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So, yeah, I don't really care all that much about Michael B. Jordan being cast as Johnny Storm. In fact, I think it's kind of cool. I'm actually interested in seeing what they do with the role and the character.But I thought that I might bring the disparate groups together in the shared feeling of how stupid the Guardians of the Galaxy looks (And this is coming from someone who is a longtime Guardians fan. I'm talking 90's Valentino longtime).
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Well ouch, looks like the Guardians gag bit you in the butt. Especially seeing how well it performed with audiences AND critics, and seeing how FF4 flopped harder than the Blob jumping in a pool of thick syrup. But it's great to see you express your thoughts on the matter.
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Hey, I'm the first to admit that my expectations for Guardians was wrong.
You can't grow as an artist- or as a human being- if you can't admit your mistakes.
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You have my respect, my friend. You don't need it, but you have it!
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I'm a little torn
Personally I don't like the cast as they all look too young and Johnny looks older than everyone. I know most of them are in their thirties but these are actors who often play teens and young adults.
I see james bell as more of the human torch as he has played arrogant, sexy rich boys in the past and I think he would be a better candidate than Michael B. I haven't seen Michael B in anything but I see him more as Reed Richards As he aactually looks the same age. Unlike sue who looks too young to be the older sister and if she is the younger sister I will be very upset as Johnny storm is supposed to be the young immature member of the group. His age changing would mean that he be more adult like than what the character is portraid as being
And seeing that sue is still white, it makes very little sense. I'm not sure if Johnny storm will fit the whole adopted brother sernario (sorry I'm dyslexic) but it may lead to an interesting story arch that could give us more depth into the character. And I am looking forward to seeing how it will unfold.
I don't really believe anyone is wrong for not liking this casting choice because it is a big change. Race isn't important but when we have a character that we've loved for years, we want to see them as the way we portray them in are heads. That means that we want them to look, sound and feel like the characters we love. Changing things like age, gender or race and even sexuality can be seen as making a character too alien and unrecognisable. I personally don't like the new wally west as he doesn't look or act like the wally I know. But i do like miles morals who is the new spiderman as he ISN'T Peter Parker but most certainly is spiderman.
People would be outraged if static shock was white. So its only natural. But as you said. We haven't seen him in the role yet and who knows, he may be really good or bad, we'll have to see. I just profer if reed or Ben were black. Or if sue were black too as it would make more sense but I do love the idea of a mixed heritage family in a superhero movie
We'll just have to see
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meh, I don't see a problem with the whole Affirmative Action thing going on, but Sue is being portrayed by a white woman last I checked, so Mama's got some 'splainin' to do.
Well, that and the Thing's new CG 'costume' It's a little more believable when it was an actual Costume.
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Meh this doesn't shock me as much as casting Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor in a DC film. No offense to the guy and heck if he does a good job then I will tip my hat. Its just so hard to see it after seeing him play the meek and nervous kid from Zombieland back in 09.
As for Guardians of the Galaxy, heh Dave Batista is doing a VERY poor job promoting that movie back in wrestling. The dude actually said during a promo along lines they need to stop reading their comic books lol. Good choice Dave
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I can understand some of the hesitation with Jesse Eisenberg. But for that, I feel somewhat comfortable because even though he did play the meek and nervous kid, he did play a fairly unlikable character in "The Social Network." You really could regard that performance as a "Proto-Lex Luthor." In addition, I think with Lex the emphasis has always been that it is his brains to match Superman's brawn, and what better way to emphasize that than casting the physically unimposing Eisenberg against the towering Henry Cavil?
The way I look at it, everyone was clamoring for Kevin Spacey as Lex in Superman Returns, and it ended up being a disappointing performance (It's kind of sad when the most THREATENING thing he ever did was seduce an old lady for her money). Meanwhile, people were unsure of Heath Ledger as the Joker in the Dark Knight, yet he completely redefined the role with his performance. This is why I always take the "wait and see" approach.
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The following bugs me way more than casting Jordan as Johnny...
1. The fact that they are utilising the Ultimate FF as inspiration which means no chance of ever seeing Franklin and Valeria on the big screen.
2. The fact Fox are apparently seriously considering Doctor Doom, one of the greatest villains in Marvel and a bad guy who by all rights should be more successful than Loki or Magneto by now, to be a woman. Plus again it's the Ultimate Doom which means no interesting regal background and controlling a nation for fear by Fox they might just offend some random eastern european over a totally fictional nation.
