe it's just a simple matter of getting rid of the 'smokey textures' being used on the left image? And I don't see a reason why you can't just use both treatments throughout the project depending on whats happening in the story/in the panel.
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I definitely like the one of the left more. The one on the right looks oddly unfinished, or slightly rushed, and the detail is less clear about a few things.
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o segundo é mais legal pra mim. e se sai mais rapido é um bonus.
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I like left one more. It looks more finished (to me), the right one seems a little "burned", with all this unused white space, even though its contrast is lovely and gives it some encarving look.
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This is really hard one to choose.... But I'd say the left one is cooler. Looks more atmospheric?
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Hello,
What I am about to share is just my point of view on your artistic treatment and It doesn't illustrate any rules, art is subjective after all
I love a strong graphic art, and the solid black and white artwork shows the best and the worst of an artist. It shows his/her composition skills, knowledge of shape, design skills and all the "mistakes" an artist could make. I think the right variant gives all I need from an artist. It gives me all I need to see as a shapes and action, without taking the atmosphere away. The effects you used on the left variant are masking everything my eye is searching for and hides all the qualities of the pure black and white drawing (which in this case is the skeleton of the picture anyway).
Those effects can be atmospheric if used right, Ashley Wood is a great example but even he understands the importance of a strong ink drawing, that's why he found this path more rewarding. In my eyes using this foggy effect is kind of chickening out of what your true abilities are.
I think you should use the right variant with a different coloring technique which gives the blacks the deepness they deserve . I saw a different illustration from this Secret project and it looked amazing. Also the Constantine illustration you recently posted is a great example of what solid blacks can do with so little to keep the pieces together.
I hope this comes helpful and you can understand my crazy talking.
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I would say the one on the left is a lot more atmospheric. It might not be as high contrast as the version on the right but, for me at least, it has a greater impact and is more striking because I get a sense of what that environment feels like and not just what it looks like...
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I think you should use both styles. The left one has more detail and smoother shading but no one is expected to out that much detail into each panel. I don't know how long each took to color, but if it takes half as long for the right panels.. (and if you were to print them, less colors the better).
It does depend on the story. But a contrast on both of the moods shown here would be SO stunning. They two styles could work well together.
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The left one looks more intresting in my opinion, it somehow also feels more original.
What if they were combined, the left one with more contrast?
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I like the left better; for me it's easier to understand. Sometimes, in work that has a high contrast, it's hard to "read" the pics. Plus I feel it gives more emotion to the panel.
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the one on the right has a more comic feeling to it, the higher contrast makes it more appealing to me 
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The left panel gives me more depth. I like it more!
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I would say exactly the same ! ^^
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I feel more energy from the right panel. I wonder what it will look like with the first plan of the left image on the right one.
Cool work anyway.
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On the left panel, I really like the environment and surroundings, while on the right panel i like how 'clearer' the characters (?) are in the scene.
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they both looks great but I like the look of the right one more, it just feels "less digital".
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Why not take the best parts of both versions? A moderately high contrast, stepping down on the tones a bit and only clear details on the important person/object/etc. and a sketchier style on the surroundings? Out of your works I personally like those best where you put a bit more detail into texture for contrast, that might work here too. But like others already said, depends on what works for you personally and what you want to achieve with the work and not just on your fans taste.
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For a piece of art youre meant to look at for longer, the left one.
For a comic, where i feel should be all about punch that you skim past faster, the right one.
I prefer the right one generally also. The left one lacks range, for me.
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I genuinely like the left one more. The mood's completely different. I'm a detail freak though, I like to absorb the surroundings as much as the story. But like you said in your description, you've got to find a balance and sacrifice on some things.
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... Personally I'm not sold on either...
The left one is indeed too detailed but eating those details with high contrast is not the solution I think.
Mostly, I think textures are abused a bit. On the left it doesn't look weird but on the right, because of it, many things doesn't make sense anymore. Is it rocks? Or vegetation? Most of the time, I can't really tell the difference.
