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So, the 13th Doctor has lady-bits and a number of people seem really upset. Of that number, NONE can articulate as to WHY they are upset without sounding like a bunch of petty, insecure cry-babies.
This isn’t a James Bond situation, where the titular character HAS to be a white, Scottish guy, because THAT’S the mythology and if you change it, it’s no longer James Bond.
The Doctor can be anyone. It’s been part of the mythology for a while that his (Her? Its?) appearance is taken from people previously encountered, or is at the very least, a tribute to them. That’s why the 12th Doctor looked like Caecilius of Pompeii. My guess is that the 13th Doctor is a female because of Bill. Jodie Whittaker rather reminds me of The Pilot (Bill’s time-jumping, puddle-dwelling stalker/squeeze).
To say that The Doctor can’t be played by a woman is total BS, as is the claim that the BBC are simply doing it because of the “popular trend” in chasing diversity. The hint that the Time Lord might one day be a Time Lady goes back at least as far as 1999, in which Joanna Lumley played a regeneration of The Doctor in the Comic Relief episode, “The Curse of the Fatal Death”. At the time, people f**king LOVED the idea. There wasn’t a critic to be heard. Skip forward 20 years and we have a vile, vocal and paranoid group claiming everything is a feminist agenda and that it will result in men’s genitals shrivelling up and falling off.
I would like to have seen Colin Salmon or Tim Roth play The Doctor, but that’s only because I KNOW they would have been brilliant in the role. Never seen Whittaker perform, but neither had I seen Matt Smith, and his first season was ACE.
All that’s really important is that the stories are good, because last season, if I’m honest, was a bit lacking in that respect….
The 13th Doctor.
GOD I miss the 90s.
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Not to mention doesn't the Doctor mention in several of his past regenerations how he always wanted to regenerate as a lady and see what it was like? People in this day and age are just waaaaay too wound up in the gender divide. Who cares as long as the writing remains awesome, the stories fun, and the props looking like they were assembled with great care and skill from kitchen and hardware appliances?
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I'll admit I'm very curious to see what Whittaker's going to bring to the role, and completely baffled by all the controversy. I'm with you - why not a female Doctor? I remember the Comic Relief skit too, and at the time thinking it would have been a neat twist to see them do it for real - LONG before Michelle Gomez became indispensable as the new "Mistress". Whittaker seems like an unknown quantity, but I've been impressed with her work so far - she's largely known for serious dramatic work, but I definitely enjoyed watching her inject a little exasperated fiestiness to the male-heavy dynamics of movies like Perrier's Bounty and, in particular, Attack the Block. Besides, there was a time people were unconvinced by Capaldi, but after The Thick of It I knew he was going to be great, and he was. So I'm rolling with it.
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Phillip. When I saw that Ms. Wittaker was to be the doctor, it was one of the few times in my life that I didn't have to go "Well, I hope they can fit the role." I, like you had not heard of Matt Smith and was delightfully surprised with his performance. Jodie however is not such a case. I have a friend who exposed me to a bit of her work hear and there and from what I've gathered from it, She does have the chops across the board for the doctor. As long as the writers keep up the quality, she'll deliver a first rate performance.
Actually quite confident in their choice.
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I thought the doctor morphed into a lady in the Doctor Who movie tho?
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on a side note, Joanna Lumley is an ace in my book in anything she does.
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We (the viewers-fans) have been trying to get a female Doctor since the 5th Doctor generated. Now we have her so you newbies out there (who have probably never even SEEN the first episode) STFU.
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Colin Salmon would make a great future doctor.
He played Doctor Moon, an AVG that was based on a doctor . . . which Doctor? The Doctor?
Makes perfect sense.
