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[Edited - to remove "free" confusion"]Often language is used to ridicule a contrary view by placing a negative stigma contrary to reality. Does name-calling change reality? No... There are realities beyond language...
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with a stamp like this shoving if your not a christian your going to hell i can see why people might beΒ christophobe'sΒ
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Shoving?Β Why is it that any Christian message or statement appears to you as shoving?Β Does that mean that everyone who makes a statement they believe in is shoving and thus "politically incorrect"?Β I made a deviation for this:
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be a Christian or burn in hell believe what we believe or burn in hell think like us or burn in hell not a Christian your going to burnΒ in hell born in another religion your going to hell Β
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You seem to have a distorted view of the true message.Β The message of the Cross is not about Hell... it is about Eternal Life, for God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Now, if your problem is the sharing of the message of the Cross... let me ask you.Β If you were well informed and knew that a bridge in your town going over a mile long drop had suddenly collapsed and you saw your immediate family or best friends going down the road at 55 miles per hour... would you warn them? or would you prefer for them to simply meet their demise, because, oh well... everyone should do what they please?Β Woudn't you be morally responsible for your family and friend's death?Β
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lol problem the only problem are the Christians that cant keep there mouth shut and keep shoving everything in your face you know I I'm sick of hearing if your not a Christian are god will send you to hell I actually rather share this world with pagans and wiccans at less there not annoying.
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I see you did not answer my question.Β Why?Β Because you don't seem to like the logic behind it or you are not interested on the truth but to get "your" point across to "Christians".Β Why pursue an antichrist lifestyle, when hell was NOT created for you?Β As previously stated, your distorted view of God's purpose for your life isn't real.Β Christ came to give you "eternal life" and there is NOTHING any man can do to earn that. It is a FREE gift received by recognizing that God himself died on a Cross for you.
Kindly think about your argument as it contradicts itself.Β You are guilty of the very same thing you try to pin on others.Β For example, you come to a Christian's deviation and you claim that we:
"cant keep there mouth shut and keep shoving everything in your face..." Excuse me, but isn't that the very same thing you are attempting to do?
However, as Christians, we are commanded by God to spread the good news of the Gospel.Β It is our role and command.Β Therefore, we make no excuse for speaking of Christ, speaking of His love, and speaking of His sacrifice on the Cross of Calvary for people like you and me. Β
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people are both good and bad , whether they believe in a god or not
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you don't need god to be good , and you don't not need god to be bad
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Where do you get the concept of "good" and "bad" from?
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where else .... society
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So did society determine Though shall not murder?Β Though shall not lie?
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we decided that on our own
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Sure... once it was given.Β Our modern judicial system was form by the same "moral values"
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despite popular belief , america's laws are NOT based on the bible
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I find your faith in God a very powerful thing, and for that i admire you. I'm an atheist but i mean you no harsh words because i believe that even if we don't believe in the same things we are all brothers and sisters inside our species.
I've read comments and your replies and i must say you that I really like how you can answer everything so calmly and always being respectful.
Just wanted to say that
Have a great day!
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Thank you so much for your comment.Β Have a great day!
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Reality?
You are talking like everyone believes what you believe.
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Whether anyone believes what I do, is irrelevant.
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The way you spoke in this stamp makes it feel so.
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Freedom of expression is a wonderful gift paid by the blood of many in my nation. Whether one believes as me or not, is irrelevant. "I" believe what I say and "I" stand by my words.
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Fair enough.
I suppose I had misunderstood your intentions.
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It's ok... tell me, what concerns you?
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About what is said in the stamp.
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basically all that was said above. nothing more really.
being agnostic, I don't have a problem with either spiritual belief or non-belief. I just tend to get a little ticked when others feel like they're superior.
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I understand... my statement on the stamp really has nothing to do with superiority, it deals with the constant intolerance towards people who have a different position. It is an attack by the very people who argued that their position was not respected and suddenly it is them who are intolerant.
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I still believe I will survive without a single Christ..
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life is just the beginning of eternity.
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Lol!. While I am not a Christian myself I find it "funny" how the anti-christians get all nervous and crazy in arguments. They are the ones who start with the insults and screams...
Curious and nicely done stamp
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Thank you so much
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What if you aren't a christian? Are you telling others with this stamp that even though you don't believe in god he is there? What proof do you have besides the bible. I believe in God but I am a wiccan christian too. Calling people a christophobe doesn't change the fact whether they believe in God or not. I do remember reading and I don't know which book or chapter in the bible that Jesus said, let me judge you and don't judge anyone else. If I decide to do something that is forbidden in the bible then that quarrel is between me and God. No one else is allowed to interfere. God is a shepherd and we are sheep according to some parts of the bible and it is God's job to herd us and judge us...and i hope you know what i mean. Why people want to change others is beyond me. It's not your life and your not the one living it. It doesn't damn your soul to hell if you don't change people who are doing something wrong. Things like murder are wrong as well because you are taking a life that doesn't even belong to you. As long as something you do with your religion doesn't harm or hurt other people then why is there such an issue? Bleh...sorry for the long comment but this all came to mind from reading your stamp!
