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I have a lot of friends on DA who have been dealing with a sort of contagious and deep-seated depression. There seems to be a very serious draining of self-confidence on this website, and while I can't say for sure the source (I suspect it's something to do with the fact that we are all drowning in pony porn and endless anime fan art), I would like to say a few words on the feeling of loss and failure, because I think it's something that we are all struggling with here on DA.
I know what it is like, all too well, to pour your heart and soul into a piece of art, and watch it die in obscurity.
For a very good chunk of time now, i have tried to break into writing. I have written a number of short stories, submitted them, and watched them be rejected by publication after publication. Not simply rejected: there's no grandiosity in it, no criticism, no remarks or comments, nothing but the bland, almost robotic letter saying "Goodbye and Thanks for all the Fish" that every pathetic schlub with Microsoft Word gets in his email. I understand all too well the poem about when Jesus went to Birmingham, and decided that the passion Cross was preferable to the complete apathy of modern man: better the grandiose and almost theatrical torments of Dante's hell than the petty ennui of Hades as told by Sartre or CS Lewis. A rejection letter that is a ranting and raving scree, talking about how stupid, how ignorant, how utterly untalented and unprepossessing the writer is, that's a thing a person can subsume and even see as a source of motivation. That's something you can frame, even laugh at. But what do you do when the letter is nothing but a bland, dull, almost groveling polite bit of copy pasta? How do you even process it?
I submitted to fifteen magazines and gotten fifteen rejections. At least they take the time to inform you in a timely manner. No point in dilly-dallying when it comes to killing dreams.
And I've read them. Oh yes, I've read every rejection letter I've ever received thoroughly, my eyes glazing over as I scan that single paragraph that, in different circumstances, could easily be a Hallmark card: Dear writer, thank you SOOOOOOOOOOO much for submitting your work! <3 <3 <3 <3 Unfortunately we cannot, at this time, for vague and unspecified reasons, accept your work..........blah, blah, blah, it's all downhill from here.
Magazine editors really can be bastards.
And then there are webcomics and the platforms that host them. If you do webcomics, you know about platforms, don't you? Tapas? WEbtoons? You know them well, and you know the dynamics. To put it simply, friends, if you don't draw anime, you can blow your dreams of success on these platforms right out the ol' chocolate starfish (the fickle fecal echinoderm that is, unfortunately, the destination for many a dream). That's not to say that there aren't good comics with good western-style art that don't get attention, but Jesus Holy Savior SOn of God on a POGO STICK, are there people who just fall into obscurity for NO FREAKING REASON. I could mention names, but I do webcomic features and recs on most of them, so...a bit redundant. But the truth is, I see a lot of success that is disproportionate to talent on the anime style and fan art side of things, especially when a lot of very talented people who DON'T utilize this style are completely ignored. I'm not saying it's " ANIME BAD", no. All art has its place, and there is a talent to drawing anime, of course there is. In addition, popcorn slaggery has its place, and I LOVE me some popcorn slaggery. But we are drowning in slaggery, and there seems to be a bias in the cultural zeitgeist that favors anything that falls into a particular box, no matter how utterly unoriginal it is. Dear God, the top comics list on Webtoons is about as diverse as a midwest Republican rally. Just about everything on that site with a higher than 8 star rating is either a shojo or an ecchi, and it all looks more or less the same in art style
Now , keep in mind, I know why I in particular suck at this whole webcomics thing: its because I suck as an artist. But even knowing this intellectually hardly cushions the blow of staring at your sub count and just.............just sort of feeling that crumbling sensation inside. I think most of you know what that feeling is like, when you watch what you love sink slowly and without spectacle into the mire, for no reason at all.
So I understand why people want to walk away. Why people want to give up. I've heard talks of suicide on DA, I've heard talks of throwing the ol' art set into the trash and just calling it quits. You watch what you love die, and not just that, but watch people flock to what is conventional in response to that death, and it is VERY tiring. You comfort yourself, for a long time, with phrases like "sell out" and "artistic integrity", but you know they don't mean anything. It builds up inside of you, like a tumor, until finally you don't see the point in any of it.
I understand letting rejection and the feelings of failure completely consume you. But giving up because of rejection (no matter how much of it there was) is like the story of the smoking medical student: he read so much on how smoking causes cancer, that he finally gave up on reading and became a carpenter. If you have to step out, then please, step out. If you feel that posting and drawing and posting and drawing is a tiresome cycle, and you have to take a break, then please! Take a break. Letting a hobby burn you out is not wise. BUt I beg you not to walk away, or to give up, or to doubt yourself so thoroughly that you chuck the whole of your artistic endeavors into the dust bin. I understand the existential crisis of living a civilian life of insignificance, and then coming to a hobby your insignificance is once again amplified. Rejection is something that comes to us all, and while you do get used to it in a sense, you always feel it. It may not burn, but it always stings. Yet the sting of rejection really can be drowned out by even the slightest tinge of success.
