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Jdoesstuff In reply to xBlueBlur24x [2018-03-31 16:34:12 +0000 UTC]

I am tired of people saying classic Sonic was the WORST part of Forces. I really didn't think he played bad at all. It might not be no where near the classic physics, but classic Sonic is still very much playable. I had the most fun playing his levels. Honestly, I felt modern Sonic was the worst to play as. He was missing some of his mechanics like drifting, his levels felt even more flat and uninspired, and you spent most of the levels boosting.

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xBlueBlur24x In reply to Jdoesstuff [2018-03-31 16:46:16 +0000 UTC]

Jeez, what are you? A Classic fanboy? Shouldn't be surprised. That's your minority opinion. The majority says that C. Sonic was not good at all which I agree with. You got used to the game's physics so good for you. I couldn't so I got hit by BS in the levels. I acknowledged those criticisms towards M. Sonic and I agree but his levels were not as bad as C. Sonic's. Sonic Team's so damn incompetent. The game as a whole, at best, is mediocre. Not even the Avatar can save this crap.

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Jdoesstuff In reply to xBlueBlur24x [2018-03-31 16:59:09 +0000 UTC]

Fanboy name calling? How mature. I can't have an opinion because it doesn't agree with a majority? It's not my fault you and so many other people can't do basic platforming.

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xBlueBlur24x In reply to Jdoesstuff [2018-03-31 17:41:18 +0000 UTC]

Then why the hell are you so damn tired of people saying that C. Sonic is the worst. It can show that you can get offended by it. I'm not saying you can't have an opinion if it's not agreed upon many others. I've been playing Sonic for 12 damn years so I know what the hell I'm playing. Sure, it's not your fault but it is Sonic Team's fault for butchering the physics and removing crucial mechanics from past games. This is why I can't look at the future of humanity with a straight face because now people can feel offended by anything and accuse the other side for doing something bad that they didn't mean it to be. You can go and love C. Sonic all you want but SEGA/Sonic Team are not doing him justice by shoehorning him in games that he doesn't need to be in and possibly cause an identity crisis to the franchise. Acknowledge that.

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Jdoesstuff In reply to xBlueBlur24x [2018-03-31 18:11:14 +0000 UTC]

It's more of an annoyance rather than being offended. I just think people are making things out to be worse than they actually are. Nobody likes to hear the things they enjoy are "bad". I've been playing Sonic for over 16 years myself, so I think I know a little bit more than you do. Or at least I'm more mature about it. Regardless of the morality of putting classic Sonic into a modern game, what we ended up with was some okay platforming. Not great, not terrible, just okay. At least you can control and turn classic Sonic unlike modern. Though that's probably because classic is strictly 2D with no awful 3D controls. I don't see why there'd be an identity crisis. Classic and modern Sonic have tons of differences.
Like my picture was trying to convey, even if putting classic Sonic in Forces makes no sense for canon or whatever, it actually does make sense from a business perspective. Or at least in principle. Sega knows people love classic Sonic, and I bet they knew Sonic Mania was going to be a huge success. So they figured they'd add classic to Forces to hopfully gain more attention and potentially get more sales in case the avatar didn't work out. That's my theory at least.

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xBlueBlur24x In reply to Jdoesstuff [2018-03-31 18:40:43 +0000 UTC]

That's true but you have to know the criticisms and know that nothing is perfect. You can't just block it out because it will get to you eventually. Maybe you're more mature about it but it doesn't mean you automatically know more. You may have more control in terms of the concept but C. Sonic's physics do not help much with the platforming. It may sound like it has sense but it can backfire if, and I say this again, you cram in a shit ton of stuff to satisfy everyone in one game but it may not satisfy anyone in the end which is why I thought the inclusion was stupid in the first place. If they want to keep those guys happy, make a Mania 2. DO NOT force him into games that he doesn't need to be in because it might not make sense or he'll the third wheel which can cause a failure in the long run. They just put him in there as bait for you guys so that they can make the quick $ and ONLY for that reason. That's a shitty business decision. They're desperate, I can tell. They'll lose more money if they keep doing this shit.

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Jdoesstuff In reply to xBlueBlur24x [2018-03-31 19:37:02 +0000 UTC]

I never said I thought it was perfect. There's a grey area between good and bad. And even then there's a grey area inside the grey area. I thought the physics worked alright for what was on the table. Sure, they have some minor wonkey qualities about them. But they never really harpened the experience for me, unlike those Sonic elitists who think that if the physics aren't 1 to 1 with the original games, they're automatically the worst thing in existence. Sega can try all they want to try to mimic the physics of the classics all they want in their current gameplay engine. But let's face it, they're NEVER going to have them 1 to 1. And I for one have come to accept that.
Also, getting more people to buy your product is a bad thing? The whole point of a business is to make as much profit as they can, no matter how scummy it may seem to you.

