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Did I say something wrong ?
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No, you're alright.
guess now I'm too sick to give a proper reply.
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Oh, I see. Get well soon then
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rip sans, but yeah this makes total sense, i thought of something similar when i was in the shower once
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Showers give people inspirations, don't they?
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Another head-canon that I completely agree with! 83 Maybe not as many "greats/grands" but definitely grandparents in age compared to the rest of the monsters tho in Gerson's case I imagine him to be just a bit older than the goats (like for example the goats are in their 50/60's in humans years whereas Gerson would be in his 100's kinda thing) But yeah xD
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That's pretty like human age xD
By the way, when it's said "human years", it just means Toriel and Asgore are very old compared to humans, not saying all monsters have a super long lifespan. Just to clarify for the potential confusion 
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I mean part of this headcanon is kind of supported from the lore itself - i.e. in the opening of UT, we see someone who looks a lot like Asgore during the war with the humans. And we know Frisk arrives in the Underground "a very long time" after the last child before her... so it makes sense that was born Asriel/Chara fell ages ago (literally?).
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Yes, what you say is most likely the truth.
I personally believe the one who fought against humans was Asgore's father, and Asgore succeeded to the throne and led the survivors afterward.
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Oh, what makes you think it was his father? Is there any info in the game itself I have missed or it just makes sense to you?
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I don't know. Since Asgore is a loyal member and also the leader of the monsters in the underground? xD
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I take the opposite approach to Monster ages. The only Monsters we see who are clearly WAY older than Humans could live all have an excuse of sorts for it. The Boss Monsters only age when they have children, and Asriel never got much further than maybe 12 years old. Gerson is a turtle, a species known for their amazing life spans. But for the other Monsters, we have no evidence of their ages being anything special.
Then you look at Chilldrake. Post-Pacifist, when you go back and talk to him, he's lamenting that he's no longer going to be a teenager soon, and tries to invent new words like "twenty-teen". Seems to me like "Teenager" in Monster-land is the same scale as in Human terms.
I might have had other evidence, but that's all I can remember right now. Anyway, I'm not saying "you're wrong" or anything mean like that. Just stating my own best guess at something that's never confirmed one way or the other.
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Actually, my headcanon about monster age is much closer to your discourse here. (Some live long, some others have a short lifespan. My next headcanon will address this if I ever draw it)
So the discussion of "human years" is only specially applied to Boss monsters' case. (the example of Toriel and Asgore being like Frisk's grandgrandgrandgrandgrand... grandparents)
It appears that most of the monsters in the underground are too young to understand what humans are. In addition, as long as there's no evidence of "all monsters live long", I won't assume they would.
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Still would have loved to see how frisk fits into that diagram.
I mean in a way a lot of times it feels like sans could be a grandpa in human years already ^^°
(Well or even more...)
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My original diagram included Chara's and Frisk's age actually.
But Frisk's case is more complicated than others and it might be a spoiler, I just feel it's too much trouble to do this. And there's no actual space for them in the end anyway xD
ps. In my headcanon, Sans is not that old compared to human years
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Well, if you count resets and/or absence i suppose that might change a few things as well.
But it's still nice to know your sans is actually a tad younger
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Pfffft BAHAHAHAHAHAH!
This is just hilarious! Can we just give the humor award to Triangle-cat right now?
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Thank you very much!! I will accept it now (???)
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No worries, the point is on the second panel anyway
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Thank you for sharing your idea!
I think monsters are not necessarily all living much longer than humans though. It's just stated in-game how long the Boss monsters are supposed to live. So other people's age is rather up to everyone's guess.
But anyway, even though I would prefer to leave it a room, I love how you analyze the age of skeleton brothers and Frisk.
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Hehe it's no problem. I just figure that he is just a few years older. I mean papyrus and him could be the same age if you go with the gaster in two halves theroy. But I dont think that. I believe that sans was first and is more logical in his mind of how things go. Which explains the wordplay and the love of maths and sciences. My take on his taking up more jobs than he knows what to do with is that he doesnt like to be bored, and possibly avoid sleep because of nightmares. Lol I'm just overthinking again.
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Well. Yeah. Tori and Gori are older than recorded human history if they're pre-war. Boss monsters don't age without living kids. They're at least... Four... Thousand??? The relationship between Toriel and Sans always reminded me of myself and a colleague of mine who is in his seventies. And we are buddies. I'd never wanna date the guy, that'd be super super weird. Sans and Pap come across as being college-age-ish.
Unless you take into account the idea that Asgore was not the king at the time of the war. There's no hard proof he was, him and Toriel may have met and married and so on in the underground. In fact, when we're told that Gerson is the only monster around from pre-war, nobody says "aside from the king and queen." For all we know the ruler during the war was Asgore or Toriel's grandparent or something. But yeah, even with biological kiddos, Toriel and Asgore age waaaaay slower than normal monsters, and definetly immortal compared to humans.
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I personally believe Toriel's and Asgore's (who's Gori tho lol) ages do not include the pre-war era. Though, just like you say, they can still be old enough to appear immortal.
And the case of you and your colleague is a quite decent example for the situation of Sans and Toriel. Honestly, it's not impossible that people can date and marry with big age gaps like this, but it's just rare to see in common.
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("Gori" Is a nickname for King Asgore just like Tori is short for Toriel.)
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omg YESS!!!! This is always the way I've thought about them too! It just makes a lot more sense in my head, but this cute little diagram really solidifies the idea xD
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High five!!
What should I say? I love drawing diagrams!!
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Thanks! I do believe they themselves are cute haha
And you're right. When your best friend becomes one of your in-law relatives......that would be probably pretty weird and funny? lol
But I agree Toriel is everybody's mom or grandma!! They can still be the best punny friends xD
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*When you come across someone that shares your head canon*
MY FANDOM SIBLING! <3
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Well, looking at this chart, it seems to state that Sans and Papyrus are the two youngest in the group of monsters
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There are still some others younger than skeleton brothers. The chat just overlaps their ages together.
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I meant in with the main cast
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What is Toriel and Asgore's age?
IT'S OVER 9000 !
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They are like immortal to humans now
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