OrmIrian In reply to ??? [2009-12-15 16:40:52 +0000 UTC]

Hehe, yeah- and if you have to answer in front of the class it's even more embarrasing- but people usually forget this kind of stuff rather fast, luckily

Hehe, sometimes I really wished it would be like that with our school- but I guess it has also advantages to learn other languages, if only they wouldn't count that much :/
Errr.. Probably.. but to be honest, I always sucked in pure grammatical exams (I have some really problems with all those time-rules ) and I was too lazy to learn properly for the vocabulary exams... but on the other hand, I always got good mark for my stories (because I always had a rich vocabulary- even if I don't know where it comes from, I guess it's because I watch movies mostly in English and use my English regulary like for example here on DA... but I suck at translating sentences/words direcly from German into English)... also I was always rather good in oral exams (depending on how nervous I was)
I was even worse in French.. French is so much more difficult to learn and I somehow don't really like the language anyway (although I can't really say why )

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Zeimyth In reply to OrmIrian [2009-12-15 17:39:20 +0000 UTC]

That's when you come up with something very quickly that really has nothing to do with the discussion. It's the same kind of technique you use when writing a long paper. XD

I think that's a real advantage. People in America don't know enough languages. We're lazy that way.

Grammar is very annoying. I remember in 7th grade my class would try to convince our English teacher to not give us a grammar worksheet because none of us liked doing them. I've never had much of a problem with using the proper rules for past- present- and future-tense, but I'm sure that's just because I've grown up with the language. Some things are still tricky, though - like not switching from past to present in the same sentence.

I don't really have a flowery vocabulary when I speak, but I tend to be a lot more eloquent when I write - especially if I'm writing a story or RPing. XD

I would never want to have a translating job. I can't imagine how hard that would be - especially translating at the same time as someone talking.

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OrmIrian In reply to Zeimyth [2009-12-16 19:26:24 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, exactly... but if you're just too nervous about that (because you perfectly know that you don't know the answer) you usually get blocked to much to give some other kind of answer..
Hehe, that's what I did most of the times when we need to write a composition.. I write something about the actual theme and then go over to something else (and connected both themes somehow)- I never get a bad mark for that

Heh, yeah- but you can concentrate more on math and stuff- probably you will know more than we in the end in those subjects, because you had more time left for learning it

Heh, well, it's something different when it's your native language, as when you have to learn it German grammar isn't very difficult for me either, but I know it would be difficult to learn it...
Hehe, I tried to learn the rules, but I always forget them after a while- now I just use it as best as I could- means I use the verb form I think would 'sound' good in the sentence- but I know it won't sound correct all the time (I hope it's correct for most of the cases at least..)
..and I always had problems with those 'hrasal verbs'- the can have completely different meanings if you just change on little attachment (like 'cut down' and 'cut off' )

Yup, same with me- but spoken language is much faster then the writing language- if you write down something you have more time to search for a good word.

Yeah, that must be really hard to do- also translating some special kind of things like songs (where certain words have to rhyme with each other )

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Zeimyth In reply to OrmIrian [2009-12-16 21:02:41 +0000 UTC]

Yup, I've experienced that also... Those are the times when you just can't come up with anything. It's bad to have that happen if you're writing a timed paper, because then you end up spending half of your time just wondering what to write.

If anything, you should get bonus points for creativity!

Hmm, maybe... But I don't think most Americans would be much better at math than you would. It's rather a hated subject, which makes sense because most people aren't all that good at it and they don't like to use their brains (people are lazy that way XD).

I wish I could learn two native languages. Maybe I'll work hard to become bilingual and then raise my kids that way... I think it's interesting though, because we are told that English is supposed to be a really hard language to learn, but of course it was easy for those of us who grew up speaking it...

In my mind, that's how language works. The 'rules' are just formalities. When you speak German, you never have to think about the rules because they just come so naturally. I know that's how it is in English; if I'm confused I just use whatever sounds right. Although usually I say that I use whatever 'feels' right, which is an odd way to describe language (since you can't 'feel' words) but it is more fitting, I think.

That's another funny thing about growing up with a language - you never have tricky things like that pointed out to you. You just kind of accept them without thinking about it. I never knew English had "phrasal verbs"...

I prefer writing because of that. Sometimes the extra thinking time really helps. The disadvantage is that writing is so much slower than speaking, and you can never be there with the person you're writing to, so you miss out on subtle things like inflection or body language.

