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some fighting then a team up. Demons beware the right hand of DOOM! is coming for ya.
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I kinda wanna see Danny phantom or Spawn to fight Devilman.
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Either way, it'd be one hell (no pun intended) of a fight.
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A reply to Gargoyles94, the autistic troll who actually blocked me before replying back to him:
It was an accident, and you are aware of that, stop being a troll. Son of the WEAK Devil, right? the one who was held in ice? Satan was the Devil King, so imagine a Demon Lord (which is a lower rank) dude, do not compare those pussies with Satan or the Demons in Devilman.
Even if Satan got killed (which is 100% impossible due to his immortality) his right hand Psycho Jenny would simply merge him with another human, just like how she did to Sirene and the other demons.
But he isn't, sadly.
That was metaphor, nonetheless.
Are you seriously asking me this? I mean that Satan in Hellboy was killed in his sleep helplessly, that's a silliest death than sperms after masturbation.
Satan in the original Manga, was proven to be immortal, even God and Angels couldn't fight him.
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Satan has the ability to ressurect himself, as well as resurrecting other demons.
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I'm going Hellboy cause of his series Hellboy in Hell. The demon lords ran away just hearing he was coming there way.
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Demons from Devilman are much more evil and stronger than demons from hellboy, i think...
I mean, Demons from Devil man can merge with other beings to become stronger... merge with another one and once again stronger... and stronger...
And how can you not love the manga with demons like these?
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Nice.... but Hellboy threw down with Lovecraftian horrors, not just demons. It's to my understanding that Devilman has a power to summon a flame that burns all but him and Satan though, right? I'd like to see that power being used in this fight and see what happens.
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Hellboy's a cliche story, it's even inspired by Devilman itself.
So no, Devilman basically wins.
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Where's the source you learned this from? We know he was inspired by Lovecraft, Robert E. Howard's pome "The Right Hand Of Doom" and late night B-Movie monsters but there's nothing that says Devilman influenced Mike in the creating process of Hellboy. Even so, DM hasn't displayed any feats that Hellboy's Magic can't counter.
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it doesn't have to be officially confirmed, don't forget that Satan is always next to Akira, he will get ressurected. Even Satan himself will have a hand on killing Hellboy (he will never allow anyone to kill Devilman),
heck, the Ghost Rider himself will be present in the fight against Hellboy. (sarcasm)
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It doesn't have to be confirmed? Yeah it does.
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Not really, since Berserk, Majuu Sensen and Shin Megami Tensei ripped off Devilman in many aspects, did they officially state that? No.
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Actually the creator of Beserk has stated that he took influence from Devilman.
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Source? Any citations?
Even if he did, this is far from an "influence" or an "inspiration"
Akira and Guts do have the same determination (seeking to kill angels and even God himself for putting him through a lot of mishaps and sorrow), both were close friends with the main antagonists, both fought against the right hands of the main antagonists, and both became gained supernatural powers by merging with demonic entities.)
Ryo and Griffith both were best friends with the main protagonists since the adolescence, and both have made a large emotional impacts for the main protagonists, as well as they do have similar designs that are based on birds.
Amon and the Berserker Armor Demon (both are demonic entities that tried to take over the main protagonists, but ended up imprisoned and became the source of the main protagonists' supernatural powers) Xenon = Zodd (both are the right hands for the main protagonists, both also have similar bat-like designs with horns)
Zennon = Zodd (the deuteragonists of both series, both are demons that assists the main antagonists and made minor conflicts with the main protagonists at some points in the story)
Sonia = Psycho Jenny (despite having two different origins, races and designs, both are devoted to the main antagonists and have the ability to see the future and sense emotions)
Zann = Grunbeld (both are demon army generals and lead army of demons/apostles, both also have similar bulky-designs)
Here are some copied designs in Berserk from Devilman:
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I really wish I could believe the opposite, but I can't. I can't stand how stolen works become so popular and get even more financial success than the original ones, and bothers me even more when someone tries to defend it.
I guess my talking won't be enough of an evidence, so I suggest you read Devilman manga series (including the spin offs) to understand my point of view.
