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MrsCockroach In reply to Resensitized [2011-05-10 22:56:06 +0000 UTC]

Ohh, shoot, I guess it could be interpreted that way. xD;

Yerp. -.-

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Resensitized In reply to MrsCockroach [2011-05-10 23:57:22 +0000 UTC]

yeah, but I did realize the proper meaning almost immediately
and now that I think about it, that one seems more likely

otherwise there would be x's or something like that other ridiculous stamp. -.-

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MrsCockroach In reply to Resensitized [2011-05-10 23:59:38 +0000 UTC]

le yup. -.-

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Resensitized In reply to MrsCockroach [2011-05-11 00:08:36 +0000 UTC]

glad you did something about it though cheers ♥

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MrsCockroach In reply to MrsWave [2011-04-06 13:49:54 +0000 UTC]

yay! : D

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MrsWave In reply to MrsCockroach [2011-04-06 22:37:55 +0000 UTC]

Yep! I am bi, so this makes me feel better about it, thank you for making such a wonderful stamp.

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MrsCockroach In reply to WinterImperfect [2011-04-03 16:28:37 +0000 UTC]

Yay! : D

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WinterImperfect In reply to MrsCockroach [2011-04-03 16:55:33 +0000 UTC]

^^

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KattoTang In reply to Starlow-FTW [2011-04-09 21:39:35 +0000 UTC]

"Everything that stands up for something and doesn't follow society like a sheep is hate?"

Wait, what? Gays still don't have many basic human rights and there are so many bigots out there, so if anything, Opal is the one being the sheep.

It's hate because it's "anti-" whatever. She could, instead, make a Christian support stamp or something, which would be totally positive, but instead she has to make a negative hateful stamp going "THIS IS SO WRONG". How about people promote what they support in a positive way, instead of trampling on what they dislike? That is the reason it's hateful.

Also, she is well within her right to speak her mind, however freedom of speech is a two-way street, so anyone is allowed to come along and speak their minds about what she has to say. That is exactly what this stamp-maker is doing.

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Starlow-FTW In reply to KattoTang [2011-04-10 03:23:18 +0000 UTC]

What? Not true. They have almost ALL of the basic rights, if not indeed all but the so called "right" to marry. The bigots that you speak of? The only one's I've seen are the weirdo idiots yelling "God hates fags" on the street corner, and it's those idiots even I yell at. About 95% of the population is willing to say that everything is okay and acceptable. That's the new attitude in our society, and that's why Opal is NOT a sheep.

So everything anti something is hate? That's not the definition.
You're right, however, freedom of speech does NOT give anybody the right to spread lies. There is a clear LEGAL definition of hate speech, so saying that her stamp is hate is not true. It's a lie.

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KattoTang In reply to Starlow-FTW [2011-04-10 04:03:24 +0000 UTC]

Uh, actually, no they don't. Up until very recently, there weren't even any laws in place that included gays in protection from hate crimes, let alone laws stating that they had equal rights to job opportunities, marriage, raising children, serving in the military...the list goes on. And marriage is a civil right, as it holds various legal benefits, such as the right to see your spouse in the hospital if they're ill, the right to shared ownership of property, the right to that property if your spouse dies, shared insurance benefits, shared guardianship...that list goes on as well.

Those people who you speak of are the Westboro Baptist Church, and everyone knows they're crazy--they hate everyone, and most everyone can't stand their bullshit.

I like to know where you get your percentage from, certainly it's not from any real statistics. 95%? Are you nuts? We don't even have 95% of the population that's not racist, let alone not homophobic/anti-gay/whatever you wanna call it. I come from a town where people get the shit beat out of them for being gay. Hell, half the people I work with have said if they find out one of their kids is gay, they'd "beat it out of them", and I don't even live in the same area I grew up in anymore. I really think you're just throwing out a number that you think is true based on what you see in your immediate area and/or the internet, but I can assure you, it is extremely inaccurate.

"There is a clear LEGAL definition of hate speech"
Yes, but I didn't say hate speech. If someone else did, well, I can't say anything on that. I just explained why it's hateful. Things that say "This shouldn't be allowed because I personally do not agree with it" are prejudiced and intolerant. I don't personally agree with, say, people joining the military. But I'm not gonna go and tell them they shouldn't do it, because it's none of my damn business what other people do, as long as they're not hurting anyone or impeding anyone else's rights.

Seriously, if she doesn't want people getting pissed at her/attacking her/trolling her/etc, she really needs to learn to keep her opinions to herself, her friends, and any groups that agree. Because while everyone is entitled to their opinion, no one should be surprised when other people speak out against their opinions when those opinions are inherently negative.

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Starlow-FTW In reply to KattoTang [2011-04-10 05:40:58 +0000 UTC]

Wrong. Don't ask don't tell is, or was, a law protecting gays. They are not to openly be gay, and nobody should try to find out. The problem was that it was impossible to enforce. The don't ask part of it is impossible, that is. The don't tell part is quite easy.

