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Does he look pathetic enough?
Here's Jason having Dick feels
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aw, poor Dick
I love the brotherly relationship between these too (even though this is slash I still love it). The hate/love bond between them is great, and when Jason finally starts reconnecting with the family, its even better.Β
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Haha omg yessss. Jay why you make Dick lonely?! Phew wuvs you!!! Hehe, love how Bruce just sighs, knowing Dick will be Dick
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Aren't they like... arch-rivals or something that hardly ever spend time together anyway because Jason is normally on his own and Dick is always surrounded by friends?
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True, except for the friends part. But the fandom I guess took their time in the Outsiders and made them out to be like best bros or something like that.
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Well... pre-New 52 Dick was like the heart of the DCU. So he was normally surrounded by friends.
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Is he the heart of the DCU? Yes he is. Was he normally surrounded by them? No, certainly not. Dick loves people and all but he's a total stress-monster around them. Him leading the Titans takes away and laid-back playful personality he has left and turns it into everything Batman has instilled in him to act efficiently. Dick likes to work and take things solo- the Batfamily an exception since he knows them best. Dick feels like he has a moral responsibility around others not associated with the batfamily. Contradictory enough, he's actually a rather insensitive guy. Throughout the Nightwing pre-boot series he was constantly trying to avoid the aid of Batman- pretty much people in general. He prefers things on his own accord.
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Actually that insensitive Nightwing phase when he wouldn't accept help from people was... well a phase when he was trying to prove himself as an independent hero. And many times while he would claim he no longer wants the leadership position, he would keep ending up in that role. So he eventually embraced it and his responsibilities. That doesn't mean he was without flaws. Because of this he had a habit of constantly trying stay above his impulses and keep a composed image in front of others. So yes, it was stressful at times. But it was a much better Nightwing than this current one. And there was no one more capable of being him than him. He was the balance between the old and new generation of heroes because they all connected to him.Β
I also don't think he was THAT insensitive. He would always try to be the nice guy Batman isn't by taking the feelings of others into consideration. However, as a leader and hero, he still needed to be the one to make practical decisions. Yeah, he sometimes had moments where he didn't really want to deal with people and had his own issues to sort out but everybody has those moments. And he wasn't just the moral center to the Titans. He still was the moral center of the Bat-fam. A good way to make Bruce abandon his rules is to hurt Dick. Seriously. He picked up a gun upon seeing Nightwing shit. Thats because one of the main reasons Batman needed Robin (Dick Grayson) was to remind himself of his goals. To not allow himself to fall into the darkness. Later on we see Dick helping Tim out of his darker moments on many occasions (Resurrection of Ras Al Guhl is an example). In Battle for the Cowl, he never gave up on trying to save Jason Todd from himself, despite how anfry he was with Jason (he even scolded himself everytime he hit Jason too hard). And Damion is a very obvious example of Dick being the heart.
And like I said, while it did stress him out sometimes, he still didn't see it as a bad thing and normally pulled himself out of his lower points. Yeah, he had some solo comics but he also had many many team up comics that included a large group. It's what happens when you're the surrogate son of the Justice League. The prodigal son of the Bat-fam. And the father of the Titans and every team the was inspired by them. And he did a good job with it. And while Nightwing would never be the symbol Batman and Superman are in the eyes of the public (and criminals) he became a symbol the heroes around him.
This New 52 Nightwing is just... I don't even fucking know. He's just Nightwing. He's not really a big symbol to anybody. He doesn't really have a mark on the DCU. He's just another one of them. It's rather a let down.
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Oh, man sorry for the late reply- I'm a sucker for procrastination.
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In the pre-boot he did have a rather depressing phase indeed (especially all that Blockbuster angst) but I'd also like to remind you why Dick uses levity so much. Dick in general may seem pretty chill and compassionate (well, he's trying to be, and most of the time he pulls through) but those actions all seem to direct towards him trying too hard to find an outlet to all of his stress. Dick over the years has been so caught up into his vigilante work that if he had a choice to spend his free time with those inviting and patrolling, whether or not he'd be dragged into it, vigilante work would be on his mind. Since it's been introduced to him it's constantly in his train of thought- even in his Teen Titans Robin days Dick took his partnership with others dead serious. This causes rifts and doubts in all of his close relationships. As far as I'm concerned this is how Barbara dumped him. Sure Dick has a heart of gold for people but that doesn't excuse his insensitivity= a general lack of understanding with other's feelings. Again, to set an example, is his constant impulsive need to comment with levity. He tries to spread some positivity, and in the case of Damian, yes, it does at times go well- but Dick has to really work at taking action and being the therapist. Dick constantly tries to push his limits for himself and others. He's also aware of this- his worst fear for example is not adding up/failing to his loved one's expectations. (particularly focusing on Bruce)
- Dick's reoccuring hit and miss feelings that he misinterprets from others are those based on love and or affection. (Especially if it involves the past)
- Dick seems to be highly analytical like so many others of the Batfam so he seems to be at best with understanding others when it comes to decision making or just a reassuring usually vague comment that things will be alright and he believes in said person. (An overprotective believer) He likes to leave room for the other person to interpret)Β
I do agree New 52 Nightwing thus far is totally on my bad side for making Dick on the Batfamily sidelines- basically a character who doesn't add up to the "Heart of the DC Universe" title at all. He's hardly more than a troubled loner. He may have to work for it differently in these universes though. It is a fairly new reboot, afterall. There's tons of room for character development.
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Barely any room since they decided to go the route of making him a loner and even foreshadowing him becoming an enemy.