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Multiple interviews that you can find on youtube state this, the Beserk Encyclopedia on SkullKnight.com states this, Wikipedia states it. and this site also states it:
www.manga-audition.com/zenon20…
While my knowledge of Devilman isn't hardcore, I do have some knowledge from TV tropes, wiki's, free manga online scans, and the anime versions. While I see where you are coming from, there are several problems with your analysis. There are several differences between the characters and their motivations. For example, Akira starts out as a timid man who gains the supernatural powers of Amon and then became a savage killer, then he developed into a determination who started fighting against Lucifer and his kind (idk what you are talking about, Angels? The conflict in Devilman, as I have read, is specifically about Lucifer and his demons trying to take back their world against the Humans, while Akira struggles with his demon possession and powers issue). Guts already started out as a mercernary even during his adolescence, who had no cause to fight for (or so he believed) UNTIL he met Griffith and the Band of the Hawk Then he set out to find his own cause because he was so inspired by Griffith and he wanted to be seen as an equal in Griffith's eyes. And Griffith hated that and fell to the clasps of demons in a moment of weakness. Guys then swore revenge as a whole and became even more of a rage-fueled asshole-hacker. But the difference is not that both aren't determined or not, or who is the more determined. It's that Guts isn't only doing things for revenge, he's doing it to take back his life. To get a sense of where he is in his crumbling world. LATER ON we gets his Hellhound and Demon Beserker Armor. Where as Akira had his powers almost from the beginning
Griffith's motivations are also completely different from Ryo's. Ryo aka Lucifer was trying to create a home for demons, which is the reason why God cast him out in the first place, God felt that the demons did not deserve to live, but Lucifer argued that even if they are violent, they have the right regardless. Ryo eventually realized that he was being a hypocrite in leading demons to kill all humans (because he felt that humans were extremely savage as well and didn't deserve to live). Griffith wanted his own kingdom and was chosen during a moment of weakness to become one of the God Hand, and THEN threw away all of his friends. Lucifer fell in love with Akira.
The origins of the demons are also different.
Zodd was never the right hand of Guts, wtf are you talking about.
While there are similarities.
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"Multiple interviews that you can find on youtube state this, the Beserk Encyclopedia on SkullKnight.com states this, Wikipedia states it. and this site also states it"
Sure, where is the link one of those claimed interviews that stated such thing?
The Wikipedia has NOTHING about Devilman, not even Go Nagai.
"www.manga-audition.com/zenon20…"
>Tetsuo Hara
The one who made the Devilman Manga is "Go Nagai"
"who had no cause to fight for (or so he believed) UNTIL he met Griffith and the Band of the Hawk Then he set out to find his own cause because he was so inspired by Griffith and he wanted to be seen as an equal in Griffith's eyes."
Isn't that what happened in the first 3 chapters of Devilman?
"And Griffith hated that and fell to the clasps of demons in a moment of weakness"
Griffith developed deep affection towards Guts, just like Satan/Ryo and Akira; he didn't hate Guts for whatever, but he was extremely jealous of his relationship with Casca, the same scenario with Ryo and Akira's and Miki's relationship, leading Ryo to betray Akira in a certain way and kill him.
Ryo and Griffith also attempted to avoid the fight with the main protagonists, but had to fight either way.
Conclusion to this statement is that both antagonists also are in love with with the main protagonists, however, the main protagonists don't share that with them.
"It's that Guts isn't only doing things for revenge, he's doing it to take back his life. To get a sense of where he is in his crumbling world."
Wow, you really DIDN'T read Devilman at all, but your answer is mostly in Shin Devilman's (Devilman's sequel) epilogue.
"LATER ON we gets his Hellhound and Demon Beserker Armor. Where as Akira had his powers almost from the beginning"
That is not a major difference, and I don't really know why would you even point that out thinking it will change anything, but whether he obtained it later or not, he still did.
"Griffith wanted his own kingdom and was chosen during a moment of weakness to become one of the God Hand, and THEN threw away all of his friends."
If you read the Devilman and it's sequels, Ryo also wanted to build his own kingdom, he didn't give two fucks about the demons, he just wanted to become more than God and rule the whole Earth (maybe it's a far stretched ambition than Griffith's, but that is a trivial extension in the story).