Rhyming is hard enough the first time. XD I am very impressed by people who can translate poems or songs and still preserve the rhyming and other subtleties of it. I remember when we first learned about sign language poetry in my ASL class... Since they don't use sounds, their ideas of rhyming and rhythm in poetry are completely different. I could explain the concept of a poem to someone, but I never could translate every meaning, and certainly not while rhyming...

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OrmIrian In reply to Zeimyth [2009-12-17 19:29:40 +0000 UTC]

Yep- I also had problems like this sometimes, everyone already was busied with writing pages after pages and I just wrote some first words, erased them and started to write some new words again- or I had to stop after some sentences, because my ideas run out... After a while you really get nervous and the change you might still have a good idea for writing something will be rather small..

Yeah, but usually you just get some points less, for talked about something different- but hey! If I would have tried to write only about the actual theme, I would have probably become a worse mark

Yeah.. I really feel sorry for those people who would have been good in languages and never learn one because of the school-system... or is it possible to learn a language (and get marks for it), if you really want to?

Yep, that would be cool- I doubt you will speak any (late) learned language as well as your native language though- there still is missing a certain kind of 'feeling' for the language... It would have been cool, if you could speak at least two languages in the beginning.. That's how children should be raised
I don't think English is that difficult to learn, though.. It's said that French should be more easy than English, but I had huge difficulties to learn French, but English was rather easy to learn (when compared)... probably because we are more confronted with English everyday than with French

Yeah, exactly.. There are tons of rules how to use commas in German.. we had to learn them once, but I have forgotten them completely after a while.. Still, I just feel it when I have to use a comma and when not not.

Hehe, our teachers always repeated that phrasal verbs are essential to learn (and you really have to learn them by heart, because you can't know the meanings otherwise) and I have to say: They're right.
We had always a list of some (important) phrasal verbs to learn for every exam...
If English is your native language, you obviously grow up with these words and know their meaning.. that's why you don't have problems with that..

Yeah, writing has advantages and disadvantages- I still kinda prefer to write about things than talking about it (depends to whom I talk to and about what of course..)

That's sounds cool: Rhyming in a sign language! I kinda have some kind of idea how that might work, but I guess you have to see it to understand it (obviously)

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Zeimyth In reply to OrmIrian [2009-12-17 20:18:15 +0000 UTC]

I really hate when that happens. >.< But sometimes there's nothing you can do about it. Those are usually the assignments where I make up a lot of stuff that sounds neat but if you really read what I said it doesn't apply to the prompt at all.

True! Better to take the lesser of two evils in that case. XD

Well, I'm sure you could learn a language on your own if you really wanted to... I've tried once or twice, but I was never committed enough. I think it would have helped more to have other people who knew the language that I could talk with. But if you teach yourself a language well enough, you can test out of some school classes and get credit as if you took that class.

Yeah, that is what everyone says... Once you hit a certain age it becomes harder and harder to learn new languages. Our minds are weird that way. In a way, it makes me want to prove this rule false, but I still have yet to learn a new language, so I can't do that...

I've even tried making up a language (because maybe it's easier to learn one that you created?) but it's really hard to make a language. And even if you do, no one knows it, so you can't talk to anyone in that language.

Maybe it helps that English and German are somewhat related? It's probably a lot harder to learn a completely different language (like Chinese XD) than one that's similar to your native language.

I think it's interesting how we can learn to feel when we used a language wrong. It just seems awkward and halting until you fix it... even if you don't know the rules.

I guess I'm lucky then. Still, it seems strange to me that I've never really heard of them before. I guess that is one of those tricky things that takes an outsider to the language to recognize. XD

I wonder if I would like talking more if I could talk with the people I write to online. Maybe I just like to write because it's all I do when I'm on the internet. It makes sense that speaking should be more natural because... well, speaking is more natural than writing. XD

Yeah, I don't completely understand it either. It has a lot to do with using signs that need similar hand shapes, or using signs that move your hands in circles, or other things like that.

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OrmIrian In reply to Zeimyth [2009-12-18 18:39:31 +0000 UTC]

Then you can just hope that the teacher won't read through your text too closely

Exactly!

Hmmm.. I think it's very difficult to learn a language without having to (because it's a school class), you need good books and also someone who can correct you from time to time.. If you do all by yourself, you will never really know if you do it correctly.