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xBlueBlur24x In reply to Jdoesstuff [2018-03-31 20:09:11 +0000 UTC]

Which is why I don't want to see C. Sonic in a M. Sonic again. With new engines, they're never gonna perfect the physics from the Genesis/Mega Drive games. Thus, making him the third wheel and people are going to bash it. If there's a grey area in the grey area, is there a grey area in that grey area? Again, you got used to the physics. Good. For. You. Also, did you even properly read my last one? I did not say it was a bad thing. I said that if a game has a bunch of crammed in shit without working it out and using it as bait, it will fail in the long run once the people realized the errors and it can show to the skeptics that maybe it was a bad idea. By that logic, making profit regardless, companies can fleece the hell out of their employees and consumers to save money and maximize profits just because its "business". Those are shitty practices. There are other ways to gain money.

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Jdoesstuff In reply to xBlueBlur24x [2018-03-31 20:49:19 +0000 UTC]

You act like Forces had so much unnecessary content crammed in it. Classic Sonic is just one game mode. And it's not even that bad of a mode in my eyes. I don't know about you, but to me, shitty = bad. I don't want to get too deep into the whole business subject. But the way I see things, people wanted Sonic's classic iteration back. Then Sega gave it to us in Generations and so forth. I think the probem is that when Sega hears demand like this, they really nail it in. We've gotten classic Sonic in so many games now, including mobile games. But now people want classic and modern to be separate. They don't want to see them crossing eachother anymore, is that correct? I personally don't care what games he appears in. I just love classic Sonic as a character and his gameplay.
Bottom line, Sega is only doing what the fans want. But I think they sometimes listen too much. But that's just a guess.

Can we please drop this? I'm tired of arguing with someone so negative.

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xBlueBlur24x In reply to Jdoesstuff [2018-04-01 03:36:13 +0000 UTC]

Actually, it had. The extra and secret stages had no point other than just more stages. Maybe you could get clothes but what else? To me, C. Sonic is still bad here. If guys like you want him back, wait for a Mania 2. Don't wait or demand for him to appear in another M. Sonic because you can get disappointed again. People thought that Generations was a one-and-done deal but since so many damn people want him back to stroke their egos, Sonic Team did it and many were disappointed. SEGA should not listen to them anymore, it's hampering them. Right now, they need to focus on refining M. Sonic's gameplay and giving a good focus without going all over the place. You can love him all you want but you should care what he's in. It can bring everyone down with you just accepting whatever is given.

If you want to drop it just because I'm not going with your opinion then fine, I can stop talking to a brick wall.

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Jdoesstuff In reply to xBlueBlur24x [2018-04-01 04:37:34 +0000 UTC]

I'm doing nothing wrong. You're trying to enforce your views on to me while belittling mine. You're kinda being rather rude about it. I don't need people like you telling me how I should feel. Also, name calling only makes you look more immature. Now please leave me alone.

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Jdoesstuff In reply to AnistarNinfia [2017-09-02 23:51:11 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, Forces does seem a bit cringy with the custom character and edgelord Infinite. I just want to create Coldsteel the Hedgeheg.

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AnistarNinfia In reply to Jdoesstuff [2017-09-03 01:38:11 +0000 UTC]

So far the gameplay doesn't look very fun. I love the levels in  Sonic Adventure 1 and 2  so I'm pretty disappointed that what they showcased  looks kinda bland.  ( Hopefully the game will prove me wrong, though. ) 

I also dislike the cutscene they showed  as well. The action is slow, the characters are kinda  awkward, and the voice acting is still kinda meh..

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Jdoesstuff In reply to AnistarNinfia [2017-09-03 01:54:00 +0000 UTC]

Well, at the very least, classic Sonic's gameplay looks fun.

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AnistarNinfia In reply to Jdoesstuff [2017-09-03 02:15:49 +0000 UTC]

That's good; And here's what I mean by the modern gameplay looking kinda bland so far: www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4Uwxx…  ( There are no obstacles or platforms to overcome/explore. You kinda just breeze through the level in a straight line the entire time. ) 


Hopefully that's just what the level seems to be like but I have a bad feeling..

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Jdoesstuff In reply to AnistarNinfia [2017-09-03 02:30:21 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, i know what you mean. Just one long hallway.
I'm hoping that it'll be like Generations where the first level is just a hallway, but all the later levels are more explorative.

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AnistarNinfia In reply to Jdoesstuff [2017-09-03 02:33:28 +0000 UTC]

I hope so too. 

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AnistarNinfia In reply to Magmaturtle1012 [2017-09-01 00:08:30 +0000 UTC]

I think we also need better writers. It doesn't feel like the new ones are all that familiar with the lore or characters. 

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Magmaturtle1012 In reply to AnistarNinfia [2017-09-01 10:58:49 +0000 UTC]

True. In fact, they actually said they don't know anything about Sonic.

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AnistarNinfia In reply to Magmaturtle1012 [2017-09-02 04:14:41 +0000 UTC]

That's surprising to me but it explains why the characters are so flanderized in modern games. 

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Magmaturtle1012 In reply to AnistarNinfia [2017-09-03 12:08:36 +0000 UTC]

Yeah.

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