Silnroz In reply to RS-Kyra [2013-03-03 05:12:13 +0000 UTC]

Smashing!

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Rotae In reply to Miamoo [2006-05-13 04:13:23 +0000 UTC]

Aww!! Thank you!! And thank you for all the s!!

Mhmmm... that's how I work. I love working backwards with people. *gigglesnort*

Peace,
Rotae

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Rotae In reply to imaginepax [2006-03-12 02:38:15 +0000 UTC]

Lol. It's an argument I had with this guy over whether Dorea and Charlus COULD be James' parents. lol.

Peace,
Rotae

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imaginepax In reply to Rotae [2006-03-14 23:20:32 +0000 UTC]

Alrighty. It's a loverly cartoon, I particularly like how well you've portrayed the Dursleys. Dudley is realistically piggish, which I've always had trouble picturing in my mind. Especially with the "thick blonde mop" on top of his head. And Hyacinth Langley looks very much the strict ballet teacher. You are quite brilliant indeed!

So...I feel a bit foolish...are Dorea and Charlus characters already mentioned in the books? And you are making the connection with them and James? Or is it that they are characters in your mind that you suspect might really exist in JKRs mind?

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Rotae In reply to imaginepax [2006-03-15 00:38:47 +0000 UTC]

Yes, I am indeed quite brilliant *ego inflates to the size of James'*, lmao!! Thank you so much!

It's from the Black Family Tree that JK wrote, here: [link] That is a computerised version of the original, which was bought by Dan Radcliffe at auction for charity.

Peace,
Rotae

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imaginepax In reply to Rotae [2006-03-16 18:53:04 +0000 UTC]

Oooh, I see! Veeerry interesting... I think you're probably right, there. JKR doesn't do coincidences. Unless she's just having a bit of fun and being tricky. But I don't think thats it.

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Rotae In reply to imaginepax [2006-03-16 23:55:07 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, that was my thoughts. And, James' parents and family didn't matter to the plot line, so she just got rid of them. I think that this might even be just a nice present from her.

What do you think about Draco's last name originally being "Spungen" lmao!!!

Peace,
Rotae

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imaginepax In reply to Rotae [2006-03-17 01:32:59 +0000 UTC]

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Rotae In reply to imaginepax [2006-03-17 01:55:39 +0000 UTC]

Draco Lucius Spungen... lol. Lucius Abraxas Spungen... No wonder Ron laughed at his name!! lmao!!

Peace,
Rotae

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imaginepax In reply to Rotae [2006-03-23 00:25:38 +0000 UTC]

Hehehe.... no one could resist that!

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Rotae In reply to imaginepax [2006-03-23 00:30:29 +0000 UTC]

He's only human!! lol. I don't think that I'd be able to take them seriously with a last name like that. lol.

Peace,
Rotae

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imaginepax In reply to Rotae [2006-03-23 00:47:03 +0000 UTC]

Nope, me neither! Not at all.

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Rotae In reply to niji-emi [2006-03-09 11:21:11 +0000 UTC]

Thank you so much!! I love original!!

Peace,
rotae

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Rotae In reply to PinkPanthress [2006-03-09 11:20:51 +0000 UTC]

I love Lily. Yeah... I don't know how to draw the Dursleys... lol. I made them too cute, damn it!! lol.

Peace,
Rotae

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PinkPanthress In reply to Rotae [2006-03-10 22:45:47 +0000 UTC]

Ah, that's allright... At least you gave Petunia the Horse-Face...

BTW, I read through the Argument between you and James above.
I looked thorugh the Black-Tree, too. And I think your Comment is possible on 50%. I loved your explainings of your Ideas on how they could be related. And even if they are not Harrys' Granparents, Charlus always could be his Fathers (James) Uncle {younger Brother of James Father), 'cause there was never said, if Harrys' Grandfather or Grandmother were only Childrens, too.. Sorry, but I read it whole through and it was very interesting, so I had to give my 2 or 3 Knuts to it, too.

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Rotae In reply to PinkPanthress [2006-03-11 01:39:09 +0000 UTC]

Lol. I Petunia. I want to give her a hug.

Mmmhmm... I just thought it was so arrogant not to even admit the possibility... fuckwit... lol.

Peace,
Rotae

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PinkPanthress In reply to Rotae [2006-03-14 10:25:32 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, absolutely right Rotae. Just 'cause he works there, doesn't mean he has the inside-key to JKR's Mind.
It 'is possible, 'til the Day we get Book 7 and/or the Book she admitted she would write maybe one Day for Background knowledge on the HP-Series, on Charity-Purpose.