Yep, our brain seems to function this way- they still might be people around who manage to learn a whole language (well, at least the important parts of it) in about one year- but they also live in the countries which talk the language.

I started also once with creating a own language (for my story), because that's what Tolkien has done for his books. I never managed to finish it though- I started to find a new word for everyone that stands in the dictionary, because only then it would be really a new language (not just by replacing the letters by different ones)
But yeah, such a language wouldn't be really an advantage for anything Except if someone else know it too and you use it as a secret language.

Yeah, that might be a reason why English is more easy to learn for us- although French also is also partly related with German
Heh, Chinese would be really difficult to learn- especially all the symbols for the writing

Yeah, it's strange.. but I think almost everyone has a language-feeling like that- even if we don't really know how it functions

I guess so

Hehe, speaking should be more natural somehow, but I feel like you- I kinda prefer to write somehow..

Yeah, I thought about something like that- I'm sure it would look cool!

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Zeimyth In reply to OrmIrian [2009-12-18 19:13:42 +0000 UTC]

Yes, books would definitely help a lot... But even more than that would be having someone to correct you, like you said. If I ever take the time to learn a language, whether I do it on my own or in school, I want to have someone to help me with it a little. I think it would make a huge difference. When I learned sign language in school, this helped me a great deal because there were some deaf kids who I could 'talk' with. I think they're the reason that I learned the language so easily.

It makes a huge difference if you speak it a lot. There's probably no better way to learn a language than to live in that country for a year or two.

My brother and I started to, once, but we both lost interest. I have learned a little bit of a made-up language for RPing, though. It was a dragon language, go figure. Someday I think it would be really fun if I could find some friends who really wanted to make a language, and together we could make it and learn it...

I don't really know very much about how one language relates to another... I guess that a lot of European languages have ties to Latin, and this is what makes them easy for us to learn (also, the alphabet is the same, which helps a lot XD), but apart from this common ancestry I don't know how most languages compare, or why some are more similar while others are very different...

My brother is learning Japanese in school. They have three different alphabets. O.O And their grammar is very strange... I don't think I would do very good at learning an asian language. A lot of them are very tonal, also, which is hard to learn...

I wonder what in our brain gives us this 'language-feeling'... If we could find out how it works, maybe we could find a way to make languages easier to learn.

I think my favorite reason to like writing instead of speaking is that you have the whole conversation in front of you the whole time. You can always remember what was said, and it's easy to find if a misunderstanding happened or not...

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OrmIrian In reply to Zeimyth [2009-12-20 19:11:57 +0000 UTC]

Yeah- if you have someone you could talk to, it's easier to learn..
Ah ok.. yeah, I guess I would have learnt the sign language also much more easy in such a situation..

Yep.. we had to stay four weeks in a french speaking country (or a part of Switzerland) to learn the language better- I managed it to talk almost nothing in this four weeks I'm not someone who talks much in the everyday life, but I definitaly never have spoken that less like in this four weeks That shows you: You can't force anyone to learn a language this way, your really need to want to learn the language on your own

Hehe, it's always a little bit frustrating for the other players, if you speak a language they can't understand
Yep, that would be really great- and you can talk about all silly things, without having to fear anyone hears it (even in a public place)

Well, it has a lot to do with our past- people traveled a lot in the past and the language change the whole time a little bit.. A lot of German people immigrated into America in the past that's why it's more like German than the British English (that's also the reason why I like American English more )

Yep, I know a little bit (very little) about Japanese too- enough to say that I would probably suck at learning it However, I really like to watch anime like Bleach in the original language (Japanese) with an English (or German) subtitle.. It always sounds so cool

Yeah- that would be great... some kind of tablets to learn a language better..

Yep, that's true

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Zeimyth In reply to OrmIrian [2009-12-20 21:49:15 +0000 UTC]

Sometimes I wonder how easy it would be to learn mostly how to write a language instead of how to speak it. For example, if I wanted to learn German, and I talked with German people on the internet a lot as I learned, would I still learn the language easily even though I wasn't speaking it?

XD That must have been a very silent four weeks for everyone you were with, huh? Unless a few of them knew French really well. You're right, though... Just because you live in an area where they only speak one language doesn't mean you have to learn the language. It will make things easier for you if you know how to speak it, but it's not like you will automatically learn how to. Though it would help you if you already had a good foundation in the language.