The events in the whole franchise of Devilman that happened on Earth was made by Ryo's own will (for example, making Amon merge with Akira and the existence of Devilman), that's because he is the SON of God and shares similar abilities as God which he uses (sometimes sub-consciously) with his full consciousness.
"The origins of the demons are also different."
The origins of Apostles are ripped from "Hellraiser" as well as God Hand being completely ripped from the Cenobites, the Idea of Evil is also ripped from the Leviathan.
"Zodd was never the right hand of Guts, wtf are you talking about."
I never said he is related to Guts, but Zodd is indeed the right hand of Griffith judging from the relationship between them depicted in the manga.
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First of all, the Cenobites have no specific origin if you read the Hellbound Heart. And the original movie made no specific references to their origin being at all similar. If anything, the Apostles are closer to Nightbreedin origin-wise. This so called "origin" of what the Cenobites came from the second and third movies, created and written AFTER Beserk came out.
And these stories got the idea from various traditional mythological references and stories of someone's inner evil corrupting them and transforming them into something else. It's very prevalent. For example, Warhammer also basically had the same idea of what the magical realm (forgot it's name) before both Hellraiser and Beserk. Moorcock and Terry Pratchet had that origin of how Gods like the Idea of Evil where created before Beserk. It's not the fact that the Idea of Evil is the "source of all Evil", the Idea of evil is the manifested consciousness of humanity's evil, which not only came from the aforementioned authors, but indirectly references psychologists like Carl Jung.
Yes Ryo did care more for himself than others but his origin did include the fact that he argued in defense of the demon race. And yes Griffith did develop feelings for Guts, but as far as we know, it's only speculated whether it was an actual attraction or not (albeit plenty of evidence).
You deliberately "missed" some important parts of what I said about Guts.
And no, Devilman's psychological themes like "finding yourself" are not as prevalent as much as it is in Beserk. Not that they aren't there, but this is still a specific difference.
Yes it is a major difference in plot, because the point IS that Guts already started out as a "badass" with issues BEFORE the Beserker Armor. And that the Hellhound problem is a manifestation of these problems (as per other realm shennanigans). While, aside from his insecurity and timidity, Akira gained his problems after.
Sorry about the link, it was the wrong one.
I stated that Zodd isn't the right hand of Guts because you said that both Zodd and Xenon where both "right hands to the main protagonist".
If anythings, aesthetically, Violence Jack would be closer to how Guts is like.
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The first and the third links are "mobile versions" of the official wikipedia, why is that? Pretty suspicious, I looked at the official wikipedia myself and I had nothing proving that claim, I think someone would've edited it considering that the mobile version is not as stable as the windows version, therefore can be easily edited. The second link, Miura stated that "Berserk is the result of his attempt to fuse the worlds of Fist of the North Star and Rose of Versailles." Devilman or Violence Jack were never mentioned as anything other than being materials that Miura likes to read.
"First of all, the Cenobites have no specific origin if you read the Hellbound Heart. And the original movie made no specific references to their origin being at all similar. If anything, the Apostles are closer to Nightbreedin origin-wise. This so called "origin" of what the Cenobites came from the second and third movies, created and written AFTER Beserk came out."
I really like how you don't look at your sources before making claims, anyway, the origins of the Cenobites was explained "Hellraiser 2" (Dr. Channard and how he became a Cenobite www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmWuwq… Julia also referred to the Leviathan as a god), maybe not in first movie, but it's still a canonical continuation/sequel. Hellbound was released in September 9, 1988, while Berserk came in 1989, besides, the Eclipse happened in "Gaurdian of Desire 4" which was released in October 31, 1991, it's way after the manga was made.
"Warhammer also basically had the same idea of what the magical realm"
That I might agree with, but if you looked closely at some of the designs of the God's Hand from Berserk, you will find a lot of similarities with the Cenobites' designs, and character personalities as well if you're observant enough.
"Idea of evil is the manifested consciousness of humanity's evil"
That also is an unoriginal, there were many stories with manifestations of humanity's sins, evil or hatred.
"Yes Ryo did care more for himself than others but his origin did include the fact that he argued in defense of the demon race."
That again, was for his own benefit, but we don't know if he argued or not, it was just mentioned that they defied God's order.