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Rotae In reply to PinkPanthress [2006-03-14 12:47:47 +0000 UTC]

I mean, I completely give room to the fact that they're NOT his parents, I mean, they probably aren't, but... gah!! There was a POSSIBILITY!! lol.

Peace,
Rotae

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PinkPanthress In reply to Rotae [2006-03-23 17:37:54 +0000 UTC]

Think of your Heart, Dear.

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Rotae In reply to PinkPanthress [2006-03-24 02:32:22 +0000 UTC]

Lol. Just breathe... heeee hooooooo.... lol.

Peace,
Rotae

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Rotae In reply to erlondeiel [2006-02-19 00:05:39 +0000 UTC]

Thank you very much!!

Peace,
Rotae

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Rotae In reply to Turkmen [2006-02-18 11:41:07 +0000 UTC]

Did I? lol. I didn't meant to!!

Peace,
Rotae

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Rotae In reply to AmberPalette [2006-02-18 02:10:04 +0000 UTC]

Uh... she doesn't like Lily? lol. And Lupin is a flower... she doesn't like Remus? Arabella Figg, Fleur Delacour, Madam "Poppy" Pomfrey, Moaning Myrtle? Narcissa Malfoy? Apart from Myrtle (who she's said she likes), they are all very strong women... lol. I can totally believe that Petunia and Lily are related... see my description lol. I have their relationship all worked out. I really feel sorry for Petunia. I want to hug her and tell her that she's special too lol.

Yeah... it's hard when they say he looks exactly like James cept for the eye colour... and the only other thing that is different is that James has a longer nose, apparently... but I wasn't fussed with him. I don't like him or Dudley (though I'm intrigued by Dudley as a character... I really want to know what he saw with the dementors... I'm going to write that in my book 7 fan fic! )

OMG... what do you think of James' parents?! I totally them

Thankyou for teh too!

Peace,
Rotae

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AmberPalette In reply to Rotae [2006-02-18 02:14:29 +0000 UTC]

LOL! I know, that's why that claim has been recanted and why I said I was only teasing I can never tell when you are angry or just friendly debating with me, I hope it is the latter X3

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Rotae In reply to AmberPalette [2006-02-18 03:42:32 +0000 UTC]

I am NEVER angry at you!! lol. That's the problem with the internet, you never really know what people mean. It's something like, only 10% of communication is speech... it's body language and tone and stuff. Okay... for reference. If I say "lol" I'm being stupid, and you should in no way take it seriously. I am never entirely serious about anything, so never take it to be that I'm angry at you

Question: Do you want to hug Petunia too? Because I see a lot of similarites between her and Draco. I'd be interested to know what you think. Where you want to hug Draco and feed him stuff, I want to do that with Petunia. lol.

Peace,
Rotae

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AmberPalette In reply to Rotae [2006-02-18 19:21:37 +0000 UTC]

LOl o good. And well I don't like Petunia as wellas Draco because she's a parent figure and doing a shitty job of it, but I do like her a LOT better than Dudley and Vernon, because she IS willing to keep Harry protected

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Rotae In reply to AmberPalette [2006-02-18 22:49:26 +0000 UTC]

Mmm... I think that she feels that she was treated badly as a child. She was overshadowed by Lily and not given much attention, and now she didn't want to do that with Dudley (with Harry), so she is REALLY over compensating. What do you think?

Peace,
Rotae

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AmberPalette In reply to Rotae [2006-02-18 23:47:24 +0000 UTC]

Completely, yes. ALl the witch freak cracks are her way of trying to feel superior to Lily in just one way--even if that superiority is superior boring normal housewifery

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Rotae In reply to AmberPalette [2006-02-19 00:06:58 +0000 UTC]

That's why I wanna hug her and tell her she's special even without doing that. lol. Maybe if someone had done that earlier she wouldn't have treated Dudley and Harry the way she has.

Peace,
Rotae

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AmberPalette In reply to Rotae [2006-02-19 01:25:26 +0000 UTC]

very true!

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Rotae In reply to Morgan-I-Maboy [2006-02-18 02:02:10 +0000 UTC]

Yeah... don't believe that. I'm going to write a rebuttle. lol. It IS possible. VERY possible.

Peace,
Rotae

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Morgan-I-Maboy In reply to Rotae [2006-02-18 05:30:04 +0000 UTC]

I know! But.....did you read the article...IT MADE SOOOOOOOO MUCH SENSE!!!!!!! *whines some more* Oh well.......it could be possible......

