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Published: 2013-06-08 13:59:01 +0000 UTC; Views: 8403; Favourites: 392; Downloads: 70
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!BIG FILE!Finished: 8.6.2013
Tools: Photoshop
My previous wing tutorial:
Yayy, more wings!
At first I was about to just redo my old wing tutorial, add a few things and explain them more thoroughly, but then I said screw that and decided to get to the main point.
I wrote the text in one night when I got really angry about some ugly wings and bad arguments for them. xD I had to clean up the text a lot afterwards though.
I decided to keep the appearance somewhat close to the previous tutorial.
Oh, and by the way: I don't own any of the bird images in this tutorial. I have gathered reference pictures on my drive and because I name them with numbers I don't know where I've got them.
So if somebody owns an image of this tutorial and doesn't want me to use it then please tell me and I'll replace or remove it.
The only photo I own is that where I brutally photoshopped my own arms. x) Oh, and the texture on the bg.
I hope you find this helpful! Questions and comments, good or bad, are welcome!
Ps. And of course there's a typo. xD Obsesive -> Obsessive
Sulfur Crested Cockatoo photo by ~chezem
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Comments: 94
Noooo periaatteessahan täällä voi antaa niitä tähtiäkin töille, jos siinä vaan on premium-tilin kritiikkimahdollisuus käytössä
Jep, en minäkään oleta käyttäväni noita netistä etsimiäni mallikuvia missään, mutta ainakin joihinkin on silti tullut laitettua ylös osoitekin. Eihän sitä koskaan tiedä...
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On maailmassa monta niin ihmeellistä asiaa. x)
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Kuten se, miten tärkeää on osata piirtää jotkut helevetin sulat prikulleen oikein
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All these people like freakin get their wing feathers wrong and it pisses me off! Thank Gawd (lol) someone actually does it right xp
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Certainly valid points, but like you and your wing rant I have an issue with people not crediting photographers. I see you don't have the source saved, but then why not just a take a little extra time to find new photos from DA stock ect. so you can properly credit?
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The reason I didn't do that is simply that there weren't good enough photos here on dA. By "good enough" I mean that they didn't show the feathers the way I wanted to show them. And since I already had gathered good photos, it felt quite useless to start finding new photos that wouldn't have made my point as clear as the ones I already had.
And oh well. I'm not claiming the pictures as mine, I'm not using them for profit and they are just for educational purposes. So as I said in the description, if a photographer still doesn't want me to use their photo I'll remove it. If they want me to credit them, I will.
I actually tried to search for the photographers, but I know that most of my photos aren't from dA at all (and you can imagine how many photos there are of Bald Eagles for example). I often search for pictures simply from google based on the species. (because I may need ref for certain species' patterns or form) Some of the sites either don't exist anymore or the photos have been removed, because I simply can't find them anymore.
I know that the cockatoo picture is from dA and I found the photographer and linked them in the description.
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I realize you are asking photographers if they want you to credit, but really whats the chance that they will stumble upon this?
I also realize you are coming from a good place, trying to provide education which is great, but I still don't think it justifies not properly crediting. To me a photograph is a piece of art and its basically like using someone elses art in your tutorial and not crediting. I know there is nothing you can do now the tutorial is already made, but I hope next time you will sacrifice some extra time or vision to use photos you can credit.
I don't want to create some big drama or anything, just its such a big problem on the internet and I think its mostly because people have the mentality that its not a big deal to do it because everyone else does.
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Okay, I understand your distress with this issue, and I know I could have done this more professionally. Thanks for pointing this out. I'll choose my resources better in the future.
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Thank you for responding politely, wish you all the best
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Good that others care about wing anatomy too.
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I did it wrong the whole time...
Thanks for pointing this out!
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Well now you know. 
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Sorry for spamming, but I just realised a way to explain the overlapping. Every single one of natures wings are firm(not sure what word to use). Bats, butterflies, dragonflies, birds, everything that flies, has firm that have no holes. Just because birds wings are made of feathers, doesn't mean that they would be magically different ^^ The feathers are a great way to keep wings warm, flexible and easy to clean. They aren't weird in any way, they just are a freaking smart innovation
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Good point. 
Think about this: the bird flaps its wing down so that it can get higher. But after that it has to pull its wing back up. Wouldn't that cause the lift to fade away and make the bird go down? The answer is no, because bird's flying feathers turn sideways when it pulls its wings back/up. So the gaps get larger and more air goes through the wing. While when the bird pushes its wings back down, the feathers turn back and create more lift.
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Was that too complicated? One guy explained it on youtube once but I can't find the video. :S
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Ei ollu liian monimutkaista (kyllä huomasin vasta että oot suomalainen kanssa XD) Ja tosiaan linnun siivet on niin pirun nerokkaat 
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Jeah, ja sitten on vielä liito-oravat, liitoliskot ja liitokäärmeet, lentokaloista puhumattakaan.
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Thanks for making this
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I admit that feathers are complicated and can be a pain to draw if you're not familiar with them. I've grown up with chicken's and have been a bird enthusiast for my whole life so feathers have just kind of grown on me. I totally understand that is not the case with most other people. :')
But feathered wings are a lot of fun when you learn to work with them. Until then they are like backgrounds to me: tears, blood and hard work.
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Haha, mä huomasin jo jossain vaiheessa mut ajattelin että mennään englannilla yleisön vuoks. xD Vaan samapa se.
Ja ihan totta kyllä. Ihmiset ei huomaa siipien kans tehtyjä mokia kun ne ei nää niitä jatkuvasti.
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Haha olen tosi taitava talipää itse XD Mutta joo, eräskin tyyppi veti samat raget siitä että: kaikki saa piirtää tyylillään >
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Tyyli ja taito on tosiaan kaukana toisistaan, mutta jälkimmäistä kaipailevat tuntuu aina sekottavan ne keskenään. x)
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The truth is that usually people just don't see the difference and there are few that see that.
But your totally right. even if I don't usually draw no way realistic wings, I try to atleast make feather overlapping right :'D
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I know. And because people don't see the difference, they don't bother to check. : P
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Finally someone who understands me. There are so many very good artist (too) who make this one important mistake. ( 」´０｀)」
I sometimes just don't click ''add to favourites'' because of the mistakes on the wings.
This tutorial is well done and very helpful.
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Yeah, me too. It makes me dislike the whole picture if the wings are all wrong. :'D I understand if unexperienced artists make mistakes, because they are just learning, but it makes me see red when talented professionals don't bother to check wing anatomy just because they don't think it really matters to anyone.
And thanks! ^^ I hope so too.
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