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Published: 2002-12-09 19:48:24 +0000 UTC; Views: 6648; Favourites: 20; Downloads: 710
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Green version, and the map at the back has been replaced with a higher res version.The United Nations says Iraq is being very cooperative. George The Bush says this isn't encouraging.
And Jack Straw - gotta admire his timing.
The blinds are on - and the aircraft carriers are moving into place.
Fisk was right.
If you have an opinion on this whole thing - either way, please comment.
This needs voice.
If you see this...well, you must have an opinion on the matter. People will die. Speak your mind.
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that's so cool i love dat pic nd i'm sorry about ma last comment
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I (like all the others) thought u were insulting Iraq, and was about to get angry.
but man,this is amazing! i love it.
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Glad you got the message, and glad you liked it - thanks!
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I printed this and wrote the rights with a sharpie, and I intend it at school. I hope you don't mind..?
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Not a misanthrope, just an asshole.
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insert dubble lolz here.
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yey man it sucks to fight a ghost war. we have no reason. my dad was in it. hes good now but still it hurt me to go through it. anyway all those facts are cool. really proves the point that iraq is not the only enemy. its a big one but not the only one. soo yea i cant find the words to say so ill be seein ya
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omg that's awesome, first i saw fuck iraq and i was gona get angry but then i looked at the close up version, love how it captures ur attention, it's awesome man great job
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You can now use the same map, (i hope you kept the basic background) to make the
GET THE FUCK OUT OF IRAN
GET THE FUCK OUT OF SYRIA
GET THE FUCK OUT OF LEBANON
GET THE FUCK OUT OF TURKEMENISTAN
GET THE FUCK OUT OF SOMALIA
aaandd so on and so on
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Unfortunately, yes - those would be equally effective nowadays.
Sad.
Possible, but not sure I still have the stomach for it.
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MAN this is a work of PURE genius.....i was about to VOMIT IN RAGE and start yelling at you when i saw the small version.....
and thanks for mentioning us too man ! not many people admit that the USA hasnt been fair in our struggle.
Salam from Palsetine.
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For all the ages All the super powers have ever come to the controller of the world had the authority and gave too much pain all over the world.Too many countries had golden ages. But one golden age comes the other one finishes always. So the golden age of USA will finish near future i think and they also give cruelty to the world befure they ve gone
NOT WAR MAKE PEACE...
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nice one mate, i think it is alot better in green
also i think that the use of fuck isnt quite needed although i do see your need to express anger at this.
i personal lough bush and that culture and iam total against the war.
unfortuanlly doing art such as this and posting it in devart, isnt goignt o change anythin, but i hope many poeple will see this and change there minds but thats not likly,
but those in power cannot live forever, and as we the younger generation shall have our vote and hopefully change thing for a more left wing approach, (still rather have blair than howard tho)
keep it up, and have fun
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I agree on all counts but one, the ICC can't be ratified by the US because it simply isn't constitutional. I would love to have it in place, but, they really can't. They could be better about it, like you said in the last part of the ICC paragraph.
So much useless killing.
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"When I first clicked on this deviation I was ready to go off about how you are a hate monger. Then I saw what it really is, clever. Ive got my opinion on the whole thing but I don't feel the need to discuss politics on an art website..." -ironsheik
so its okay to monger hate, as long as you agree with the target of that hate?
okay. at least we know where you stand.
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This is good work, lots of information and catches the eye, more of a political advert than anything.
My take on all this, as a native New Yorker and having been through 9/11, the whole world is in chaos. Iraq is a small problem, there are so many other things going on itβs not even funny. Bush has his eye set on Saddam; it's just his focus right now. Who knows if itβs the most important focus and quite frankly who cares.
As for the USA, I love this country and like any place on this earth, we have major problems. I always think backwards on these things, I hate politics, so when I even bother to speak on them I really make sure my views are out of the ordinary. America is the most powerful country in the world, thatβs a given, but we need other countries to survive. At the same time our power grants us this two way street that seems to piss many people off.
One, having all this money and power means everyone expects the USA to protect them in the name of good. It also means we must protect the capital of others, as some could need financing in hard times. If we didn't do these things it would piss off the world and more than likely we would have a war on our own soil due to angry people overseas thinking we are selfish and assholes. Two, our power and money means we have to have a presence almost all over the world as to not anger everyone for not being a protector of evil. This pisses people off since everyone thinks we are greedy and seems to look like we are pissing on everyoneβs lawn.
I would call this a Catch-22 or you could say the US is stuck between a rock and a hard place. One can't work without the other, get accustomed to it, it is just how things will be. Although not a fan of Pres. Bush I don't speak too much about our government, there is of course a lot of shady stuff that takes place here but a lot of good is done also.