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DAMN! The things I've lost track of! ...Well it's not like there isn't president for it, I mean not only the episode you mentioned, and a few fan-works, but when they were talking about the Corsair the 11th Doctor said " ...sometimes herself, ooooh she was a bad GIRL." meaning it does occasionally happen. Not to mention Stevin Hawking mentioned the world might be ready for a female Doctor traveling with a male companion when they unveiled the 12th doctor. Maybe I'm a bit of a xenofile, or a weirdo, or a freak, but I like the idea. I think the one from the 90s is better built, but the point is it opens the door for more of it.
Any way, I need to catch up on the last two seasons, and I hope you and Chloe add your usual flair to the situation. 
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It's always like this the first time they see the new Doctor. Since a year or two I've been part of an online Whovian Facebook community. They wrote that a lot of people left the community in the few days after the announcement.
I think it's weird to say that Timelords can't change genders. Look at Master/Missy. They did it wonderfully then.
I have no doubt Jodie Whittaker will be a good Doctor. And let's see if she can be an awesome one.
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I want the Doctor to be a man cuz that's what makes my juices flow
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I haven't watched Dr. Who in ages but, this sounds like a great twist of fun to be added. Hope fans and idiots criticizing it will get fun out of this.
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Not sure if it was touched upon, but Bond doesn't necessarily need to be Scottish (or white, for that matter). In fact, he's only Scottish because they decided to cast a Scottish ex-bodybuilder for the first movie, and decided to run with it when they liked it.
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I mean, my only complaint about 13 being a lady... i love my heroes male so i can drool over them. Since I'm not really into ladies, that makes it a little harder with this one.
Although I do love the actress and have to admit she's a fine looking lady.
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The Dr is the man from the world of stodgy old men with absolute power, he's just tired of the hypocrisy and jumped the fence to run in the fields and cheer up the poors. The Dr doesn't "HAVE" to be a male, but the change to a woman is completely ill timed. He's copy-catting the Master- who's gone through bodies/actors so fast having him be a woman for a regeneration is just a bit of delicious irony. And there was The General, a time lord who everyone's probably forgotten. We're not even getting The Valeyard out of this, a role that Capaldi would be perfect for since he looks very much like the Valeyard actor from the 80s.
So we're getting a shift to the story to- what? make it "approachable" to women, or at least the ones who think that if the role can be changed it should be changed to a woman because all things men are bad- and not because it's sensible to the story, but because the producers want to raise a fuss. I can't prove that they've taken a dip in the funding for the show, I'd be willing to see the Dr Who show be a bit less of a fireworks show, but this isn't how they should have gone about it. Are they trying to make it less "scary" for the children, less "male dominated" and extra "can Hero just as much as the boys" for the suffragettes, less flashy for the older viewers who prefer story over the special effects? They could have done all that anyway. The Capaldi seasons have been the best old-style Who of the new series. I have yet to see an episode of Nurse Who, but if they're resorting to this, it can't be good. If they have to cover their incoming failures this emphatically then there must be a long stretch of "Moon Egg" scripts to wait out. As a long time Who fan, yes my reaction is slightly horrified and disappointed, and not curious, but would have to see what the episodes are. It's not about being "petty and insecure", it's about everything being predictable and frankly boring. In any american medium, they'd be filling time with "spelling woman with a y" or "I guess it's time to give birth to Susan" and "let's sit and talk this out, and try to get the dalek murder tanks to hold hands" etc. The more skeezy of the fans are simply reacting to all their worst fears coming to light and ruining the series. I, for example, can only wait to see what sort of boring Torchwood leftovers they're going to be filming. The only cure is to sit down and see something that we have to wait nearly 11 months to get, and THEN judge it on it's merits. Making the Dr into a woman is a decision that cuts too deeply into science fiction's erosion by the active Idiocracy. And worse the "Say, have you seen how much of the entertainment dollar slice-of-the-pie the Twilight series is getting? Game of Thrones? Barbie?" attitude of certain trends and the producers who follow trends. It's a decision that has no merits. It's going to be a bad wait.
Oh geez, I wrote how much? Sorry, just trying to sound reasoned and not petty.
