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LaviArray — Let's Fix Archie's Sonic Part 3: Theming Problems
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Published: 2016-03-07 00:00:09 +0000 UTC; Views: 2445; Favourites: 7; Downloads: 0
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Description Regardless of genre, demographic or medium, every narrative combines several elements to for a central focus to relay to the audience. It could be an idea, a concept, a moral, an experience or a combination of these elements for the audience to receive, a thesis. What bothers me about this comic is that it doesn’t seem to have a thesis. I gave massive sections to character and story structure because that is where most narratives tend to put their focus, either by following a character’s journey or setting up a specific conflict and following the events around it. However, like I said before, the character writing is non-existent for the mains and the story doesn’t focus on any particular conflict or event in the overall narrative. Yes, the comic is based around the fight between Sonic vs Eggman, but the story spends time in smaller story arcs that come off more like side stories as they don’t forward anything with the main conflict. So if it isn’t going for character narrative or a story driven conflict, what is it going for? Short version? I have no idea. Long version?

When it comes to theming, the 2 themes the series portrays itself for are family and freedom. “Hey, that’s its thesis right?” Maybe, except it fails to do either from lack of effort and content. The family theming seems to be trying for a “the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb” vibe, having the main characters have strong relationships with each other versus their relationships to their families. This mainly coming from the fact that many of the leads have strained relationships with their biological family and the friendship platitudes Sonic and Sally like to preach about how close the main cast are to each other. However, this theme fails because nothing in the comic supports it.

I could go into how each of the biological relationships are handled poorly and leave nothing to be explored, or that the main leads, Sonic and Tails, don’t have any family relationships which leaves them unable to be a part of said theme, but the biggest issue is that nothing comes from it. Yes, characters have family members, but nothing happens in story to question what a family is, the ups and downs of being in a family, or anything to help redefine what a family is. The closest we get is from Nicole and Dr. Ellidy, but not only do these 2 not interact for the most part, the conflict with these two is made into a Sally and Dr.Ellidy conflict, which weakens the family connection between the original pairing. And then it just turns into a character arc for Dr. Ellidy after Sally chastises him.

The freedom fighters are supposed to be this family like how other team casts tend to like in One Piece or Fairy Tail, but most of their interactions are dumping exposition or exchanging plan details, leaving no room for relationship building or exploring. The times they do talk to one another, it’s either about one person telling the other to get over their problems, Sonic to Rotor, Nicole to Sally, etc. Or it’s Bunnie and Antoine flirting with each other with empty “I wuv you” speeches as again, they never talk or relate to each other outside of their back story.  And the saddest part is that family theme is the stronger of the 2 themes.


Freedom has always been an element of the franchise, from the games, to the TV shows, and even the comic originally. However, as the comic has progressed, the only reason freedom is a theme is because the characters say it, the story on the other does nothing to support it. The comic was originally about a small group of characters fighting against a mad scientist, who wanted to take over the world and could turn living beings into robots, setting up the freedom vs control dynamic. Now, nothing supports this dynamic as the elements that did are gone. Eggman, while still wants to control the world, no longer robotizises others, most of his lackeys work for him willingly and the characters are no longer a small group of rebels but now are essentially agents of a kingdom, within a collective of superpowers against Eggman. Even on a smaller level like episodic stories is it not supported as the conflicts have little to nothing to do with exploring or defining freedom. Chasing down a train to get 2 kidnapped people, an inexperienced priestess not giving up her job when someone tells her to stop, getting over being humiliated in a battle tournament, accepting that your father is working for the villain, have nothing to do with freedom. The werehog arc tries to be about freedom, but it ends with saying that you should give in to your curse and it will work for you.

The only way this series having a freedom theming now is because the characters mention it over and over again without going into what it means. Freedom is good and Control is bad. Even going so far to frame it that way when Sonic talks about wanting to get control of himself.

Sonic: “I don’t want to risk losing control and hurting my friends.”

Moss: “You are a free spirit child…You resist “Control” to your very core. What you must learn is acceptance.”

Mighty: “Besides all this talk of “Controlling” You? You know who would say that?”

(cut to Eggman)

The series could be going for either acceptance due to stories like this or exploring good vs evil like with the Shamar freedom fighters, however, neither of these work. Acceptance is constantly used in a way for the characters, and by extension the audience, to stop thinking about a problem and trying to solve it and just accept that it happened, regardless of how little sense it makes story wise. Did you become a robot for no reason and hurt tons of your friends and now feel guilty about it? Accept it and move on. Did you become a complete idiot during a fight and embarrass yourself on international television? Accept it and move on. Find out your Dad is a villain and looks down on you? Accept it and move on. It comes off more as a repetitive excuse rather than a theme.