Plus the right may looks catchy but I think it also lost it's depth. On the left you could make out the fore plan middle and last. The high contrast erase all that.
I think you should use textures a bit less, leave more whites/space and not lose sight what needs to be seen first by the reader. Frankly, fancy details in comics just ends up tiring my eyes when they're all over the picture, it gets in the way of a clear narrative.
All in all, I think you went too far with details and if high contrast helps it also erase a lot of others things, flatten your picture... It's just not the solution. What you want is to find when you have to stop and when you can be fancy.
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Such good feedback, completely agree. I like the right one more but it loses information as I can't understand what they're standing on.
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i prefer the right one. i tend to go for more contrast as a rule, but the detail and balance of light and dark (maybe more white space than i would like) conveys a lot of mood and atmosphere. the one on the left reminds me more of a speedpaint (not a bad thing by itself), but the lack of contrast leads me to ignore a lot of the details that make this a good picture. ideally i would like something in the middle, that has the tones of the first to balance out all the white space, but keeps the details intact to preserve the sense of atmosphere and depth.
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They are both amazing artwork.
Left panel feel more sadness or peace.
Right is more emptiness despair and oppression by the details.
I prefer the right one it reminds me some good old stuff very dark like shadowman, constantine or priest.
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Definitely the left one. The drawing looks cleaner and we get to understand the scenery much better. On the right one, it seems like the contrats are too high; it puts off some details. The left one seems more like a natural choice to me.
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I feel like the the background unnaturally gives way to white on the right, but at the same time, the left feels too filtered... I guess what might be best is if you added a bit of smoke in the right one.
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wow! I like both, go with what your gut tells you. Whatever you sell, Im buying :3
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I think it's hard to decide (for us like 'outsiders'), cause it also depends on what you're trying to tell through the image, I mean, even though both are supposed to be the same scene I can't help but focus on different aspects (and whether that's good or bad depends on what you're trying to tell us) For example, in the left panel (which I love, beautiful work!!) the detailed scenery gives me a good idea of the place and I think it helps a lot to set a certain mood. On the other hand the right one has a different mood than the left one, but the higher contrast helps me focus on certain (important) things, like the character at the middle of the field, which gets kind of lost in the left panel. I guess what I'm trying to say it that there's not a better answer to which you should follow, since both work wonderfully, but in different aspects, and I guess that's what you should consider in choosing one, which one helps you to tell your story better.
Also, sort of a side note, I think you could perfectly leave such 'desperately detailed' look for only certain panels (like this one, i think it really works, setting the mood and all) while on some other panels you could work with less detail to keep the dynamic thing going on but with the same style (treatment). Does this make any sense?
Last side note, I swear, have you heard of Scott McCloud? He has these books on writing comics that might be helpful (may be it's too 'for begginers' to you, but sometimes it's good to go back to the basics, i remember he wrote in one of the firsts chapters about different styles and which helps better in certain cases... can't remember much though)
Hope this helps
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I prefer the left one. I think the deciding factor is that the higher contrast of the right piece is more aggressive and harsher on the eye. Also, the varying shades of grey give the left piece more depth and make it feel more alive, as far as I am concerned.
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I prefer the right one~ It's clear and easy to see what's going in there, great job!
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Ooh I like both but I mean I like the look of the one on the left a lil bit better, but I think both are great, whichever is better for you ^^
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Very cool! It is not easy to decide. You also have to think how it would look in printing, and at what size.
I agree about the difficulty of detail - I think the important part is to have breaks where there's low detail sometimes, high detail sometimes, so both stay fresh and interesting. I like both! I realize that is not helpful, but maybe use different treatments depending on the individual page - they're both equally good, just different.
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Hey , yeah it's complicated to choose, both images have the same detailing, but one has a further treatment ( first) the overall looking ( second) won't be changed, because at this base I think enough to find details and find void spaces differently of the first one that there's no void areas, I mean about CG style (first) or manga looking ( second) ? but thanks for you tip! I will keep it in mind.
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