Personally, I'd prefer if government were to stay out of marriage except for dealing with affairs like the tax benefits, and so on like that. Marriage is not to be dictated by the government; that's what I fear more.

The westboro place isn't a church. It's an idiot hut.

The 95% was pulled right out of my hat. Of course there's no statistic on that. From what I know, though, the mainstream is pretty much that gays get whatever rights they want. That's the mainstream, and the mainstream is what everybody will follow sooner or later. People are naturally sheep; that's the way the average person is. Therefore, sooner or later, homosexuality will be accepted, like everything will be one day.

And by the way, I don't care if what she said was "hateful". It's not my problem. It becomes my problem when it becomes hate speech, then I have to report her, and I certainly would and call her out on it. Should she change the way she says things?

ABSOLUTELY.

Are you going too far with calling things "hateful" when it's just being against something?

ABSOLUTELY.

Tell me this: if someone's against homophobia, does that mean they're being hateful? This just came out of your mouth, that if you're speaking out against something, then it's hate.

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KattoTang In reply to Starlow-FTW [2011-04-10 07:01:10 +0000 UTC]

"Don't Ask, Don't Tell" was a law stifling gays. Because they could not serve openly, it meant that anyone who has admitted to anyone else that they were gay, or that were outed by someone, could not join the military. It also meant that anyone accused of being gay, regardless of whether it was true or not, was at risk of being kicked out.

Marriage is a legal thing. I'm sure you probably feel it's religious, but it's not--people can be married by a judge, and atheists can marry, and so on. And it kinda has to be that way, because with marriage creates a legally binding contract between two people and makes them next-of-kin/immediate family without being related by blood. I do think that it might be better to have two different kinds of marriage, the legal and the religious, separation of church and state...they do that over in the Netherlands. But that's another matter.

"The westboro place isn't a church. It's an idiot hut."
Haha, yes it is. But that's what they call themselves. They'll get what's coming to them eventually though (actually they might be getting it now, they goaded and threatened "Anonymous", basically all the trolls, so in response Anonymous hacked their websites so they won't work anymore).

People are accepting it more and more not because they are sheep, but because there is this growing awareness that these are people too, and what they do in bed doesn't affect anyone else, doesn't hurt anyone else, and that denying them things that others have is wrong. People are coming to find that they have relatives and friends who are gay, and see the sort of suffering that they have to go through. This is bringing about change, so I'm not sure how these people are "sheep"...these are people who are adults who grew up being told it's bad to be any alternate orientation, or just different in general, and these people decided otherwise, on their own. And I say "any alternate orientation" because I know a number of people who are asexual/aromatic (not interested in sex and/or romance) and had parents who freaked out, or belittled them. (Yes, there are people out there who think it's bad if you don't want to be in a relationship).

"Are you going too far with calling things "hateful" when it's just being against something?"
I did not mean to say that I thought it was hateful per se, but rather was trying to explain why it would be perceived that way. Personally, I feel it's more just bigoted really.

I did not, however, say anything like "If you're against something, you're being hateful!" Let me quote myself:
"Things that say "This shouldn't be allowed because I personally do not agree with it" are prejudiced and intolerant. I don't personally agree with, say, people joining the military. But I'm not gonna go and tell them they shouldn't do it, because it's none of my damn business what other people do, as long as they're not hurting anyone or impeding anyone else's rights."
See, now, being against something is all well and fine. Telling people they're going to hell and trying to deny people certain things because you don't agree with how they live, when how they live doesn't affect you or hurt anyone else, that's bigoted and intolerant and hurtful. Being against homophobia is in no way bigoted, because homophobia is hurtful to others. In fact it's quite the opposite, it's rather progressive, in the same way that being against racism is progressive. And also, it's better to be positive instead of negative. Instead of being anti-gay, she could be pro-whatever. Pro-hetero, pro-Bible, whatever she wants. Just like someone could be pro-equality, instead of being anti-racism.

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Gwenvar In reply to KattoTang [2013-01-15 11:38:20 +0000 UTC]

"I do think that it might be better to have two different kinds of marriage, the legal and the religious, separation of church and state"

It also works like that here, in Hungary.

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KattoTang In reply to Gwenvar [2013-01-16 08:25:20 +0000 UTC]

Awesome. As I said, that's how they do it in the Netherlands...and probably a lot of other European countries that aren't retarded like the US is, lol.

Dude, the comment you responded to was so old, at first I was like "Who is this person and what in the world are they talking about?" haha

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Gwenvar In reply to KattoTang [2013-01-16 11:55:11 +0000 UTC]

Yep, here they don't put you in jail for laying wit a 17 year old, and gay marriages are legal, even tho they are socially less accepted than is the US.

But it's maybe old comment to you, but not old to me . Just like the stamp .

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