Everything is not bad though, right here in NYC there are happy people, I am happy, and I accept the world as it is. I do my best to brighten up any fellow humans day and attend to mine equally. I don't waste my time with things that I could never change; I start right here, in my loft, on my block, in my city. Hopefully one day that will mean enough to make a difference in anotherβs life.
People need to look at themselves, their friends and the people around them, how well do you treat them? How can you complain about another when you yourself are but a mess, how can you complain about a group if you can't treat a single person with respect? Maybe taking these small steps can spread to far places and hopefully spread to our children that will inherit this land after our short lives are over. To me that is what counts and nothing else.
in the Middle East
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awesome - opens ppls eyes i hope
more on my other site if anyone is interested
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You rock.
Please make prints available of this if you have a printing account... the statement is incredible.
+Fav!
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people die, they have to. if they didn't die from war they would die from being over crowded..... in the big picture, people die from war because war is another necessity of life. so get the fuck over it.
i dont like war, but its necessary.
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I would like to see proof of evidence of each of the things u stated here. I think you bent stuff a little bit too much.
The intention of this poster is mostly discriminatory towards the US but it is trying to stop a possible war. So I guess thats the values behind it. But me being a full blooded american kinda get appauled by it. . But everyones opion. hehe. GJ keep up the good work.
Now Musta (please do not respond flame)
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The US had a chance at that moment. They could make a decision to "turn the other cheek". But the US didn't turn the other cheek, they didn't realise what 9/11 was. It was a cry for change, it was a cry to stop interfering in the world and it was a cry of anger. It certainly was a bad and wrong thing (9/11 that is) and was one of the worst ways to go about "negotiating" with the US but it happened nonetheless. The US could have turned around, offered more aid instead of bombs, offered peace instead of pain, offered help instead of death. But that didn't happen and the bombs did fall, as they have been falling since the end of US isolationism. America wanted blood; they wanted revenge and they got it in the form of thousands of murders in Afghanistan, not to mention the property damage. Now more will die in order to appease America, in order to defeat the "potential threat" of the Axis of Evil. How many will have to die for Americans to feel safe?
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why would the US just turn the other cheek without getting those that did the damage?
Austro Hungry did the same thing In WWI my friend, but they must be the "Axis of Evil" You obviously know nutthing of 9/11 and ur comments sadden me.
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they wanted revenge and they got it in the form of thousands of murders in Afghanistan, not to mention the property damage
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we hunted terrorist organization supported by many ppl there. And the US gave financial aid and food to get the country back to its feet from the damage and help rebuild.
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The US could have turned around, offered more aid instead of bombs,
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let me bomb one of ur prized buildings and let all ur brothers, sisters and friends die in the accident and then go around and sitll be peaceful. Do not comment on things you do not know hardly about besides watching the televison. I say the same thing for whats happening in Israel. I dont know what really emotional impact thats going on there since I aint there. So I can only comment. Im srry valis you have to agree with me. You cannot possibly know how someone feels until your in their shoes, And i believe that applys for all of us. Lets just all hope for the better end.
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I've always loved stuff that at a glance looks like something else...
Not quiet sure I'd want to be the one holding it up at a peace march though.... some people don't take the time to read, and I hate getting hit by stuff
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Sorry forgot to vote, maybe my comment was more important than a vote. Nonetheless, good work in sparking a debate.
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It seemed that after September 11th many people were sympathetic to the Americans. Many people felt sorry for what had happen (myself included) and deeply saddened. The US had a chance at that moment. They could make a decision to "turn the other cheek". But the US didn't turn the other cheek, they didn't realise what 9/11 was. It was a cry for change, it was a cry to stop interfering in the world and it was a cry of anger. It certainly was a bad and wrong thing (9/11 that is) and was one of the worst ways to go about "negotiating" with the US but it happened nonetheless. The US could have turned around, offered more aid instead of bombs, offered peace instead of pain, offered help instead of death. But that didn't happen and the bombs did fall, as they have been falling since the end of US isolationism. America wanted blood; they wanted revenge and they got it in the form of thousands of murders in Afghanistan, not to mention the property damage. Now more will die in order to appease America, in order to defeat the "potential threat" of the Axis of Evil. How many will have to die for Americans to feel safe?
I can understand what it's like to be afraid, but I want every single American to imagine for one second what a poor law-abiding Iraqi feels like right now. He sees George W. Bush on his TV (or more likely some collective television) telling him that his country will be bombed and invaded. His house could be hit at any moment, during his sleep, while he's at work, and his wife and children killed at ANY moment because George Bush thinks that Iraq may be evil. That's fear.