3. Billy Elliot is the Thing. That pretty much speaks for itself.
4. Whilst Landis might have disputed its full acceptance, the apparent synopsis for the FF film with things like seperating Reed and Ben's origins from the Storms, strong suggestion of making the Storms mutants, Reed and Ben being captured by the government and experimented on... yeah none of that sounds good.
In all I don't have a very high opinion of the FF film right now, and truth be told I et the feeling Johnny's been changed race only because it makes a statement and also because within the FF licence there are no black characters to utilise - Black Panther and the Inhumans might have first appeared in FF yet their rights apparently reside with Marvel, whilst for some odd reason Universal still has the rights to Namor. So I'm going to wait and see. As for the Guardians film that's entirely your opinion but I reckon it's going to be awesome and far more faithful to the 2008 incarnation of the team than Fox is going to manage with the FF here.
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Well, my feelings about this are
1. Fox used the original version of the FF as inspiration for the first go-round, and we didn't get Franklin or Valeria there either.
2. Never heard about the Doctor Doom rumor. But it being a rumor, I wouldn't put too much stock in it. Also, we already got Ultimate Doom in the original set of FF films.
3. Don't know who Billy Elliot is. I'm going to wait to see the film before I judge.
4. Again, until we see the final product or confirmation, rumors are just rumors.
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1. True, though you can tell that had they gone onto a third film they were clearly considering it. I believe Jessica Alba stated after the 2nd film aired that she would be interested in playing Susan as a mother if they wanted to go down that route. That said I think Alba was my least favourite of the original crew as she never felt like Sue enough to me. In any case, no Franklin or Valeria means another aspect of the family of heroes gets lost in translation.
2. There's a lot of sources suggesting it's a possibility, and if so that bugs me far more than Johnny being black. I want the studio to do a more Classic Doom where we don't ave to see his face for most of the movie and he doesn't have to rely on super powers to be the mitigated bad ass he should be because he has a wealth of technology, a brilliant mind and a country to back him up. I'm not saying that a female Doom couldn't be like that but I would be very worried about them pulling something out like the former jealous lover troupe with Reed and Victoria or whatever her name would end up being.
3. It's Jamie Bell's most defining role when he was a kid, a weady kid who wants to do ballet in the North of England in the 60's. I don't especially think that he'll be playing the Thing outside a voice (and right now I can't see him managing a gruff but lovable Brookyln voice), but then he would still need to play Ben as a human and he's supposed to be an all american sports player and in some cases has the military/pilot background. I'll give him a case sure, but he and the rest of the cast are really going to have to convince me they can pull their characters off.
4. Agreed, but if most of that is true I don't think I'll be watching it. Too much changing around there, and I certainly don't want this film to be Chronicle 2 as featuring the Fantastic Four.
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1. I haven't really heard too much about the new film, but I don't think anyone has outright ruled out any possibility of Sue Storm being a mother in this series either.
I think when they refer to an "Ultimate FF," I think they might be referring to their origin having to do with the Negative Zone more than anyone else.
2. Again, hold out until an official announcement.
3. The thing I think about when hearing about this is that Heath Ledger didn't seem like a good fit for the Joker, Michael Keaton for Batman, or Hugh Jackman for Wolverine. And yet they did amazing in the roles. Yet some actors who seemed born to play these parts- Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor, Ryan Reynolds as Hal Jordan- didn't seem to catch the spirit of the characters they portray.
4. Again, wait till we see more of the film.
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I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one, no offense.
Johnny's race has never been important to him, but neither has Blade's and I don't think anyone would ever consider casting Blade as a white guy. Why does Johnny's established character come off as less important that he can be tweaked then? Then there's the fact that Susan will not be the same ethnicity as him, which brings up possibilities that they're adopted or from an inter-racial couple. To me, even having to acknowledge this fact seems like it's just going to be a waste of time no matter how short the mention is. Right now, this casting decision seems like it has the same "subtlety" as when Peter Parker's successor in the Ultimate Universe was made half-black, half-Puerto Rican and gay. It just feels like this movie is trying too hard to be forward-thinking, or worse, that they felt like they HAD to put a black guy in the movie and just threw him in there without thinking it through.