Yes, but sometimes their reactions are funny. XD

That reminds me of a shirt I saw someone wearing this year. It was a shirt for a sign language class, and on the front it said "Yes, I am signing about you." XD

I think that would be interesting to learn about, sometimes. I'm sure some people have figured out a lot of details about how languages have changed based on historical events. And, I prefer American English too (of course), but the British accent sounds really cool.

I once learned some Japanese, but all I remember now is how to count to ten and how to say what my name is. I don't remember how hard the grammar was. Hee, I know a lot of people who learn Japanese for the sake of watching or reading Anime in the original language. XD

Mhmm, or even a certain way to teach people the language that is different than how people do it normally...

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OrmIrian In reply to Zeimyth [2009-12-23 18:46:10 +0000 UTC]

You would just learn how to write the language, since you don't know how to pronounce it correctly or you're just not used to find some words also while speaking (or comprehent other while they're talking).
I had one year of Latin once (which was a really boring class) and we learned just to translate stuff (vocabulary) and the Grammar of the language.. and maybe some very basic stuff how to pronounce it correctly. Since there aren't any people around anymore who speak Latin it would be pretty useless to learn it. Still, I think if you learn a 'living' language, you should also learn how to speak it, because this is very important for almost every language (except the dead ones)

Well, I probably knew enough French to speak it, but somehow I couldn't do it- I'm a very shy person (in real life) and this kinda hold me back to talk with the people. Hehe, I talked like a waterfall in the first few days when I returned

I kinda had such a problem too- I met a dragon while RGing and she talked a 'dragon'language, which I didn't understand at all, even though I also play a dragon Well, at least I have a good reason for that, since my dragonlady grew up with a human and not with dragons

That's a funny T-shirt indeed!

Yeah, it's really interesting- but after a while it would be boring too, I think..
Nah, I like the American Accent much more than the British one- the British accents sound so ..weird for me. Probably this is because I learned how to talk American English, before I have to learn the British English

Hehe, well, I don't like Animes enough to start learning a whole language for it

Well, that has surely a big influence on the learning process- there are some people who are really good at teaching a language

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Zeimyth In reply to OrmIrian [2009-12-23 20:35:20 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, so I guess it would help a lot to learn how to pronounce things even if you were only writing the language. This way you could truly learn how to read it, and maybe you could speak it alright. I agree though, it would probably be very hard to understand other people when they talk in that language. XD

I have never learned any Latin except for the words I have picked up from singing in choir or just because they're so similar to English words. I have heard that the grammar is very strange. XD I think it is sad that this is a dead language, though. It would be interesting if people tried to make it a 'living' language again, just to see if they could.

Well, I think that is understandable, both because you were shy and because it's very hard to speak a language even if you feel like you know it a little.
Hmm, this is a little random, but is "talk like a waterfall" a figure of speech in German? I have always found it interesting how those change from language to language. XD In English I think it's common to say that you "talked up a storm".

That seems like a good excuse. You can't expect humans to know a dragon language, so why would a dragon raised by humans know it? Did your dragon ever learn any of this language?
Maybe I'm just too dragon-obsessed, but I've always liked 'dragon' languages more than normal ones - even though they aren' really dragon languages at all.

Yeah. I want to get one like that. XD

That seems interesting to me. Personally, I find the American accent to be very boring (obviously this is because I hear it all the time ). I don't even know if people with a British accent think the American accent is as 'cool' as we think theirs is. XD

XD

Hmm. I hope that, if I ever learn a language, I get to learn it from someone who knows how to teach languages really well. XD

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OrmIrian In reply to Zeimyth [2009-12-24 14:25:37 +0000 UTC]

We learned just the basic grammar in this one year, which means stuff like the present and maybe one past time form and all the stuff like how to write a question.. It is a weird grammar, most of us didn't take the time to learn it, they all used a cheat sheet.

Yep, it is- Moreover, I don't really like French and I definitaly was not happy about this idea of spending four week in a french speaking country in the beginning.
Yep, 'talk like a waterfall' is a figure of speech in German, I didn't know if it's the same in English, but I thought it might be understandable, even if you use something else in English Heh, it's funny how things like this are very different in every language, but the meaning stays the same.

Nah, my dragon just knows one language I just don't play enough RPs to learn a language good enough (even if it's a rather simple one)- besides, I think the dragon I talked to (well, tried to talk) didn't know the language too good either- it was a rather young and weird dragon
Hmm, for me it's perfectly ok, if dragons talk German or English (or any other existing language) too..