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Rotae In reply to Morgan-I-Maboy [2006-02-18 06:48:19 +0000 UTC]

No, seriously, it IS possible. Everything in that argument hinges on ONE quote. I know the person who wrote it. I had a huge argument with them about it.

Here's the argument:
"As for the ages, according to JKR, when James was born, his parents were already "elderly" in wizard terms. So, let's speculate that James's parents were born in 1870, and James was born when both of them were 90. This isn't so unlikely - wizards live a lot longer than Muggles, so it's likely that their procreation is different too. JKR says that Theodore Nott has been raised by his "very elderly" father - Nott's dad might have been in his 70s, 80s, 90s, whatever, when he was born. Back to James's parents - they then could have died at any point over the next 21 years, probably reaching the age of 100+. They were probably much older.
My point is, Dorea and Charlus are far too young to be James's parents. Dorea died when she was 57 - that's not elderly, even to Muggles. JKR said James's mum was elderly when she died - so it could not, surely, have been Dorea. Unless JKR has made a collossal mess-up of her own backstory in six months, and is writing a story about a boy falling in love with his third cousin once-removed but never finding out.
Posted by James"

"Here's the quote:
"James's parents were elderly, were getting on a little when he was born, which explains the only child, very pampered, had-him-late-in-life-so-he's-an-extra-treasure, as often happens, I think. They were old in wizarding terms, and they died. They succumbed to a wizarding illness. That's as far as it goes."
Elderley when he was BORN. 40 is quite late to have a child, especially if it's your FIRST. And especially if this is 1960.
You could take the "They were old in wizarding terms" as when he was born, as well. The second part of the sentence could just an add on. They also didn't succumb to OLD AGE. They contracted a wizarding illness. They didn't die because they got to 60 and died of old age.
It is very possible that Dorea and Charlus aren't James' parents. It is also very possible that they are. I, for one, would like to believe that J.K is doing something extra nice for us, in giving us a bit of background on Harry's dad, seeing as we get so much about his mum.
Peace,
Rotae"

"Sorry, Rotae, I just don't think that argument holds up. "Elderly", here in Britain, you're looking at 60-plus, and that's in Muggle terms. I've checked the Muggle timeline again, and Dorea would have been 39 if she ws James's mother when she was born. That is NOT elderly by any stretch, even for having kids these days. Heck, JKR is over 40 and still having kids! I don't think she'd want to call that elderly. She also specifically said this: "They were old in wizarding terms, and they died." They died at a very old age, in wizarding terms. No ambiguity there. We're looking at something in the 100s. Sorry, I don't think it's possible that Charlus and Dorea are Harry's grandparetns, and it wouldn't make much sense on a storytelling level either. I know some people want to believe it - but the evidence doesn't hold up. Why weren't they blasted off the tree? Why did Dumbledore say Harry has no other living relatives?
Charlus and Dorea cannot be Harry's granparents. It makes no sense given the canon we have.
Posted by James"

"So what you're saying is that wizards and witches can have children when they're 60/70? And I am fully aware of what is considered "elderly" in Britain.
There are many reasons why they weren't blasted off the family tree. Perhaps Sirius' mother wasn't aware of the Potters taking Sirius in like a son (Sirius certainly wasn't going to tell them). The Potters are an old wizarding family, so Dorea wouldn't have been blasted, they had a pure-blood son, and Mrs Black probably never knew of James and Lily's marraige (as J.K said Harry's christening was a small affair, I'm sure that their wedding would have been too, what with them being in the Order and Lily being a muggle-born, the ceremony would have been a prime target).
And Dorea and Charlus died before Harry was born... Dumbledore wasn't going to hand Harry over to Sirius' mother, was he? Or any of her relatives when most of them were involved in what Lily and James were trying to fight. And, the reason that he gave Harry to Petunia was because of HER blood, not James' relatives. James' relatives wouldn't have had the protection that Lily's sister does. And, J.K wanted Harry to have no one.
Anyway... lol. I'm probably wrong, but I seriously don't see any real evidence that contradicts it. We can dream!!
Peace,
Rotae"