"And yes Griffith did develop feelings for Guts, but as far as we know, it's only speculated whether it was an actual attraction or not (albeit plenty of evidence). "
Judging from the love scene with him and Princess Charlotte when he had flashbacks of him and Guts while having "sex" as well as crying and breathing hardly, and in Casca's rape scene where he was looking at Guts directly while seducing and raping her, it is safely assumed that he did develop an attraction to Guts, and a rather sexual one.
"You deliberately "missed" some important parts of what I said about Guts. "
What are the important parts which you cited that I "deliberately" ignored?
"And no, Devilman's psychological themes like "finding yourself" are not as prevalent as much as it is in Beserk. Not that they aren't there, but this is still a specific difference."
You just say "no they aren't" without anything to back up your claims, and you do that most of the time.
"Yes it is a major difference in plot, because the point IS that Guts already started out as a "badass" with issues BEFORE the Beserker Armor. And that the Hellhound problem is a manifestation of these problems (as per other realm shennanigans). While, aside from his insecurity and timidity, Akira gained his problems after."
Starting or becoming badass afterwards is again, not a major difference in the plot, you only stating that is just a your own point of view, but it isn't a unique element in the story because again, there are many materials (mangas, games and even movies) which has the main characters start out as BAMFs such as Violence Jack; another Go Nagai material which Berserk ripped off.
The existence of the Hellhound was before Guts, since Schierke stated that the last person who wore it died inside of the berserker armor; the effects of the Hellhound, therefore it's not particularly a manifestation of Guts's mind.
"I stated that Zodd isn't the right hand of Guts because you said that both Zodd and Xenon where both 'right hands to the main protagonist'."
I accidentally put a line which I wanted to remove, but I forgot, I think you would easily notice that.
"If anythings, aesthetically, Violence Jack would be closer to how Guts is like."
Well, Berserk did indeed rip a big portion of Violence Jack (not as much as Devilman though)
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TV Tropes mentions the works of Go Nagai being influential to Beserk AS well as Fist of the North Star.
Well that was a mistake, oops. Okay, even so there are still stories that started WAY before Hellraiser that have similiar concepts to the Cenobites.
"You just say 'no they aren't without anything to back up your claims, which you do that most of the time".
The scene in Beserk when Guts talks to Casca after his whole 100 men battle scene. The scene when Godo talks to Guts about hatred. The scene when Guts talks to Griffith (where he mentions the possible existence of angels and demons). Griffith and Guts second fight scene.
Being badass from the beginning isn't a unique element in a story when you do compare it to many forms of media. However, if you are comparing Devilman and Beserk, it IS a big difference. And yes, Guts being a regular human is a specific difference, as well as fighting for reasons that can't be entirely defined.
"Rip-off" is simply just a term that's been thrown around so much that it doesn't matter anymore. If you look hard enough I'm pretty sure Devilman wouldn't be seen as original. Everything takes some influence from something else, it's how the writer "weaves" (for lack of a better term) it into the story that defines whether something is a "rip-off" or just being "influenced". Beserk is its own story as compared to Devilman.
Either way, what does Hellboy have to do with Devilman anyway? There's only one similarity, and that's the involvement with Demons. The stories are aesthetically different and have different goals. Not only that but Hellboy has a completely different personality that Akira
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Where? Literally the only thing that was mentioned is that Go Nagai's works (Devilman and Violence Jack) are just reading materials for Miura.
But again, the story set and the designs the idea of how they were born are the same, even if there are other series.
You are just trying to convince yourself, while we both know it really isn't a unique concept for it to be a big difference, besides, wasn't Akira already in trouble when Ryo put him in? They both fought their way to the secret hideout Ryo made, Akira was one hell of a competent shotgun banger (when he killed a selection of demons on the road) back in Chapter 1; he didn't even hesitate. Maybe it was a very short period before he gained his ability, but he did go through trouble no normal human went through AND survived. Also what fighting reasons?
Kozo Makimura, Dosuroku and Jinmen to Akira. Ryo and Akira's first negotiation. Ryo and Akira's first battle and the final negotiation between them.