Hmm, I think I talk more some sort of American English (at least I try it), probably also because all the movies I look are also in American English (except some rare exeptions)

Yep, I guess that's what everyone hope

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Zeimyth In reply to OrmIrian [2009-12-24 18:06:08 +0000 UTC]

I guess I'm glad I've never had to learn the language if the grammar is so tricky to learn. It seems weird though. If so many languages are based off of Latin, why is the grammar so hard to understand? You would think that Latin grammar would be very similar to the grammar of most languages that evolved from it.

Well, at least you went, I guess. Aside from having a quiet four weeks, it probably was neat to spend that time in another country. I think it would be, at least.

It's really weird when you hear a figure of speech from some Asian language translated into English (I'm sure it's weird in German as well XD). Sometimes it makes a little sense, but most of the time it seems so random that you wonder if the translation is wrong. XD

So this was probably only a one-time thing, then, with this other dragon, right? I'm sure that you don't usually have any problems with your RP dragon only knowing one language. Usually it doesn't matter.

I'm fine with a dragon speaking any Earth-based language, but it's fun to think of them having their own language sometimes. XD

You do seem to type American English more than British English. Not that there is much of a difference, of course, but they spell a few words slightly different (like "colour" instead of "color"), and there's a few other small things that you only see from people who live in the UK. XD

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OrmIrian In reply to Zeimyth [2009-12-25 13:29:59 +0000 UTC]

Well, it's different and still similar to other languages- still, I was very glad we didn't learn the Future tense too

Well, I have to- or I wouldn't have gone Hmmm, well, I still was in Switzerland, just in another part (since Switzerland also have French speaking people)

Heh yeah- there is some figure talk about a 'cat in your throat' in French (when you can't speak clear anymore), in German it's a frog and I'm pretty sure English has also something different.

Yep, I just met the other dragon once.. Which is not really remarkably, since I didn't have done many RPs yet Yeah- most of the people talk German there, so it really doesn't really matter.

Yeah, that's true

Yep, I know- I really think 'colour' looks really weird- as if there is a spelling error Heh, I think my language feeling just like the American English more, that's why I use it also more

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Zeimyth In reply to OrmIrian [2009-12-26 00:30:30 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I can understand that.

Oh, right. XD Well, maybe it was nice to see a slightly different culture? Otherwise I guess it was just a quiet four weeks.

It's a frog in English as well (although, we do have "cat got your tongue" for when someone is speechless XD).

RPing is a lot of fun. It's like coming up with a story where everyone gets to influence what happens. XD Do you do it very often?

Don't worry, I think it looks weird too. And my computer thinks "colour" is spelled wrong...

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OrmIrian In reply to Zeimyth [2009-12-26 18:42:28 +0000 UTC]

Heh, amazingly enough, the culture was indeed somehow different to ours- even though it was still in Switzerland.. But yeah, mostly it were just four very quiet weeks

It's really funny to hear different variations from different languages sometimes

Yeah
Errr.. no, sadly, I never really feel like doing it or I just don't have enough time- somehow I always managed to spent around 4-5 hours for one play, which is a little bit long

Hehe, so your computer just knows American English!

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Zeimyth In reply to OrmIrian [2009-12-27 06:46:56 +0000 UTC]

Were you able to get much reading or drawing done in these four quiet weeks?

It is! Sometimes they don't make sense at first, but when you stop to think about them, you can see why they might be used. I try to think about how these different phrases all developed. XD

Time is always a problem. When I first began to RP, it pretty much took up my whole day. Now I try to only do one when I am doing something else that is not very distracting. I find that it's fun to RP and draw at the same time.

Yup! XD And I'm too lazy to add every word spelled in British English to my computer's dictionary.

Oh, by the way, merry-Christmas-a-few-days-late. XD If you celebrate it, that is.

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OrmIrian In reply to Zeimyth [2009-12-27 15:13:23 +0000 UTC]

Yep, I read many, many books (luckily, I take enough books with me) and I have drawn some stuff- And strangely enough, most of the pictures of these weeks had some kind of storm inside it

Hehe, I also always wondered how we use weird phrases like this or who invented them

Yeah- Only problem is, I don't like to interrupt my drawings all the time- when I started to draw, I normally fall in some kind of 'trance' and stop maybe four hours later.