"I'm sure if the Blacks knew about Alphard giving Sirius some money, they would have known about Sirius going off to live with the Potter during the summer. Yes, the Potters are an old wizarding family - but by taking Sirius in, they would have "betrayed their blood", so if they were ever on the tree, they'd have been blasted off. If you think Dorea and Charlus are James's parents (despite the fact that it makes no sense and doesn't fit in with canon), then answer this - why did Sirius never point them out when he told Harry about James's parents? He talked at length about James's parents in OotP, while he and Harry were standing right in front of the family tree. If James's mum and dad were ever on the tree, he would have pointed them out - it would only have taken a line of dialogue. JKR didn't write it, because it's not relevent - because the Potters on the tree are not Harry's grandparents.
And the point I'm making is not that Dumbledore said specifically he had to give Harry to Lily's blood - in PS, he made the sweeping statement that ALL of Harry's family is dead, except the Dursleys. JKR also said that in an interview. Harry being distantly related to the Weasleys doesn't make sense.
Posted by James"

"Alphard left a will. He left Sirius a decent bit of gold. LEFT being the key word. Obviously there would have been a reading of the will and the Blacks would know about Sirius getting the money.
Sirius was at the Potters for two holidays, at the most. But, why should Mrs. Black know, anyway? Dorea and Charlus were her aunt and uncle (approx. 20 years older), and who says they didn't lie, if she even asked, to protect Sirius?
Why didn't Sirius point out there was a Potter, when we know there definitely is one? Even if it wasn't James' parents, why wouldn't he say "there's your great uncle, Charlus"?
James Potter WAS a pure-blood. That fact is definite. It is also definite that all pure-blood families are related. Therefore, Harry was always going to have SOME wizarding relatives, either not close ones, or ones that he wouldn't want to know about (Mrs. Black). The Weasley's are related to Sirius, distantly. If you look at the relationships, it's likely that an ancestor of the Weasleys actually married a Black in Phineas Nigellus' generation. Possibly the burn on the right. Sirius, James and the Weasley's were ALWAYS going to be related, because they are all pure-bloods. Therefore Harry was ALWAYS going to be related to the Weasley's.
Peace,
Rotae"

"Yes, Harry was always going to be related to the Weasleys. The point I am making is that he is not a BLOOD RELATION. He is only related to them through the marriage a random distant relative, Charlus, whoever he was. But he is not descended from Phineas, as the Weasleys are - he is descended from some other Potter, long ago in the past. So he is not a blood relative of Sirius, Ginny, Malfoy, or anyone like that.
Posted by James"

"But ALL pure-bloods are RELATED. They inbreed! Are you expecting the Potters to marry their own siblings? Of course they are going to have to have other well known pure-bloods in the line to keep them "pure". J.K said that there aren't many pure-blood families left, "If you're only going to let your sons and daughters marry pure-bloods your choice is very limited, there are hardly any of us left... and Arthur's something like my second cousin once removed" - Sirius. We don't see a Prewitt, a Parkinson, a Prince, a Crabbe, a Goyle, a Zabini (yet), surely SOMEONE from the Potters, who are an old wizarding family, would have married into the Blacks or the Prewitts, even the Weasleys... it could have happened four generations before Harry, but he WOULD be related, because there just isn't room for them NOT to be related. And just remember there are two sides to the Weasleys, four if you count Molly and Arthur's mothers. There simply isn't cause to believe that the Potters (and James' mother) weren't somehow blood related to the Weasleys, Malfoys or Blacks.
Peace,
Rotae"

"I'm not saying Harry's not related to them - I'm saying he's not directly descended from Phineas, so he's not a direct blood relative of the Weasleys or Sirius. He is related because great-uncle Charlus married into the Black family.
Think about it for a moment. They don't have to be related by blood in the last few generations - Sirius never says that. He says all the pure-blood families are interrelated. The Potters are an old pure-blood family. Great-uncle Charlus married into the Blacks, and had a son. This son would have been half-Potter, half-Black, meaning the Potter and Blacks ARE interrelated - but NOT in a way which genetically affects Harry. He is pure Potter/Evans, with no Black blood in him, because Charlus was not James's father. As for what has happened before this, you're making random speculations with no evidence either way, which isn't the way to go about it. We don't know how the interrelating went on before this, so it's useless to speculate. All we know is that only one Potter in the last 170 years married into the Blacks, and he isn't one of Harry's anscestors. So Harry was not descended from Phineas, so he's not related to the Weasleys or Sirius by blood, despite what may have happened centuries before.
And here's yet another piece of evidence that Dorea and Charlus could not have been James's parents:
* Sirius said in OotP that after he left school, at 17, and got his own house, Mr and Mrs Potter always invited him round for Sunday dinner. According to the Lexicon, which knows these things, Sirius finished school in 1978. Dorea died in 1977. That makes it a practical impossibility for Dorea to have invited him round for Sunday dinner, since she was already dead. Therefore, Dorea was not James's mother - James's mother died later.
The evidence just keeps mounting. I don't care either way about this, I'm not prejudiced. But I've looked at the evidence, and I think any sensible, objective view would say that, given what else we know, it is IMPOSSIBLE for Dorea and Charlus to be Harry's grandparents.
Posted by James"