The Shamar Freedom fighters trying to keep the peace and protect their citizens from fighting by working with an Eggman villain could work except their argument has no basis in the main narrative. One, the mains have been shown to protect civilians during fights and catastrophes so challenging the leads on their attitude to their hero work not keeping the peace has no basis. Two, and more problematically, they can’t challenge the leads on how to deal with Eggman because there isn’t anywhere to go. They either admit that the Shamar Freedom Fighters are right, they try to compromise with Eggman and work with him to have peace, which at best turns the series into a cold war with not much to do and breaks the premise. Or the comic proves the Shamar freedom fighters are wrong and nothing of value was obtained and the entire arc is pointless.

So, yeah, I find this series to be thematically and philosophically bankrupt, with it not saying anything or doing anything in its setup for the audience to think about in their own lives. But maybe it isn’t trying to be. Maybe the series is just meant to be action driven and only do spectacles. However, this series fails at that too.

Continued in Part 4
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DogDays11 [2020-12-31 20:52:42 +0000 UTC]

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DogDays11 [2020-12-31 20:49:12 +0000 UTC]

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akessel92 [2016-03-10 06:21:12 +0000 UTC]

OK first off on the first part, REALLY?! I believe you are off on this. Mostly because the smaller arcs have everything to forward the main saga. (I.e. the key guardians and emeralds and whatever elements leading up to the end which is in sight.)

Look I understand sonic and tails may not have family but how does it exempt them when they themselves are in a sense and have been brothers. As for Nicole and ellidy, they do interact however briefly,enough to establish that ellidy wanted to have nothing to do with her and treated her as a common program. But it's only when Sally chastises him as a not just princess but an old family about it. Its then he realizes that not only shut old friends out but that Nicole is something special.

For the freedom element, you are beyond off. Eggman still puts animals in his badniks, and his lackeys are far from willing cohorts. Not just in the case of nepthys and clove, but because egg bosses like tundra, hood, akhulut, etc., bought in or sold out to join eggman so they can gain power over their regions that they never enjoyed before. However, at the cost they have to extract resources, trap, terrorize, and enslave others under his banner or other missions that wouldn't want to do. Also the freedom fighters are not agents of a kingdom or an alliance. They are only funded by king acorn to operate and often times operate on their own discretion. They're more or less an NGO.

Now the examples you wrote for the side stories are misinterpreted and can fit the freedom theme. Chasing down a train with two scientists with info that could mean restoring the planet or enslaved in darkness, getting a a young priestess freedom to express her abilities fully in front of a doubtful and pessimistic populace, and REALIZING that your father works for the villain and has terrorized and locked people up against their will and standing against everything you stand by. Now the werehog arc can be seen more as about as about acceptance but its more about accepting that your not free from forgetting your mistakes but you are free of not letting them define you. I say this because the werehog transformation in this saga is on of many legacies left behind from worlds collide, a result of a mistake.

I really dislike how you present some of the themes as this excuse of "accept it and move on" when that's not how its portrayed. Rather more like: "it happend, its bad that it happened but before that happened you always chose to be good and I valued you as a friend and so do all the rest of our friends and we still do and continue to because we know we can get through it and I know you can do all this stuff cause you chose to."

The shamar freedom fighters' argument has a basis. As they only saw both eggman and sonic as people of fame and infamy. They only know them from what they heard and not fully as they only saw him and three of his friends just barge in guns blazing without knowing the repercussions eggman would inflict on not just those who serve hi!m and fail but the entire region as well for not giving in to him and continually defy him. (See adventure games)

So I think its from bankrupt as you put it. The only thing bankrupt is your analysis and just dickish this damned complain fest of yours is.

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CAT-ATACK [2016-03-08 18:59:56 +0000 UTC]

I agree with the points here completely, and once again I gotta say a full reboot with much lighter mandates would have fixed a lot of these problems.

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Dukect [2016-03-07 07:19:57 +0000 UTC]

A very good piece here on why Archie Sonic themes are all over the place. And while toaarcan.deviantart.com Makes some good points about how Sega mandates are kneecaping the potential for good to great story telling. I think that mobians on the side of Eggman/Robotnick are not stupid. Now here me out as we know they are many branches of Freedom Fighters on Mobius or Sonic's World ( Fuck Sega/Archie for that stupid name by the by). They were some that were how do you say a lot less noble than our main heroes like the Sand blasters.

Say they were a Freedom Fighter branch that looked good say all the right things to the main branch but were just as cruel as Robotnick to the most of the town/village they liberated the towns folk rebel thanks to the help of the some Dark Egg Legion warriors and by the time the Main Branch figure out what's happen you got a whole town not only allied with the Dark Egg Legion but hate the Freedom Fighters especially the main branch who did nothing to help them at all and away you go.