Here are also some things I found very very similar to Berserk: i3.mangareader.net/devilman/5/…
(I can't seem to find the image in the Berserk manga right now, but I believe Griffith had said the same thing; wanting to feel no regret and no remorse)
i8.mangareader.net/devilman/5/…
h.mfcdn.net/store/manga/176/39…
The comparison above contradicts your words when you said that he just wants to have his own Country, Guts's words explains that Griffith wants more than just a "Country", he has a far stretched goal (similar to Ryo's determination).
"'Rip-off' is simply just a term that's been thrown around so much that it doesn't matter anymore."
It does (maybe not for you, because you seem to be one of those who would love anything that's popular and up to date even if it's a knock-off), infact, a lot of people use it these days.
For a manga in the Japanese industry, it is original.
This is far from an influence, when the author does a copy paste fashioned setting, it's caused from "lack of innovation"; the writer/artist isn't lively or educated enough to write his own storyline or/and characters.
Right now, you only compared minor implements with major ones, which makes this a completely weak argument.
Hellboy (son of the Devil) who has an alter ego (Anung Un Rama) that activates at a certain point and makes Hellboy lose control over himself. Humans possessed by demons. I can cite more, but you can just get a glimpse of it.
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Sorry, I meant Griffith wants his own kingdom, that was a typo. However, even so, Lucifer did argue in favor of the demons against God, which provides a different backstory and a difference in motivation. Griffith always wanted power, and never really directly stated that he would make things better for other people (though it's probably implied).
"What fighting reasons?"---The scene in Beserk where Guts contemplates his place while fighting 100 men. The scene in which Godo talks about how the hate Guts feels. Casca in general. Any introverts so Guts moment.
Ryo said "I don't need those feelings anymore". Griffith DID say something similair, but it was more that he was pretending like it didn't even happen, and at THIS point he was the savior.
Plus Ryo/Lucifer actually cried when he won the fight at the end of the manga, he had an epiphany. As far as I've seen this hasn't happened to Griffith.
Just because a lot of people use a term doesn't automatically mean that it isn't overused. And I don't always like something more just because it is more up to date, I'm just more disillusioned about the concept of originality because I am furstrated with everyone coming up with ideas before I was born. I-I-I mean I don't always see eye to eye with the idea of something being a ripoff just because it has some key similarities. Plus even you yourself already stated that Beserk takes more from just Devilman, like the Guin Saga, Hellraiser, Fire and Blood, and Conan (a bit). I believe that if one takes from so many sources and then attempts to make it their own story, doesn't automatically make their work worthy of being called a rip off or knock off, unless it's so blatant that EVERY ASPECT of the story is the same except for name. However, there are minor, but KEY concepts of lore and aspects that make it different. Now does that make Beserk "original"? Well....not exactly, and whatever originality one interprets is only because it is their own interpretarion. As for innovation, that's up to the eye of the beholder.
Those concepts mentioned in terms of Hellboy are all concepts from mythology and even earlier pieces of media. Demons possessing humans? The Exorcist did it before Devilman, and various stories did so before.
Again, there are plenty of differences in Beserk and Devilman's story to warrant it being different.
Anung Un Rama isn't an alter ego in the same way that Devilman/Amon is for Akira. Anung is for all intensive purposes Hellboy himself, Amon possessed/merged with Akira. Hero with dark power that could bring the end of the world? Moorcock did it before Nagai did. In fact, the earliest satanic-power using character that hasn't been used in ancient mythology is the Monk (look it up on internationalheroes.uk. Not only that, but Hellboy and Akira have distinctly different personalities. Hellboy also has a far more extensive cast as far as I've seen; and Hell isnt the main enemy in Hellboy, there are way more supernatural and human factions that play a difference.
Trying to compare Hellboy to Devilman in a similair manner invalides the whole "for a Japanese manga , it is original" aspect of the arguement. Who's to say that it wasn't based on previous stories?
There is far more influence from early 20th century literature, mythology and pulp/genre fiction than there is Devilman
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So this is just your fan theory? Does sound hype but Red is already destined to bring the end of days, even Death herself has confirmed this. And let's not forget his road trip through hell when the Demon Lords actually ran away upon recieving word that HB was heading their direction.