"Your last statement is simply not true! It IS possible. I certainly give room for the fact that Charlus and Dorea AREN'T Harry's grandparents, but saying it's IMPOSSIBLE, when it isn't, is very arrogant, when it could be explained.
"...Dorea died in 1977. That makes it a practical impossibility for Dorea to have invited him round for Sunday dinner, since she was already dead. Therefore, Dorea was not James's mother - James's mother died later."
Yes. Sirius ran away from home when he was 16. He got his own house at 17. Consider this; what if Sirius' birthday is near Hermione's? Say it's September 30th 1959 (he would start school in 1971), Sirius would turn 17 within WEEKS of his 6th year (1976-77)! What if Dorea and Charlus died after September 1977... that would give Sirius a Christmas and a full summer break to go and have tea with the Potters. (Summer break is 2 1/2 - 3 months!!
James' parents would have to die somewhere between 1977 and 1981. That's only four years (and it's being HIGHLY lenient towards 1981). I find it INCREDIBLY coincidental that both Dorea's and Charlus died (according to you, early, for me, not an entirely unreasonable age for someone to be called "older") within a mere few years of James' parents.
No, they're (the Potters (Charlus) and Weasleys) not a direct decent of PHINEAS NIGELLUS... but there is another line to the left of him, and a huge scortch mark to the right. Also, who is to say that Phineas Nigellus' father didn't have siblings? This tree starts with Phineas Nigellus' father and mother. It doesn't start from the dawn of time. If his father had a brother or sister, they would also be Blacks. Who is to say that the Potters aren't from that line? This is just the Black family tree that relates to ONE particular line of the Black family. Not, the ENTIRE Black family. Harry COULD be related to the Blacks in ways OTHER than Charlus marrying Dorea. Who knows, if they AREN'T James' parents, maybe James' dad married a Black in a different line, who was directly descended from Phineas Nigellus' grandfather. It is highly possible that Harry could be blood related to the Blacks. Maybe that line is also related to Lucius Malfoy, or the Weasley's.
"As for what has happened before this, you're making random speculations with no evidence either way, which isn't the way to go about it."
So... we're not allowed to speculate now? Speculating is half the fun of the Harry Potter books! It's fantastic to live in an age where we can debate about what we think might happen, who is related to who... to say that speculating "isn't the way to go about it" is being a bit of a killjoy.
Peace,
Rotae"

"It is impossible. James's mother was elderly in wizard terms when she died. Dorea was 57, not even elderly in Muggle terms. Therefore, she's not James's mum.
It's not that difficult. Looking around the web, most fans now seem to agree that they probably weren't his parents.
Posted by James"

"Popularity doesn't mean it's right. It was very popular to think that Harry was the Heir of Gryffindor...
It seems that this argument is all about that one quote. J.K. said basically, she needed to get rid of his parents. That was it. James' parents needed to be outta here. Now, looking at it logically, 40 is quite old to be having your FIRST child. It's not unheard of, but it's rare. Especially in 1960. If these are James' parents, to muggles (like ourselves) it would seem HIGHLY odd if James' mother had him when she was, say, 70. I know that she said that they were "old in wizarding terms", but the Great One has been known to be incorrect with her maths *cough* Weasley's ages *cough*. James' parents AREN'T IMPORTANT to the plot-line. Whether they were old or young when they died, makes no difference. I seriously think that she might have just whacked them in there to give us a thrill. It didn't change the plot, so what would it matter? lol. I'm not sure she did, but it would be something might do.
And I don't agree with you on how wizards age. I think that's where we're having a problem. I think, that wizards and witches reproductive cycles are like our own, and that they age slower in their twilight years. Meaning, I don't think that witches can have children when they're 60. We see no evidence to suggest that they do, so why should we speculate? Hm? lol.
Anyway... I am off to bed, because it's a quater to three in the morning here. Goodnight.
Peace,
Rotae"

Anyway... I am going to write a rebuttle.

Peace,
Rotae

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