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SinLigereep β Reference vs Trace rant
Published: 2012-02-29 00:50:36 +0000 UTC; Views: 1184; Favourites: 5; Downloads: 9
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People are getting their panties in a bunch over someone doing this and calling it referencing. Personally, I still think it's still referencing and not tracing :\Instead of going back and forth between the canvas and the picture the artist was referencing to draw a basic structure of the pose, The artist put the picture layer under the layer they were drawing on and drew the SKETCH of the basic structure on top of the picture. Everything else the artist drew on their own, lines, character, color, paint, etc etc. The sketch, since it was a sketch, was erased so wasn't even in the final product. The only thing that even hints to it being there is the pose of the character.
And everyone is all huff and puff about it because they think it's tracing?
Wut. I just. I don't get this.
DOES IT MATTER EITHER WAY? It's basically the same dang thing except one is more exact while the other is more vague. Both are used to learn how to draw. Both you're supposed to give credit to the artist you're learning from. Both you're supposed to ask permission from the artist first before doing. Both I suggest you don't do anyway!
There's too much drama behind them. You're better off not doing either method. Just get a dang anatomy or art book to learn from or look at tutorials. Look at things actually around you. Step back from the computer screen and go on a nature walk with your sketchbook.
Those of you who are waddling around causing drama about people who do such things, just ignore it and/or report it!
I mean really.
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I don't even think it's worth that much argument or crying. As far as I'm concerned, imitating a pose is by no means stealing. It's just ........imitating a pose.
If you need to trace or use a base, that doesn't make you a criminal. Yeah, credit's due where credit's due, but I mean REALLY. I say use your best judgement. If you heavily relied on another picture, then just link it. Many people use techniques like this to IMPROVE their own style, not to rob other artists blind.
I've never done either of these things, but then again, I've never practiced much in the pose department. xD However, I do have trouble with poses and I can see how doing something like this might help someone who's trying to learn.
People forget that sites like DA and etc are HOBBY-BASED. If you get a hair up your ass over every little thing, then it really loses its fun. There's no "cheating" or "fair rules" in art. If you're so afraid of being ripped off, you really shouldn't post your art and make it available to the whole world.
I believe in fair credit and everything, but it's never going to be a perfect world out there. Tracing is blatantly stealing, but I don't see how using an image as a base or boundary is so wrong. It's basically just like using a reference. Many artists need more guidance, and it's not fair to attack them for getting a little help.
"OH HE DIDN'T CREDIT ME FOR STEALING MY DOGGIE'S FRAME STRUCTURE THAT NOBODY SEES." Who gives a rat's ass? Like it's mentioned above, you can't copyright a pose, and in posting your image freely online, you're doing it to yourself. If you REALLY want ALL the credit to yourself - If its THAT important to you, then I'd recommend you only SELL your work as prints, and etc.
Basically, what I'm saying is, it's a free country, and people are going to do what they do. I don't see any wrongs in taking a shortcut like imitating a pose. That's how we improve, and it's silly to me that people get into fights over what's fair or not. Honestly, if I were to take an image and copy it's pose, but do enough tweaks to make it mine (Like the lion and the wolf shown above), I would NOT feel inclined to ask for permission from the original artist. Us humans learn by imitation, and it's just a practice technique to try to copy what we see.
Might I ask why you are suddenly passionate about this subject, Miss Sin?
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THANK YOU.
I tend to have a hard time explaining what I mean but this completely explains it perfectly.
I'm all riled up about this because of this: [link]
Who is riled up about this: [link]
The artist is brilliant, but is getting smack just because everyone thinks what he calls 'Referencing' is 'tracing'? Wtf is wrong with people.
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Oh..... my god. To even get upset about PHOTO-refrencing....? He's not even lying about it.... I really don't get what's so wrong about that.... You have to be skilled to just trace a photo, hahah.
Hilarious how jealousy can manifest itself as accusations...
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Lmao, Inorite?
It's absolutely ridiculous.
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Direct pose tracing isn't really kosher, no matter how dissimilar the pictures end up being. :U
At least to me, there is a difference between eyeballing a pose, in which the end result includes more of your own artistic choices/mistakes/you, and drawing on top of the original, where it seems like the goal is to have THAT EXACT POSE rather than your own drawing. :\
But that's just me, I mean⦠this is kind of a gray-area I guess ;;; To me it's not okay to take someone's exact pose at all, no matter how you do it, but eyeballing at least is better than drawing on top of something. /shrug/
also I understand your frustration with people making a fuss and I srs am not trying to make a big deal out this <_>
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Not if you're like me and when I eye-ball, I'm like a scanner and people will mistaken my freehand-eyeballing as tracing =A=
It doesn't matter either way. They're both flamed, so it's best to just don't do either.
The thing with poses, if we weren't to do the exact pose as anyone else, we wouldn't be able to exist. Every second, someone is doing the exact pose you're doing at the exact moment. I can't tell you how many times I've come across artist1 all riled up about artist2 because they're assuming artist2 traced their picture just because the pose is exactly the same when artist2 hadn't ever seen the picture artist1 is referring to.
It's the same kind of thing when it comes to colors/markings.
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