A nice little storyline right there I know it's not Eisner award winning storyline but I think it would show why some would join up with Robotnick and show to the main branch that they need to be more through on who can be apart of the Freedom Fighters.     

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LaviArray In reply to Dukect [2016-03-07 09:07:51 +0000 UTC]

Thanks! And your ideas are nice too! 

Actually, I got a question for you. What mandates do you feel are hindering the series?

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Dukect In reply to LaviArray [2016-03-09 07:10:24 +0000 UTC]

Well mostly its the Sega mandates

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LaviArray In reply to Dukect [2016-03-13 22:16:44 +0000 UTC]

Ok here is the thing though, being devil's advocate, how do the mandates cause any major problems?

Most of the ones I've seen are the same ones that all franchises have, besides Family and crying, both of which I agree with Sega on.

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ToaArcan [2016-03-07 03:14:30 +0000 UTC]

Pretty spot-on here.

The family theme worked a little bit better in the old universe, at least with Tails, but that's because when Flynn pitched up, he turned Amadeus into an idiot and Rosemary into a genuinely unpleasant person. It also worked a bit more with Sally by setting it up as her father being a dickcheese and her being torn between living her own life or living up to his expectations of her. However, in both cases, this fell apart. Tails' issues with his parents were rarely ever important because of SEGA's stranglehold on what can and can't be done with him. Meanwhile, Sally never really manages to overcome her issues. She doesn't choose the "adoptive" family of the Freedom Fighters and go against her father to make a point of the theme, or embrace her heritage but do it her own way rather than adhering to traditions. Instead, her responsibilities as heir are quickly taken away by the return of Elias, the whole situation was an elaborate plot by a D-list villain, and Max quickly goes senile after that and it stops being a problem.

The fact that Eggman's army is mainly willing converts is a headscratcher in and of itself. Flynn has tried to provide us with reasons why people would want to work for him, but most of them can be picked apart, and while I do think that the recent B-story with Clove and Cassia made it look more like stupidity on Clove's part that got them into that position, it does demonstrate why you'd have to be an idiot to work with Eggman. He has no concept of loyalty, honour, or anything that could make him a reliable leader. In gloating to Clove and explaining his dickery with Cassia's treatment, all he's doing is giving her a reason to betray him the moment someone else finds a way to fix her problems. Eggman is the definition of stupid, petty evil, and Flynn wants us to see him as A) The Big Bad, and B) An occasional villain protagonist.

Let's be honest: THere's a damn good reason that most of the Sonic games that took themselves even slightly seriously had someone else be the villain every time.


To be fair to Archie, a lot of these issues are caused by SEGA's mandates. The conflict between Sonic and Eggman is a permanent stalemate, because it has to be. But Eggman is such an incompetent character and Sonic is so powerful that it would only take one stint as Super Sonic to permanently cripple his empire, destroy his base, and capture him, so there's always something else that happens instead.

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akessel92 In reply to ToaArcan [2016-03-08 04:38:53 +0000 UTC]

I don't think the egg bosses are interpreted as willing converts as you say they are. Rather it's textbook cohersion and also may I say a certain fundamental method of imperialism (something you British blokes would know better I can also say the same for mine most certainly) a little something called indirect rule. Having some other ruler hold rule over an area, and do whatever so long as it's getting him resources. Also, in this system he doesn't have to be a good leader of an empire so long as it's of use with its resources.

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LaviArray In reply to ToaArcan [2016-03-07 08:55:14 +0000 UTC]

Thanks.

That is the thing that bothers me about this comic. There is tons of potential to do anything but Flynn does nothing with it or removes elements that could be interesting.

I feel like he did that so he could have mini bosses under eggman that have personalities and character traits but that logic makes no sense for a villain to have inefficient workers underneath him. Especially in mass numbers like in the comic.

I'll get more into this in part 5, but Eggman could be a decent antagonist as is, but he shouldn't be the only one nor should he be the main driving force of the story like he is now. 

He could cause a problem in a location every once in a while or even something on a global scale, but not as the empire leader he is now.

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Mavrickindigo In reply to LaviArray [2016-03-07 14:39:59 +0000 UTC]

Oh, yes. I was extremely disappointed when Eggman didn't lose the empire in the reboot. Cutting him from Robo-Robotnik should have been complete, and not just skin deep.

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ToaArcan In reply to Mavrickindigo [2016-03-07 14:56:37 +0000 UTC]

Especially since it was an empire he only kept because he's a SEGA character. An Archie original would've got knifed in the back by Lien-Da or Snively a lot sooner.

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