The rest of what you said holds ground. I'd say that Dick was indeed imperfect but I still liked the character a lot more. But even though Babs broke up with him, she still admits that she loves him dearly and that part of it wasn't just his constant need to life the mood, but her knowingly being too skeptical at times.
But everyone can admit that Dick's heart is what really draws others towards him. He wasn't perfect but he had a good soul and a lot of character development. As Bruce said, Dick was meant to be in the center ring.
New 52 Nightwing however... not so much.
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Well, I guess we'll have to hope for some kind of rifting event again like Superwoman revealing his identity for anything big to change in his New 52 personality or role. Honestly, the only thing I liked really of the Nightwing New 52 series was the beginning introduction- I liked the exploration of Dick's antics in his circus days. It's always nice to see a little exploration in backstories. Other than that, his characterization really bored and disappointed me.
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Too bad so sad, probs another 20 years t'ill we get another reboot...
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Indeed.
#fucknonew52
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#fuckedyouoverforanother20yearssuckersbuyourproducts
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I haven't fallen for the trap. I no longer buy New 52 shit. Not for a long time.
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They treat Dick like a sex object in Grayson anyway
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I know.Β
Y'know, I used to be mad at DC for nearly ruining Jason's character but for some reason this is so much worse.
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I mean he's always been sexualized but I'm just uspet by the amount of it already in Grayson. You mean New 52 Jason, right? Yeah, didn't like Red Hood and the Outlaws other than the fact that Roy is buddies with Jay. Don't even get me started on Kori...
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I mean New 52 Jason of course and Grant Morrison Jason.
Grant Morrison made Jason red headed again (for no reason) and just too weird and then too silly for Jason. I do not like a silly Jason. I like a serious treated Jason.
But that could've healed. Someone could've fixed Jason from that because it could've been written off as a phase.
New 52 Jason is taken seriously but... is just so boring. So so so so so boring. Yeah, I like that writers wanna take Jason seriously now but they aren't doing it in the right way. Jason is supposed to be terrifying. Threatening. Unhinged. Yet at the same time cold and calculating. He can crack jokes in the face of danger but also can burst out in anger. He can be a real ass but at the same time you can't help but feel bad for him and see the depths in him.
This... New Jason is just a sad pretty boy for fangirls to woo over. His crossovers with others heroes (like Supergirl) are just plain dumb. Jason was the black sheep of the super heroes. Now he's treated like he's just another one of them. He gets perfectly along with Tim now for some reason. He has some civilian girlfriend (he met on a plane) that is OKAY with the things he does. He's now just another superhero. In fact, he's probably the most lighthearted out of all the heroes now since they are making HUGE efforts to make Superman, Captain Marvel (I refuse to call him Shazam), Nightwing, Wonder Woman, and of course, Batman (and so much more), all look much more grimm. It doesn't make ANY sense.
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I'm glad you put it "taking Jason seriously". Aside from Red Hood Lost Days and a few other minimal series and appearances, the writers in Pre-52 hardly made him more than an ignorant bastard. I think even at one point in time, Tim referred Jason as a "big galavanting idiot". That's not Jason in slightest. Having a different moral code, mind you Tim of all people doesn't make the person any less bright. I've had my issues with Jason in all of his continuities. He has so much potential bit the writers don't want to explore as much as they should. They seem to either make him stagnant or completely unemotional and irrationally compulsive with killing- I had some issues with Jason's logic and choices in Battle for the Cowl even though they stayed true to his desire to become Batman and take into his own hands.Β
Overall, New 52 seems to put Superman in situations to make him an asshole and Jason seems to be the carefree jokester of the bunch, yes. It's weird, but we're just gonna have to deal with it.
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I'm glad the fandom when It's not full of super happy child boytoy Dick has stayed true to the good aspects of Post-Crisis. ^^
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He was the best in my opinion.
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He was the best in a lot of people's eyes too. He's one of the most popular characters DC has to offer... well, at least going by comic fans.
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Yup.
Then DC decided to appease to their not as dedicated fans.Β
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Yeah, the whole "we're gonna try to get newer readers on this" ideal was a complete failure because they just turned all the almost all the batfamily characters static and lacking dynamic and impact.
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Exactly! EXACTLY!!!!
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Well, at least a good majority of others realize this too. Who knows, maybe we might afterall have an impact on DC.
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Hmm, however a great deal of the fandom views and portrays Dick and the batfamily inaccurately as well.
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Yeah. Most portray Bruce as some godmod or a psychotic man child when he in fact is somewhere in between those things in the comics lol.
As for Dick, they always portray him as a sex object. No matter which sexuality. It kinda bugs me. I don't mind Nightwing being a charmer but come on.
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Definitely in between and a little but more of other things people don't like admitting lol
Well, It's definitely a nice break from oversexualized females but I guess that's just what DC Comics is willing to do and what the fandom is willing to do if the majority of the readers are women. (Because the media discludes other sexualities females may have)
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Sometimes it irks me however. Fanservice is a problem for me.
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I don't mind a little fanservice but sometimes it shows up when it doesn't make sense. And that's when it bothers me.Β
For example, I like Black Canary's outfit but it's impractical that she leaves such a huge cleavage window. I mean Power Girl and Wonder Woman can be forgiven because they are nigh invincible but Black Canary is a mortal for crying out loud.
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It's just something DC willΒ inevitably consider, taking in regards to the superior appearance and physicality of superheroes- most often at times, heroines.Β
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*patiently awaits for reboot which will realistically not come until a least another decade*
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*praying convergence will be great*
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