Heh, I can understand that

Oh, thanks- I totally forgot to wish you merry Christmas too! Yeah, we celebrate it (even if it's somehow strange, because neither I nor my parents are in any religion)- and I became the most wonderful thing of the whole earth: A external soundcard! Finally, I'm able to listen to music from the computer again

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Zeimyth In reply to OrmIrian [2009-12-27 20:50:20 +0000 UTC]

So at least you weren't too unreasonably bored, I hope. Were those storms in your drawings intentional? It seems interesting that they would all have a storm in them. XD

This is one of those idle curiosities that would be nice to know but they don't really matter very much... Besides, I don't have any idea how we could find out why these sorts of phrases start to be used anyways.

I don't think there's anything wrong with celebrating Christmas without any kind of religion. XD I would be surprised to hear this about other winter holidays like Hanukkah though. XD
That's great! I hate when my computer can't play sound. It makes everything feel incomplete.

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OrmIrian In reply to Zeimyth [2009-12-28 18:55:19 +0000 UTC]

Heh, I guess the storms were more unintentional- I just noticed it when I look through the pictures again.. Probably I drew storms, because this was kinda the mood I was in- I really wanted to go home and talk German again.. and I kinda missed my computer and my insects

Yeah, the beginning of a phrase is rather difficult to find out- but it would be still interesting to know

Well, yeah- but I just thought about Christmas a little bit and found it kinda weird that we celebrate something we don't even believe in- but I guess most of the people don't even think about why they celebrate Christmas.

Yep- and you can't watch all those funny Youtube movies without hearing something

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Zeimyth In reply to OrmIrian [2009-12-29 05:45:23 +0000 UTC]

Hmm, that's interesting. It makes sense that the storms were a result of the mood you were in if you didn't really notice you were drawing them. XD I've always thought it was neat how some people can bring out their feelings in art in ways like that... Especially because I can't do this.

Hee, yup. XD It's pretty much impossible to find out when a phrase like that gets started and track how it spreads. Ah well.

It's sad, but I don't think a lot of people really realize why Christmas is celebrated in the first place. It's just a big winter holiday, now. It's all about Santa. XD But I guess this makes it easier to celebrate a holiday like Christmas without worrying about the religious side of it.

Yeah, about 95% of Youtube makes no sense with no sound. O.O

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OrmIrian In reply to Zeimyth [2009-12-29 15:12:09 +0000 UTC]

Well.. I never thought I'm good in drawing my moods either But I think most of those things you do subconsciously- you don't really think about it- like my storms

yeah

Yeah, but it's still sad to forget about the true origin of Christmas- even if you don't believe in it

Yep- but it's fun to rewatch all the movies I see without a sound- it's amazing how much I guessed right

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Zeimyth In reply to OrmIrian [2009-12-30 00:15:25 +0000 UTC]

I guess this is true. If you had to think about how you feel and how to express that through art, then it wouldn't be very legitimate. XD

I agree... It seems like this happens with a lot of holidays. People want to celebrate them and don't necessarily care where they came from.

I'm surprised that you would have watched many videos on Youtube without sound in the first place. XD I don't think I could do that for very long. That's funny that you guessed a lot about what was happening, though.

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OrmIrian In reply to Zeimyth [2009-12-30 18:23:24 +0000 UTC]

Yeah..

Yep- and somewhere in the future only a handful people if any will still know why we celebrate it..

Well, I just did it automatically- I somehow get linked to Youtube movies sometimes and going to watch them right away... But I didn't really searched for new movies though..
Hehe, it weren't really complex movies

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Zeimyth In reply to OrmIrian [2009-12-30 18:26:32 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, but I hope this doesn't happen... Even though it probably will with the way things are going now.

Hee, this would have been a sad reminder then, huh? You find a Youtube link and go to watch the video, and then you get reminded that you can't hear any of it. XD

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OrmIrian In reply to Zeimyth [2009-12-31 14:07:14 +0000 UTC]

Yeah..

It was really a little bit annoying over the time, especially when I wanted to play a game and then I realized that a game without any sounds is really incomplete

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Zeimyth In reply to OrmIrian [2009-12-31 18:04:00 +0000 UTC]

It's funny how that works. Games are just meant to have sound, whether it's background music or the little spring noise your character makes when it jumps. Whenever I have to mute my sound when I play a game, it just seems a little more empty. XD

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OrmIrian In reply to Zeimyth [2010-01-01 15:18:37 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, games without any sounds are dull- it don't really pull you into the world of the game and you just surf around the 'surface'- it don't really help to play any other music instead of the original ones, because the soundeffects (like the jumping) would still lack.