Do this for me. Look at your Watcher count. It might be 500. It might be 50. But I want you to look at this way: that is 50 people that have seen your art that would otherwise have never known about it. That is a FAMILY's worth of people who have looked at what you have produced, and now have in their consciousness the output of your creativity. I know this is very kitsch, but I want you all to realize something. You have, by joining DA and by uploading your work onto it, taken the first key step, and really the bravest step: you have put yourself out there. You have leapt into the chaos, jumped into the void, put your work into the hands of whomever may be watching. You have, in short, TRIED. And all that is required is to try again, to leap again, to chart forward into this wilderness.
I know, once again, this is very kitsch, but I don't know any other way to face rejection. You have to see this as a journey that you have started, into a wilderness you cannot comprehend, to find a treasure whose value you cannot know. To compare yourself to others is a waste of time: it's not a competition, it's not eve a FAIR comparison or a fair metric. TO destroy yourself or end your endeavors is a gross waste of talent and potential. I can't tell anyone how to feel, but only what works for me: see this time of creating and posting and communicating with others on these platforms as a kind of adventure. I have started to see my writing and my comics less and less as "This is what is successful, I must do THIS, I must be like THiS person, I must have THIS many Watchers/subscribers/choose your poison" and more along the lines of "This is MY work, I will do this MY way, I will improve MY output". It becomes a personal endeavor, a journey of self-improvement independent of others.
I am not, of course, saying not to listen to criticism or to practice and takes steps to improve your work. Take pride in what you do, and listen to those who stick by you while you do it. But what I AM advising you to do is not to allow the feelings of rejection and obscurity blossom into a hopelessness that dissuades you from creating art. This is not a competition: it's far too personal for that. And there is no guarantee of fame: art would hardly be worth doing if that were the case. But see this as a personal project, as a matter of growth, as a way of reaching out into the world and seeing what you find. The response may be miniscule, but it is still a response. If you have reached someone, it is still more than what you would have if you never reached at all. You may be rejected, but you should never stop trying. This journey is yours: don't abdicate it so freely.
I know that was all very ranty, and I'm sorry, but I hope I've helped at least one or two of the people I wanted to address. I hope you all feel at least a little bit better. Best of wishes,
RJR
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SarahMaiden [2019-04-24 22:52:11 +0000 UTC]
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MrRemoraman In reply to SarahMaiden [2019-04-25 00:54:47 +0000 UTC]
Well it’s nothing short of brave of you to keep up with art in spite of joint pain! I have to say that’s extremely commendable and shows a lot of heart! Don’t worry about being buried: we all are to a degree. I try to lift people up with recommendations, art features, and the like, to try to connect people. It happens to everyone. But I admire your spirit. Thank you so much for sharing with me and please do stay strong
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akitku [2019-04-23 07:30:18 +0000 UTC]
Thank you for writing this! I deal with feelings like that all the time and have gone through phases when I wanted to ditch uploading my comic online completely - it just seems such a futile, thankless task. So it's really encouraging to read something like this!
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MrRemoraman In reply to akitku [2019-04-23 10:17:05 +0000 UTC]
YOU? You’re like one of the most talented dudes doing webcomics on DA.
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akitku In reply to MrRemoraman [2019-04-23 10:26:03 +0000 UTC]
Wow, that's...extremely flattering, thank you! I'm honestly so surprised and honored to hear that! It really doesn't feel like that to me; my comic is pretty much killing my gallery. I get less comments/favs with every update. I bust my ass to finish a page - it takes me 3 days to do one! And then I feel bad for uploading it here, like I'm spamming people lol. And on Tapas it's the same. Hardly anyone reads it, most people just follow me so that I follow them back, but after I do they never actually read any of my stuff...So yeah, there were many days when I thought about drawing it purely for myself and not uploading it anywhere...