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Hello,
First, the purpose and message of the stamp deals with another issue. However, I will address your questions and statements.
What if you aren't a christian? Are you telling others with this stamp that even though you don't believe in god he is there?
Absolutely... as a Christian it is my responsibility. [link]
What proof do you have besides the bible.
How do you call yourself a Christian "wiccan" (which in fact is an oxymoron) if you were to ask me a question that implies that you blindly believe something you have no proof for?
RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE- Do Not Judge?
This assertion, however, is simply false, as the Bible clearly speaks out not against passing judgment in general, but against rendering inaccurate and unfair judgments (Prov. 24:23; 31:9; John 7:24). Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 2:15 that Christians are called to make βjudgments about all things.β Our judgment, though, should not be based on what God has not revealed, rather on what he has revealed and not on human wisdom alone (v. 13).
Why people want to change others is beyond me. It's not your life and your not the one living it.
My young lad, you need to spend some time learning what God in fact says and you will understand the importance of convincing others otherwise for Eternal Salavation:
"... keep yourselves in Godβs love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life. Be merciful to those who doubt; save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fearβhating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh. Jude 1:21-23
It doesn't damn your soul to hell if you don't change people who are doing something wrong.
So let me give you an example of what you are saying. You are implying that if you are going down a road and reach a precipice where a bridge has fallen down leading to ultimate death of anyone who may fall, you decide that you down't have any responsibility to tell others of the danger ahead and simply let them fall to their ultimate death? This precipice is called Eternal damnation, for those who do evil, yet you have the solution for their lives by simply saying to them the bridge of your life has fallen down and if you do not turn around you will ultimately die, yet you believe you have no responsibility? Only a callous, heartless person will see others on their way to doom, and not stop them. Christ however, told us to "save them by snatching them from the fire". Nothing can damn your soul but ones very own poor decisions.
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the first thing i would like to address because i didn't word it right, even though you tell them are you telling them they have to believe? Sure you believe and I believe but are you going to keep telling them, God is there you HAVE to believe in him. How is that fair? I believe a person can be told the options and they have the right to choose no matter if it's not what you believe.
The Wiccan Christian isn't an oxymoron, wiccan is a derivation of paganism, and Christianity has taken and does have very similar elements to Wiccan and paganism. The asking of do you have any proof besides the bible was just a question some one would ask you. For example this little snippet of a thing I have heard is as goes with it edited to make it shorter. "Can you see God? No. Can you touch God? No. Then by all laws of nature god isn't there. Then one of the student asks " Can you see or touch your brain? No. But isn't it still there? Yes. There is no cold only absence of heat. The absence of something is what gets people to believe.
Finding God is something most have to do on their own. Sure tell them the consequences, but if they believe it's not there, they will never believe it. Telling people about the whole eternal damnation thing is in my opinion a priest's job, not mine. I can ask them if they want to join me and hear the word of God, but in the end if they want to walk down a road I don't want to walk down then that is their choice.
Oh and I am a woman.... i saw that you had typed Lad somewhere in there.
I believe God grows with each passing generation, having realizations that we all have. We are created in his image.
Sorry about the grammar and punctuation..
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the first thing i would like to address because i didn't word it right, even though you tell them are you telling them they have to believe? Sure you believe and I believe but are you going to keep telling them, God is there you HAVE to believe in him. How is that fair? I believe a person can be told the options and they have the right to choose no matter if it's not what you believe.
I am not the Holy Spirit, my only responsibility is to tell them. βGo into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
Nobody denies the right to choose... "Without free will, how shall God judge the world? Without grace, how shall God save the world?"
The Wiccan Christian isn't an oxymoron, wiccan is a derivation of paganism, and Christianity has taken and does have very similar elements to Wiccan and paganism.
Again, perhaps you need to take some time and read Scriptures so that you can clearly understand what "paganism" is and how does God look upon it. Orthodox Christianity has NOTHING to do with paganism. God warns us to avoid wickedness and paganism. The Bible is very clear about its condemnation of witchcraft and its various forms. I can provide you a list of passages in Scriptures that condemns the sinful practice if you wish.
The asking of do you have any proof besides the bible was just a question some one would ask you. For example this little snippet of a thing I have heard is as goes with it edited to make it shorter.