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This is no theory, it's a fact, we are talking about Satan / Lucifer himself here, you can't compare a mere Demon with the Devil himself.
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see this is why people hate anime fans, putting aside your completely groundless Hellboy is a rippoff tantrum anime like devilman is fun because its about absurdly powerful creatures beating the bloody hell out of each other but hellboy is an narrative driven deconstruction of classic "weird fiction" productions they are both great for vastly different reasons that is why it is entertaining to see them come together for their few similarities.
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Wow, you're taking a "fantasy" story so seriously, aren't you? I'm not a fanboy like you sadly, and I'm not the one who made this completely stupid and unfair comparison, either.
"AH I HATE ANIME, I DONT LIKE IT" well, go drink bleach somewhere else, I never asked you whether you like it or not. I was stating a fact from the Anime and the Story. Hellboy is a mortal, Satan is not. Go ahead and try to disprove the facts.
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you didn't even read my comment did you? or you read part of it and just made up the rest well either that or you are a very amateur troll, Id ignore this one if I were you passing commentators as for me I am pulling out.
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I did read it, and as I also never said that it was a rip-off nor I intended to do that. You pushed it too far when you tried to twist my words.
Devilman is also a Weird Fictional story, atleast the Manga if you read it. I bet you're just pointing stuff out from the OVAs and the Anime, but didn't look at the original content.
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So then Hellboy already won this match, cause he beat The Devil in Hellboy In Hell.
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doesn't count if it was a "backstab" + when we're talking about Satan from the Devilman, Satan is invincible, Hellboy is pretty much a mortal and he's not even the strongest Abe Sapien. I doubt he will be kept in one piece even if he defeated Devilman... imagine him being wounded like shit while encountering Satan; the invincible ruler of Hell.
Satan will ressurect Devilman, even if he was killed, nonetheless.
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Hellboy: Blood & Iron, shows how much punishment Hellboy can take without tiring or bleeding. As for Satan being a threat to him, he might have been if Cthulhu didn't pop up in the HB/Star Man/Batman crossover. Plus, if DM's only hope of winning is he needs to tag team Red with their dad, I call that an acknowledgment of defeat.
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Again, Satan is a mortal and Hellboy is not. Nuff said.
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Why yes, that's why HB would win.
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In the logic of Fanboyism: Yes.
In reality: No.
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You need to proof read your comments then man, you agreed with me in the last one you sent. Plus, Red kills immortals all the time, kinda the perk of knowing all the magic he knows.
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When did I? quote me please. Red is a devil at the end of the day and he is not the strongest Abe Sapien, nobody said that Ctulthu was an immortal, either, since Satan himself wasn't immortal in that timeline.
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Again, reread the comments up above. You said "Satan is mortal, Hellboy isn't, Nuff Said." Actually he's the son of the devil and even the lords of Hell ran from him when they heard he was coming there way (Read Hellboy In Hell) and the whole point to Cthulhu is that he IS immortal, hence the line "Instranger eons even death may die." That why Mr. Sapien is one of the Deep Ones from the Cthulhu Mythos. And why do you believe one Satan is immortal and not the other?
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I don't know who would win.
How about Devil Man vs. Hulk
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Hmm.
Devilman's Satan.
And then She fuses them together into Jack. Makes a lot more sense.
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Actually, Akira was reincarnated by Satan (who has Ryo Asuka's body and memories) and became Violence Jack.
Sometime in the story of Violence Jack, Ryo/Satan somehow reanimated Miki (which is weird, due to her apparent death in the Devilman manga) and both eventually fell in love. They worked in a restaurant together, until they defied Slum King, somehow, and became Dog People.
Afterwards, during the events of Violence Jack, Ryo transformed himself into Satan and killed Slum King, marrying the widowed Slum Queen and used the alias of "Skull King".
Skull King / Satan / Ryo Asuka fought Violence Jack and lost his memory after falling from an Earthquake, he then slowly regained his memories during Shin Violence Jack.
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Devilishly cool scenario.
But, I think after punching each other for a bit they'd team up and clobber whatever villain instigated the crossover. That's how these situations usually unfold.
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Devilman would rip Hellboy in two, much stronger than him. Both are cool though.
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no matter the outcome if these two were to fight humans would be the real losers...
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