Then there's Fox's track record to consider. They screwed up the last two Fantastic Four movies beyond recognition (Johnny's and Ben's quarrels were the only saving graces of both films) and now that they get a second chance with the franchise...they seem like they're not even taking it seriously. Reed and Sue are not age-appropriate (unlike Johnny's race, Reed's and Sue's age actually do factor into their personalities), Johnny will stick out like a sore thumb (and not in the way he's supposed to) and Ben's actor is British and tiny (from what I've been told; I never heard of the guy personally). Ben has to be the worst casting decision behind Adopted-Johnny because Ben is 100% New York born-and-raised and even before he was cosmically-radiated, he was a big guy. If this was any other company handling this movie, I'd say it could be argued that reinterpreting the characters could make them interesting, but Fox really isn't in a position to take such gambles. I really wish they had lost the rights to these characters like they did Daredevil.
Lastly, I have to disagree on Guardians of the Galaxy. I'm not thrilled about Star Lord but what's this? Rocket Raccoon, Groot, Gamora, Drax, Ronan the Accuser and Nebula all in one movie? A movie that will speed up Thanos' involvement in the Cinematic Universe no less!? Sign me up!
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For me, Blade is kind of a weird case where his race is kind of important, because his race NOT being important was part of the character's inception.
Blade was created by Marv Wolfman, who had often made it a point to have minority characters who weren't defined by their race. When Marv was working on the Teen Titans, he made it a point to have the characters he created- Cyborg, Raven or Starfire- have names not indicative of their race or gender. So it wouldn't surprise me that Blade was made to be an African American specifically to subvert such tendencies at a time- the wasn't "The Black Blade." He was just "Blade."
In regards to Fox, yes, the first two FF's weren't that great. They weren't that bad either, just not on the level of other productions. Fox does seem to be trying to learn from it's mistakes though, as seen with the rising quality of their X-Men films. Yes, these films might be terrible. But I'd rather wait to see the films final product before judging it's quality. Far too many films that LOOKED great from inception to final product turned out to be rather dismal productions. And a lot of films people completely wrote off turned out to be great.
As for the Guardians, again I say wait to see the final product, but from what I've seen of the trailer, it doesn't interest me. For me, the issue I have is that Marvel pretty much ignored the Guardians and similar titles for years, and are only focusing on them now because they "need" another franchise. I'm not going to get excited about this movie because Marvel has decided it was going to be a franchise, or because they "decided" it was going to be big.
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So, Is his sister Sue black? Or is he adopted?
I couldn't care less who they hire, as long as they do a great job. Also, his sister HAS to be the same race — or at least choose someone who looks black (the actress could be Hispanic or Italian).
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His sister is not the same race. She is to be played by Kate Mara: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Mar…
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Be interesting to see how they justify that.
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Adoption. Step-brother. Couple of realistic ways.
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He'd better be worth it!
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I'm not sure why we should be concerned about him being "worth it," given that we as the fans are being inconvenienced in any way.
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It's just a pretty major change from the source material. If they can't work around it, they should never have done it.
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They are working around it. Quite easily, in fact.
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Glad to hear. The previous series, though flawed, was good (and deserved to be finished). It even improved with the second film!
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A classmate at my school is one of those people who is angry at the decision to make the Human Torch black. He says it takes away from the character is in the comics even though he has no problem with the Black Nick Fury (he says since it has comic book roots its okay BTW I'm black I prefer the 616 Nick Fury, the white one) and he said it's as bad as making the Black Panther or Luke Cage white. Personally at first I was kind of against but as time went on I started to be more open to the idea and see how it goes. Like everyone bitched about Heimdall being black in Thor, but after the movie was released everyone seemed to stopped. I thinks it's best that we see the films to see if its perfect or not. My only concern is that I'm afraid the Jordan is going to be the stereotypical token black guy.
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i dont mind that they're trying to change it up, but they should keep it authentic to the franchise, i like black nick furry, i think its nice that they chose to do the black nick, i dont have anything against the actor, i just feel like its marvel campaigning trying to be "edgy", its more so annoying, to me, that's like trying to make blade white
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Marvel's not the one casting it. It's Fox.
I don't see what is so annoying about it, given that race never defined the character before. Of all the things that defined Johnny Storm, being "white" was never one of them.
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