No, I can see my brain if I wished to. There is NO absence of God or evidence that demonstrates who He is. Jesus Christ was a LIVING proof of who He is. While it is true that we are not local-positivist who believe only what we can see and touch, and it is true that we believe in FAITH, we must keep in mind that Jesus Christ LIVES and He is evidence.
Finding God is something most have to do on their own.
"How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: βHow beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!β Romans 10:13-15
While it is true that nobody comes to God unless God himself allows them to see, it is not only our responsibility to tell everyone about God, but a command we clearly see in a passage I already gave you:
Mark 16:15-16 "He said to them, βGo into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."
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Why do you have to bold the words? Again, one may not believe the same way as you. If you know what paganism is and look at it compared to christianity from a none biased view point you would see that they have a great deal in common. My religion is dear to me, and you can't change that, just like I can't change yours.
But you can't physically see God. And I was fighting for you side saying God is real...but I'm sorry you didn't see it like that.
What if they believe in Buddha? Buddha was real, and Buddhist might see the Christian God as their devil. Open you mind and use your own words. Scripture is good and all but I want to hear it from your point of view, not a book.
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Why do you have to bold the words?
Emphasis intended, why else?
If you know what paganism is and look at it compared to christianity from a none biased view point you would see that they have a great deal in common.
Contrary to your presupposition, I can only use a point of reference of validity, that is the Bible. The term Pagan (Greek: (2) words translated are telesphoreo [telesforevw] and eqnoΓ/ethnos/ethnikos) is ALWAYS used in a negative connotation of sinful practice contrary to God's Word or foreign nations not worshiping the true God. Here are just a few:
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Isaiah 2:5-9 NIV
"Come, descendants of Jacob, let us walk in the light of the Lord. You, Lord, have abandoned your people, the descendants of Jacob. They are full of superstitions from the East; they practice divination like the Philistines and embrace pagan customs. Their land is full of silver and gold; there is no end to their treasures. Their land is full of horses; there is no end to their chariots. Their land is full of idols; they bow down to the work of their hands, to what their fingers have made. So people will be brought low and everyone humbled β do not forgive them.
Isaiah 57:7-8 NIV
"You have made your bed on a high and lofty hill; there you went up to offer your sacrifices. Behind your doors and your doorposts you have put your pagan symbols. Forsaking me, you uncovered your bed, you climbed into it and opened it wide; you made a pact with those whose beds you love, and you looked with lust on their naked bodies.
Lamentations 1:9-11 (NIV) - A lamentation to God for Zion's sin (Israel):
"Her filthiness clung to her skirts; she did not consider her future. Her fall was astounding; there was none to comfort her. βLook, Lord, on my affliction, for the enemy has triumphed.β The enemy laid hands on all her treasures; she saw pagan nations enter her sanctuary β those you had forbidden to enter your assembly.
Amos 7: 9,
Then the Lord said, βLook, I am setting a plumb line among my people Israel; I will spare them no longer.
βThe high places of Isaac will be destroyed and the sanctuaries of Israel will be ruined; with my sword I will rise against the house of Jeroboam. β [...] βTherefore this is what the Lord says: "βYour wife will become a prostitute in the city, and your sons and daughters will fall by the sword. Your land will be measured and divided up, and you yourself will die in a pagan[*] country. And Israel will surely go into exile, away from their native land. ββ (*=Hebrew - an unclean)
Matthew 6:6-8 NIV
"But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
Matthew 6:31-33 NIV
"So do not worry, saying, βWhat shall we eat?β or βWhat shall we drink?β or βWhat shall we wear?β For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well."
Matthew 18:16-17 NIV
"But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that βevery matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.β If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
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Therefore, as we see, I have an impartial and powerful source... God himself saying that paganism is sin and has no communion with God.
My religion is dear to me, and you can't change that, just like I can't change yours.
You have free will. However, I just wanted to correct your erroneous comparison of Wicca and Paganism with Christianity as there is none whatsoever.
Scripture is good and all but I want to hear it from your point of view, not a book.
This is not just a "book", it is God's Word and instruction to men that describes the History of the redemption of man. When it comes to God and the salvation of men, my opinion is pointless and irrelevant. The first law of proper Biblical Hermeneutics says, The Bible is its best own interpreter", it does not need our help when it is quite clear.
You have a blessed day.
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im saying that science has save more people than Christ ever could.
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Hmmm... you have such a horizontal view of things... local positivism. If you expanded your view to a more vertical one and looked at eternity you would understand who is saving more than science. t a more important note of understanding, if a sick person does not go to a Doctor and ignores his disease, he will also die without hope.
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eternity? Seriously?
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as if to imply that humans can even conceive of such things.
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You need to learn Thermodynamics 101
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