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MrRemoraman In reply to akitku [2019-04-23 13:12:50 +0000 UTC]
that’s appalling. Every page you do is beautiful. I grew up reading Arthurian legends and am a huge fan of the mystery series Brother Cadfael. I’m also a big fan of Thomson, Platonism, and Hellenistic philosophy. As you might guess, I love medieval aesthetic and culture
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akitku In reply to MrRemoraman [2019-04-27 19:31:07 +0000 UTC]
Aww gosh, thank you for saying that! It really means a lot! I know it's a struggle that most artists have (only a very talented, lucky few make it big) but it still means a lot to hear some reassuring words! Especially from a fellow comic maker! XD
And I'm so glad you enjoy the medieval aspect of my story! And I love Brother Cadfael too. Did you watch the series or read the books?
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MrRemoraman In reply to akitku [2019-04-30 13:13:27 +0000 UTC]
I watch the fantastic show with Ed Jacobi. Absolute perfection!
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ayashi55 [2019-04-21 06:16:13 +0000 UTC]
And let me bow to all the artists, the hobbyists and enthusiasts of dA, you are the bests. It's like saying thank you for sharing to us and to the world the beautiful things in this generation and the next to come. Sometimes it's overwhelming, too many to chew, yet the fact remains that a single art touches lives wether being commented or not, being watched or not by one or many, being starred or not. Just keep creating...
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ayashi55 [2019-04-21 05:38:02 +0000 UTC]
I am so moved, spread this article to everyone. It can touch lives in this world so full of overwhelming contradictions. Thank you my friend. fight.
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Jeep-Senpai [2019-04-20 03:48:23 +0000 UTC]
Yeah man, numbers suck and the flabby brains of the general public are happy with sucking the scum off the top of the pond.
But the average age of internet users is very young, and youth is wasted on things that amuse idiots. I can only hope that in some forthcoming era someone of better taste and wider knowledge finds my works and appreciates them. I'll probably be dead or dying, but a Rembrandt is a Rembrandt whether alive or dead.
It is within the realm of possibility that my writing I toss to the dogs every week is actually the worst thing ever writ upon digital papers, but hell if I don't enjoy writing it. I'm going to write my story and I'm going to continue to enjoy doing it, and I'll sell it's greatness to whomever might read it.
Basically; thanks for the words. I feel ya man, gotta respect the grind. Art is hard, man has a natural compulsion to create and other men seem to have the antithesis to all that. We live in a disposable world where even people themselves are thrown to the curb when their observed use is up, masses of disposable souls crowd around things they don't understand the worth of and consume the garbage that's mass produced every day. I'm getting off topic again. This comment is a mess.
If you want to suffer more of my words I have a Tapas, oof.
I'll stop writing this now.
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MrRemoraman In reply to Jeep-Senpai [2019-04-20 15:39:25 +0000 UTC]
Dang dude. I gotta read your stuff then. I’d really love to
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Jeep-Senpai In reply to MrRemoraman [2019-04-21 01:44:13 +0000 UTC]
Hey I got you, here's the link; tapas.io/series/Of-Doings-And-…
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shellpresto [2019-04-19 22:44:45 +0000 UTC]
Wonderful post. I've been through those feelings many times before in my life, and I can relate. I've never managed to give up drawing due to frustration, but I've definitely gone "off the grid" from time to time and stopped posting my artwork.
But sometimes it does feel pointless to draw if no one is watching, and you just have to make sure you're doing it for yourself. That's actually why I draw far less fanart these days. I used to draw popular characters and be like "THIS one, people will notice." And they don't. Or they do, but still don't give a damn about your original work. Or I'd do challenges, to no avail. And I just have to come to terms with the fact that what I liked wasn't popular, but it was more important to do what I liked for me. Not that I still don't have bad days every now and again, but I have fewer of them.
The real problem is that the act of creation is so personal. Putting your art out there is like having a kid and having people you care about say they're ugly. There's no way that's not going to sting, no matter how proud you are of your own kid. Fortunately, the art itself doesn't have feelings, so it's not quite that bad a situation, but the feelings of the artist are the same. And, of course, having no response to your art is, as you said, almost as bad as getting a bad one.
On a mildly related note, have you considered self-publishing your short stories in a collection as a single ebook? It probably won't make you a ton of money (marketing is hard), but it will at least make it available to people without the wall of a publisher. Or have you ever gone to a local convention to see if any indie publishers are looking for submissions for their book collections? I know there's always at least one, usually two at the cons I go to, and they do horror, too, not just sci fi or fantasy, usually.
Our Ascension Epoch books don't sell gangbusters, but we've gotten our name out there and sold pretty well through self-publishing. I don't think we have the "large commercial appeal" major publishers look for, so doing it ourselves is a good option, and it's waaaaay easier to publish yourself now than it's ever been.