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Zeimyth In reply to OrmIrian [2010-01-01 20:13:13 +0000 UTC]

For some games, the music is the best part. You're right, that when you take away the music it becomes harder for the game to really pull you in. And who wants to play a game that isn't engaging like that?

On the other hand, some games have very very annoying music and sounds - especially kid's games. Then, when someone is playing a game like this, you want them to turn the sound off so you don't go crazy from it.

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OrmIrian In reply to Zeimyth [2010-01-02 13:35:51 +0000 UTC]

Yep- especially strategy games suffer from a lacking sound..

Hmm- there are also kid's games (like Crash Bandicoot) who have also a good sound.. crazy, but good
I know a dragon game for the PS2 which is absolutely terrible with the music.. there are very repetive sounds all the time, which will make you go crazy after a while... beside of the terrible music, the landescape is also as monoton as the music.. so either you fall asleep after playing for a while or you've gone crazy (it's called Drakengard, btw)

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Zeimyth In reply to OrmIrian [2010-01-02 20:01:37 +0000 UTC]

I've never played this game. But I know what you mean. XD I've seen some games that had very little thought put into the sound effects and music of the game. It becomes very boring to play, even if the game is actually a good one. Mostly because it puts you to sleep, as you said. XD

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OrmIrian In reply to Zeimyth [2010-01-03 17:27:34 +0000 UTC]

Huh, you don't know a dragongame? Hehe, well, I guess nobody needs to know this game anyway.
Well, the gameplay of this game wasn't really exiting either- everything is made as boring as the music is.. at least I know what to play when I have problems to fall asleep

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Zeimyth In reply to OrmIrian [2010-01-03 22:17:15 +0000 UTC]

I know, it's quite a shock.
Although, to be quite honest, I'm not so obsessed with dragons that anything involving them automatically becomes something I want to play/read/watch/etc. I'm actually rather picky about these kinds of things.

Aw, that's sad that the game is so boring. But you're right, it would be good to fall asleep to. I don't think I've ever found a game like that before!

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OrmIrian In reply to Zeimyth [2010-01-04 16:06:52 +0000 UTC]

Ah, sometimes I'm a little bit different- the only reason I bought this game, was the dragonpicture in front of it and the amazing looking flightscenes on the back- but it only looked good as I had to experience later on... Well, I guess I have learned something because of this.

Heh, it's seems to be my luck to pick up exactly one of those game that are nothing more than trash- though there seem to be still some Drakengard fans around.. Well, I have to assume, the dragons looked awesome and it felt great to fly one of them, but other than that..

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Zeimyth In reply to OrmIrian [2010-01-04 21:45:26 +0000 UTC]

Sometimes I am surprised I don't do that more. I'm not usually a picky person. But I am with dragons, for some reason. I don't know why. You would think that, with how hard it is to find good dragon things, I would take whatever I could get. XD

I guess this just shows how there are fans of almost everything. XD Still, I'm sure the game has at least a few things good about it... so maybe this isn't too much of a surprise, even if it wasn't very good for music and gameplay. Like flying. That's always a plus. XD

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OrmIrian In reply to Zeimyth [2010-01-05 15:51:51 +0000 UTC]

That's really weird, but probably you like dragons so much that you only want to have the best things of them

Yeah, I guess the flying was a big plus for the game.. as well as the charater design.

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Zeimyth In reply to OrmIrian [2010-01-05 19:19:52 +0000 UTC]

Hmm, that's a nice way to think about it. XD It does seem a little counter-intuitive, though. You would think that liking something would make you more willing to just take whatever you could get of it.

Still, I guess these two things aren't quite enough to redeem an otherwise-boring game, huh?

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OrmIrian In reply to Zeimyth [2010-01-06 14:04:49 +0000 UTC]

Well, it was just an idea- I kinda was like that too some years ago, that's why I even avoided to draw dragons

No, not really- but some people obviously think that's enough.

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Zeimyth In reply to OrmIrian [2010-01-06 17:54:55 +0000 UTC]

I wonder why that happens? We humans are weird sometimes.

