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Remember the times Mirandas were Enterprise-killers and not cannon fodders? These little cruisers deserve some respect, people!Model by me
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Thanks! (and thanks for the fave)
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"At Hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee..."
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"Revenge is a dish best served cold... and it is very cold in space"
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Oh yeah!
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It has Kzinti fur upholstery everywhere
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Β That was back when they were still considered state-of-the-art.
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This is awesome!Β Can you do more Miranda-class (or Avenger-class) ships?Β And Constitution-class ships would be nice too :-DΒ Thanks for listening
bridder01
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Oh, I definitely will!
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Thank you! 
bridder01
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Personally, if I somehow ever became in charge of some official Star Trek production, I would totally stage it all on a Miranda class ship, and give that ship some of the attention it deserves. Plus, as the star ship, that'd give it plot armor, so the cannon fodder aspect would be nil in that event.
Unfortunately, the odds of that ever happening are not good.
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Well said and alas very true...
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We need an underdog ship show. Starship Polaris, maybe?
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They don't get much respect because they're old rust buckets out of production for almost a century. They'd deserve a lot of it because THEY'RE STILL IN SERVICE IN THE DOMINION WAR in spite of age and wear.
Some people need better perspective.
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These ships need to be respected! They are a design classic - who cannot be impressed when the ship made its debut in Wrath, when it flew over our heads, as it headed to Ceti Alpha Six?
Glorious
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Miranda kicked so much ass in 23rd century that they were still used as second line ships a century later. I don't think it make them cannon fodders. They clearly helped Starfleet keep the frontline when 24rd century ships made before Borg discovery were easily dispatched by the Dominion and the brand new hero class from First contact, VOY and DS9 were not numerous enough as shipbuilding was still recent.
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He who publishes first wins:
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I will never accept the Okuda designation for these ships, only in the case if one is talking about later hulls of this type.
The one TOS frigate that is my favourite is the Coventry Class.Β Β Despite the lower hull numbers, the Coventry Class is newer than the Surya, people have forgotten that the hull numbers weren't necessarily handed out in consecutive order. Also, I don't know why he did it, but Todd Guenther deviated from his earlier "Ships of the Star Fleet" coffee table format book by hanging the sensor dish from the FJ's scout classes.Β Β I only have the original, not his revised edition, mainly because I stopped going to cons around that time, hence, no more mad dashes to the dealers' room back then to blow through all my cash.
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Why have people forgotten that the three circular "lights/windows" on the bows of the Class One Primary Hulls are actually the navigational deflectors? In Jefferies' final design, the dish was only meant to be the main [downrange] sensor.Β On some blueprints in the '70s and '80s these three 'lights' were drawn with two different diameters, with the smaller diameter being a bow tractor beam,Β it doesn't help any that in "The Paradise Syndrome" that neither the original post-production crew, nor CBS Digital, in the remaster, showed the origin point of the heavy deflector beam during the attempt [nee scene] of Spock trying to budge the asteroid.Β They left it up to the viewers' imaginations, hence the confusion through all the years. Until TMP, when both functions were integrated, exasperated the matter because people were expecting another 'blue glowy thing' , as I heard one audience member say during the early runs of TWOK. That's another beef, TWOK and TSFS proved that the 'impulse deflection crystal' is a major vulnerability. Why did dey do dat?Β
Any how Dave, a great rendering, may go into my favourites folder.
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Thank you very much!
Where did Jeffries indicate that the three circular things were the nav deflectors?
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So Far, short of [and my scanner is ancient and busted] taking a scan of one I purchased and showing you.
There are others out there, but may be out of print.
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1976 era by Geoffery Mandel......www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/β¦
They're on the bow but not labelled, I swear, my copy has them labelled.
1990s...www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/β¦
If I can find more examples, will edit this post.
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It was either Franz Joseph or books that came out later, the three circular things were some gadgets, not oversized portholes, what I meant was, to reiterate, that the original intention of the dish was to be part of the sensor package, the main sensor, that is, beyond that, Jefferies never made any other statements, not even in the Enterprise Evolution prints [no not the blueprints by StarStation Aurora] the copies once sold by Majel Barrett's Lincoln Enterprises,Β the original paintings IIRC, remained in the Roddenberry's personal collection, unless auctioned off. That's why MKF's rendering is my new favourite, because he made them look like something mechanical, rather than "glowy things" . There are one or two examples from that here on DA, I only remember that because I gave the artist a thumbs up on the one that looks like a cross between the C-57D and a bottle opener.
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Woah!.. Just woah!
Great composition and terrific angle.
Second star to the right...
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Thank oyu very much!
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Ah yes, the Miranda-class. One of the Reliant models from Wrath of Khan used to be hanging in the rafters of the Prop Store of London for a while, they were refurbishing it prior to selling it off. My brother used to see it there quite often. He'd have loved to get it himself except for the fact that it was HUGE and the fact that it was, well, "beaucoup dinero" as the saying goes. Beautiful ship. Think it went up for auction in around 2006. It's one of the "Federation Reference Series" books they have all the Franz Joseph ships then add the Miranda-class as well, post-refit version though. I think one of the biggest questions among ship enthusiasts was "What did the pre-refit, Original Series Miranda-class look like?".Β
There were a lot of guesses; the Surya, Benning and Vindicator-class ships and probably the front-runner for a long time, the Coventry-class. I must admit though, the one that takes the prize for me is the USS Copernicus from the Star Trek- New Voyages "Blood and Fire" episode. That just worked for me, the small secondary hull above the primary with the deflector dish and small shuttlebay. Those two rear shuttlebays on the saucer section just didn't seem quite right on a TOS era ship, though it works great on the Refit era one.
(Of course the next big question was "How do they get up and down the pylons to the secondary hull, part of the turbolift network or some sort of dedicated elevator...")
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I actually like the Surya class as the pre-Miranda. It has the clear, simple lines so characteristic for TOS.
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Yes actually, I do see what you mean. Some versions of the Surya have all those greeblies cluttering up the back of the hull, but there are a few (generally the ones with the Saladin-class type deflector dish) that do have that much cleaner TOS aesthetic.Β
Anyway, nice art, lovely play of light across the hull picking out all the detail. Must have taken you hours.
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I bought and built a model of this exact ship (along with the EnterpriseΒ and a Klingon Battlecruiser) at HobbyTown USA in Wichita.
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The Miranda class is the main setting of my fan fiction for the first four seasons. A flight of 12 Miranda class ships will take down a Scimitar class warbird during the battle of Archer 4 during the quadrant war against the Romulans in 2464
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They are good ships!
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Like the Constitution class, they are the workhorses of the fleet.
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The Nebula still looks silly compared to it.
but wait, shouldn't there be the twinned 4-plex defector housings on the underside?
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Well, the Miranda never had any visible deflector array.
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Apparently the "scoops" on the underside of the model and studio model are supposed to be the deflector array. 8 smaller ones taking the place of 1 big one.
(I know, they really needed to fix that concept waaay back in TOS.Β Don't Klingons and romulans ships need deflectors too?)
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