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I've come to the conclusion that the only way I'll go back to start watching Doctor Who again is if Moffat no longer has a hand in making it. Smith's second season thru his final season and the few episodes of Capaldi's first season that I caught just weren't good. A new actor isn't going to change the show when the problem is with the writing and direction.
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Moffat's already stepped down. The new season's going to continue with Chris Chibnall as the showrunner.
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oh, cool. I had not heard this. I'll probably actually check out the new season then!
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It did sound as though you could use the good news.
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But...but...Idris Elba would be a goddamned phenomenal Bond!
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I'm just upset not just because they went down this route (I personally see it as lazy writing, same goes with the Master because they could've brought back the Rani), but because if they really want a female doctor, bring back Ace. I mean goodness, the plans before the original series was to let Ace have her own TARDIS and go on her own adventures. At least I think that was the plan. It was part of the idea that the Doctor was the "Other" At the creation of the Timelord gods.
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I wasn't surprised because after the female Master I saw this coming a mile away. Anybody who didn't had their blinkers on because it was painfully obvious that a female Master was testing the waters to see if fan reaction was positive or negative and to confirm the notion that a Time Lady was, in fact, a thing. As soon as Missy was pretty well received [from what I gather] it was obvious there'd be a female Doctor.
I do agree with the Jame Bond example, though. Whilst the character of 'The Doctor' essentially works the exact same way regardless of age, race, colour, creed or gender [they're still fundamentally the same character] Jame Bond is pretty much set-up as a male character the same way Lara Croft is set-up as a strong female character. I think on the flipside some people need to learn to accept that it's okay for some characters to be made purely with one specific gender in mind, just as it's okay for some others [like The Doctor] to be more malleable.
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Wait... another Doctor ?
I thought the last Doctor (12th) was supposed to be the ''last Doctor'' after receiving a ''Doctor +1Up'' from the other timelords stuck in that dimensional crack(as seen in the 11th Doctor's Christmas episode) ?
Never was that much of a fan of the ''limit-senile elderly Doctor'', I will say. Got somewhat used to him after a significant number of episodes...
One thing for sure, this is honestly weird. Weird how ? Well, not really a big weird, but a ''weird that after 12 Doctors you suddenly now have a 13th Doct...ress?'' kind of weird.
I guess it's like anything... We will see. As long as it doesn't become a dumb parody, like what was done with the ''remake'' of the Ghost Busters.
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He got "a new set of regenerations", though how many was left deliberately vague so...yeah. He was down to his last life, to to speak, then that was undone by the Time Lords and now he can regenerate again...we just don't know how many times. A useful way for them to keep the show going.
And a female Doctor is still a Doctor....
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Well, the Internet and dictionaries tell me it's a real word. 'Doctor' appears to be the go-to one, but the other isn't invalid to use.
As for the number of regeneration, I suppose it's a legitimate ''trick'' from the show. Not sure if it was ever ''officially'' explained 'in' the series though ?
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While "doctoress" is a word it's referred to as an archaic, old-fashioned or derogatory term for a female doctor...which is why a female doctor is still a doctor....
All that was said in the show IIRC was the Doctor "got "a new set of regenerations". Which as I say could be anything from two to a whole new dozen; it was never directly stated. It was a trick they pulled to get around the fact that the Doctor had no more regenerations left, but one which has been done before since The Master had previously ran out of regenerations, yet as we've seen in the modern series has regenerated at least twice more.
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I'm not too bothered either way, yeah I think the complainers are pretty much being whiny idiots but until I see the final product I'm not going to go into a ballistic defender mode.
I am slightly curious though: are you going to do anything about this Jollyjack? Without meaning to suggest anything a regenerating female doctor seems to be right up your alley. Something to give new meaning to the phrase "wibbly wobbly timey whimey".
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I was hoping for Chiwetel Ejiofor, after 12 years a slave, kinky boots, and Serenity. Or Patrick Stewart, for his excellent catalogue of work. I just want a great actor male or female, great writers and I'm happy.