It seems that way. It'd be interesting to hear why they still like this game. XD

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OrmIrian In reply to Zeimyth [2010-01-07 16:48:25 +0000 UTC]

Heh, I guess you would need to know more about the human brain for an answer Yep, humans are really weird sometimes

Maybe they liked the storyline. I didn't like it that much- there were 6 different endings and all of them were bad ones Not that I need always a good ending, but it's frustrating to unlock the diffult ones and all you see it's just another catastrophe
I can't imagine anyone to like the landescape though- it looks really unfinished and boring (just wide areas with almost nothing on it and a fog for hiding things in the distance)

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Zeimyth In reply to OrmIrian [2010-01-07 17:57:07 +0000 UTC]

Probably. XD I don't know much about our brain, right now. To be honest, I'm curious but nothing more.

Hmm. Was it a dark storyline, then? XD That's a little disappointing, to go through the effort of unlocking a new ending just to see more of the same thing happen.

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OrmIrian In reply to Zeimyth [2010-01-08 17:47:30 +0000 UTC]

I would love to learn more about our brain- Sometimes I even search on my own informations, but I would never want to study it or something (like many things too I like)

Yep, it was.. Basically you saw 6 different endings how the main characters could die or even the whole world could go down.. and the dragon always died

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Zeimyth In reply to OrmIrian [2010-01-08 18:25:42 +0000 UTC]

Sometimes it feels like there just isn't enough time in the world to learn everything we want to (because there isn't ). I'm sure it would be fascinating to learn about the brain - especially for me as someone who really likes computers, to see what similarities there might be. But I don't know that I'll ever have the chance to learn anything. XD

Aw, why does the dragon always have to die? That's so cliche... I hate cliches.

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OrmIrian In reply to Zeimyth [2010-01-09 16:46:33 +0000 UTC]

Yeah- Maybe the future computers will have neurons instead of electronic to save something- it would be a lot more efficent than the electronic at least I also wish to be able to learn more about those things, but there is definitaly not enough time for that and it would be probably also useless (for me), because I probably couldn't do anything with this knowledge

Well, at least it was a friendly dragon- much more friendly than the human maincharacter, if you ask me

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Zeimyth In reply to OrmIrian [2010-01-10 00:30:43 +0000 UTC]

I think they're already starting to do a little of that. I read recently about a computer that interfaces with some neurons from a rat brain and somehow (I don't really understand) the neurons drive the computer based on certain electronic signals it receives... Of course, this is more of a hybrid.
There are a lot of things out there that would be useless knowledge. Still fun to learn about, though. XD Wikipedia is a great source for random useless facts.

Ah, good. People who portray dragons as evil deserve to be shot.

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OrmIrian In reply to Zeimyth [2010-01-10 19:17:28 +0000 UTC]

That would be cool, if that really works- many problems could be solved with that technology.
Yeah, wikipedia is really fun sometimes- if I have to articles about a person for example, I know much more useless stuff about this person then if I just read through the other one

Uhhmm.. There were also some evil dragons in this game...

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Zeimyth In reply to OrmIrian [2010-01-10 22:15:06 +0000 UTC]

Yeah... I'm sure it would be a lot more efficient than how our computers currently work. It certainly would build up less heat.

Wikipedia is fun... and such a waste of time. But knowledge is good to have, even if it is completely useless information.

D'oh. XD Heh, well I guess that's not a huge surprise. At least they weren't all evil though.

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OrmIrian In reply to Zeimyth [2010-01-11 16:36:51 +0000 UTC]

Yep- but right now I'm happy the computer does build up some heat- It's rather cold here and so I'm really happy if my room is a little bit more warm because of the computer.
Heh, but it save a lot of energy, if this problem would be solved

Well, some things are really useful at wikipedia- but I would never use it as a reference if I have to write an essay about something

Yeah- but since almost everyone was either crazy, mad or evil in this game, you can't really complain about that- that one dragon maincharacter was one of the rare characters who seemed to be at least a little bit reasonable

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Zeimyth In reply to OrmIrian [2010-01-11 21:18:01 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, it's nice at this time of year, but I know of some people who can't play their computer during the day in the summertime because it would get too hot. It's convenient sometimes, but other times it's very annoying how much heat computers make.

I personally think that Wikipedia should count as a legitimate source in essays. Teachers are very much against it though because anyone can come on and edit what the text says. But they have systems in place to prevent random tampering, and besides, everything they say is cited (for the most part ). Either way, it's nice for random topics to read about. XD

Oh, that's a little odd. XD That would make the game rather interesting to play, I think. Or very annoying.

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