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MrRemoraman In reply to shellpresto [2019-04-21 20:37:24 +0000 UTC]
I hear ya on fan art. I like a lot of stuff, but the only thing I ever tried fan arting was an obscure Canadian thing called Shadow Raiders. It....did not work out.
I actually HAVE considered self publishing and I’m thinking about it very seriously now that I’ve got one thing almost done and another on the way. I’ve also considered just recording myself reading my stuff and just putting it on YouTube creepypasta style. I got a voice like Tomoko kuroki from Watamote so....maybe not a good idea.
I’ll have to check this Sscension Epoch thing out
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SunlessRose [2019-04-19 03:16:08 +0000 UTC]
This really helped put things in perspective cause unfortunately I'm the type of person who thinks that if I don't have a lot of watchers or comments or views then my art must not be good but...This helped man. Thank you so much~
And I know what you mean when it comes to the diversity of comic styles. Like, I know my comic is anime inspired and for the longest time I hated my style cause it didn't look like every other anime style and it didn't even hit me till I actually reflected on those words "Like every other anime style."That's when I started to appreciate my style because it was unique and different and not like every other one.
And for the record, you do NOT suck as an artist. You have a wild imagination and your stories are edgy, dark but strike such a good balance with tasteful and exciting too~ You should be proud of yourself and don't get me started on how much I adore your backgrounds and landscapes!
Thank you for writing this~ And I promise I won't give up and I hope you don't either my friend ^_^
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MrRemoraman In reply to SunlessRose [2019-04-21 00:15:45 +0000 UTC]
I wouldn’t waste one moment wringing my hands over views and watchers if I were you: you’re a very talented artist and dancer, an excellent combo. You ought to be proud of your growing unique style, and I think your gothic writing is superb.
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SunlessRose In reply to MrRemoraman [2019-04-21 03:44:19 +0000 UTC]
I'm trying for sure. It's a bit hard in today's day and age but I'm really grateful for what I do have~
I can't thank you enough for the compliment, that really means a lot to me ^_^ Thank you I'm going to keep doing my best!
And I can't wait to see more from you as well my friend!
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mel4nk0i [2019-04-18 20:07:10 +0000 UTC]
Applauding your wise words about dealing w/ rejection, but also!.. I *almost* didn't join DA when I checked out the site for the first time a few weeks ago because I saw all the stuff splashed on the homepage was like, wow... that's 1) not me and 2) not what i'm interested in. It's weird coming back to art after a long hiatus. When I was making comics in the early 2000's, I was a teenager living my parents' basement with no way of sharing my stuff other than through local art zines. Digitizing my art wasn't an option because I didn't have access to a scanner let alone photoshop. Coming back to it now, I was initially struck by how much easier it is to share work and discover the work of others... but the catch is that (seemingly) 95% of that work is anime and fan art. like wtf???? what the actual f??? not to hate on those art forms, but I was just really surprised. I guess I'm showing my ignorance here. Anyways - I was glad to read your post, and glad that there's other stuff on DA, even if you have to dig to find it!
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MrRemoraman In reply to mel4nk0i [2019-04-19 20:20:45 +0000 UTC]
DA has some gems. You have to do some research, but you can find coolness if you keep an eye out. I do journals on here for webcomics and artists I recommend for just such a purpose. It can be hard to get started but I recommend just going for it. I really look forward to seeing your own project, you have a lot of skill and love to see the characters in action
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mel4nk0i In reply to MrRemoraman [2019-04-20 01:55:20 +0000 UTC]
Thanks so much for those kind words! I will keep an eye out for your journal recommendations
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ajosephletizia [2019-04-18 18:12:20 +0000 UTC]
I have experienced the same. But as you noted, at some point you stop doing it for extrinsic rewards and start doing it for yourself. You just practice, get better and do it to improve. You are right, I cannot compete with all the glitz and animation of "pony porn" and god knows what else. It is the conundrum of capitalism. What sells is usually not what is (or will be) long lasting or important. What sells is crap.
Keep drawing and keep writing my friend. You always have a fan right here.
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MrRemoraman In reply to ajosephletizia [2019-04-21 17:04:03 +0000 UTC]
Well thank you so much dude! Can’t wait to see your future work
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ajosephletizia [2019-04-18 18:05:28 +0000 UTC]
I agree with every word. I made the transition you are speaking of. I went from a quantitative obsession with my numbers (watchers, etc) to just doing this for me. Well said man.
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MrRemoraman In reply to ajosephletizia [2019-04-19 20:17:50 +0000 UTC]
Thanks dude! I hope to see more of your stuff in the future
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