Best Wishes, Jodie.
This isn't the normal concerns about a change in Doctor, is ... too young? too old? This is just pathetic sexism.
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I don't care if the Doctor has lady bits or not, I just want the show to be good. My fear, however, is that the negative backlash will be reflected in the show's writing and come off as sjw ball washing, since we know how afraid Europe is about offending them.
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As JollyJack said, "All that’s really important is that the stories are good, because last season, if I’m honest, was a bit lacking".
This seems a bit like a publicity stunt to pull in the Tumblr crowd.
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That's exactly what I've been thinking. It would've been a great move years ago, before it looked like mindless sjw pandering.
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I just love the Doctor and I'm pretty shure my balls will stay. Relax and watch the storm roll in. One day they will cry havoc because the next Doctor will be left handed.
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When you consider multiverse theory, there's probably a universe where the Doctor's always been a woman and the fanbase is upset that cast a man for the part. Just saying.
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That's what people tend to be nowadays: vile, vocal and paranoid. Even over the smallest of changes. It's going to be interesting with the new Doctor.
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Not bothered tbh. It's a fictional series, its lore friendly and I haven't watched DW since the first 3 seasons.
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The writing for the last few seasons hasn't done it for me. If they can fix that then I'll watch but the Doctor being female doesn't make me any more likely to actually watch the show. Hopefully this will be the change they need to make a turnaround.
As for why people are upset. How about this: Thor, Hawkeye, Loki and Ironman are all women at this point. The Hulk and Captain America are Asian and Black respectively. Black Widow is still the same but I guess Nick Spenser just killed her? That's all the Avengers from the first movie and Marvel isn't the only place we see this trend as witnessed by what is happening on Doctor Who. Taken as independent occurrences it would only bother a few hardcore fans of a particular character and so long as the stories are good, even they will get over it in a little while. All together and coupled with less than great story telling? Why would you expect there to be anything other than negative reaction? Or that the reaction would get bigger as people are reacting to the zeitgeist rather than the specific event.
So here's the thing. Let the fans be upset. Stop trying to shame them into instantly liking the change. When Christopher Eccleston left, the fans complained, same for Tennant and Smith and now Capaldi. Did that make them Misandrists? Fans hate change. They complain bitterly and then they adapt as long as what the change does is good. Is it annoyingly chicken little? Sure. Does it automatically make them horrible misogynists? I don't think so.
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Wow, they finally did it! I don't follow the series but I've been intrigued by that possibility for a few seasons.
Next step, a different ethnicity?
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I enjoy another being able to adequately articulate my own thoughts.
Not every entry you make does so to this extent, but you nailed every point about this 100%
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Whether it was a PC move or not doesn't matter, because what this minor but vocal group of idiots have proven, is that it is a _necessary_ move. And one I am completely onboard with, I think it's exciting. I've seen Whittaker on Broadchurch, where she did a fantastic job, so I've no doubt she'll be awesome. And with a new showrunner, it hasn't been this exciting being a Whovian since the 50th anniversary special.
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Agreed.
And if you've not seen her perform, check out "Attack The Block". Really excellent!
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When I heard the 13th Doctor would be female I was stoked! It would be a breath of fresh air and a new twist on the character that, as you accurately put it, could be anyone. I look forward to seeing this Doctor in action.
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I haven't seen a single post or comment criticizing Dr Who going female. I've only seen posts claiming that there's so much outrage.
It's bullshit.
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There also seems to be some trolling going on, with comments complaining that the doctor needs to be ginger.
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....Well, those ones are just logical and correct.
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They're out there, trust me.
It's amusing to see some people squirm trying so hard not to sound offensive [and generally failing] about being pissed a woman got cast as The Doctor.
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My personal beef with it is that the actress herself sounds obnoxiously political.
www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho/…
But I think it's also pretty amusing how the "woke" side are being triggered by it as well...
archive.is/LKHKE
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