American foreign policy is causing too much hate and anger and it's cyclical. The more America goes to war, the more the rest of the world hates the US, the more the Americans want to fight the rest of the world. Something has to change. I fear that the change will not be a peaceful one. I fear for innocent Americans who will suffer for their governments (and somewhat) their ignorance, much like they did in 9/11. I fear for the "aggressors" and the innocents that surround them, for they will feel the wrath of America.
If I was American I would be afraid too because people who want to solve things without violence (like me) are a rare commodity nowadays.
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for the record, "An historic achievement" is correct, "A historic..." is not.
so take it back, icedangel.
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oh god, what a fucking can of worms this is..
i'll hate myself for this later, but i gotta comment.
how is "staying the fuck away from iraq" a good idea? it's a situation that needs to be dealt with and ignoring it will not make it go away. i'm american and i am not too happy about us playing the international policeman role, but unfortunately no one else has the capability to do it. teddy roosevelt said "speak softly and carry a big stick." well, i agree that we don't speak as softly as we should, but we've got the big stick. so we're stuck doing the dirty work. everybody likes to bash the u.s. even a lot of americans, but why shouldn't we do what's best for us? to say this is all about oil is ludicrous, but even if it was - so what? every other nation on earth looks out for it's own interests, so why shouldn't the u.s.? right now, it's in our interest to remove saddam hussein from power and to cripple iraq's offensive capabilites. gaining access to oil supplies would be a nice bonus. i'd personally prefer the political assassination method to a full blown war and all the civilian casaulties it would cause, but i'm not going to pretend that i know enough about the political dynamics of iraq, or the middle east in general, to know what would happen if saddam got whacked.
in short, i'm just sick of people knocking my country, which seems to be the popular thing to do these days. yeah, we look out for our own interests and sometimes other people get screwed. welcome to life on planet earth.
this is my opinion and i'm entitled to it. if you disagree and want to post a comment, do it here at the source. if you want to flame my page, i can't stop you - but you know that's a bullshit thing to do.
as for this deviation, it's visually well put together, and obviously eye-catching. good job.
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well in an artistic view: I enjoy the background very much nice idea, Uhmm found a grammer mistake though under "Internation Criminal Court" it should be"A historic achievement" not "An historic..." Just to point that out
In a political opinion from my own personal ethics... eek the concept is one-sided. Have you taken into realization of all the civilians that Suddam has killed in the past few years? I'm sorrie but in my own personal opinion and being enlisted into the U.S. Navy, I think we should just take him out and get it over with. Sadly Carter signed that law saying we cannot assasinate leaders of other countries. The whole situation as a whole just sucks dude. It's a hard call to make...
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though saddam has to be taken out of power, he's a power hungry dictator genocidal bastard, but it would be better to have some sort of covert ops than a full scale invasion
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war and death is the only certainty (i know thats probably spselt wrong, i cant b assed checking the dictionary lol) in this world. and the US will act, just to save face as they are making Iraq look like nazi germany. and , as ever, the UK will follow our "allies" (more like masters) the US. its a big shit sandwich and we're all gonna have to take a bite
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schabella "if someone punches you while your not looking would you not strike back??"
last time i checked it was Osama that did the "punch" you seem to be refering to. Last time i also checked Dubya didn't catch him, and he's back at work like nothing happened, i also noticed that Dubya is now onto Iraq, which wasn't part of the punch, but infact a nice way to divert away from the fact that he fialed his mission to get Osama, just like PaPa Bush failed to finish the job in Iraq the first time. Seems to me he wants to go to Iraq again so badly that it's the only thing in the news. perfectly placed so that people would forget about his mission in afghanistan and forget that he failed there, perfectly placed so that if he goes to war it's "supposed" to boost his incredibly weak economy, and perfectly placed that if he actually succeeds, people will concider him a hero.. in a sad sad sad way might i add..
now about that punch... seems to me it's rather off the topic of iraq, yet it all links back to it.. interesting ain't it.. yet there's sooo much more to it then just these listtle events..
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schabella "if someone punches you while your not looking would you not strike back??"
last time i checked it was Osama that did the "punch" you seem to be refering to. Last time i also checked Dubya didn't catch him, and he's back at work like nothing happened, i also noticed that Dubya is now onto Iraq, which wasn't part of the punch, but infact a nice way to divert away from the fact that he fialed his mission to get Osama, just like PaPa Bush failed to finish the job in Iraq the first time. Seems to me he wants to go to Iraq again so badly that it's the only thing in the news. perfectly placed so that people would forget about his mission in afghanistan and forget that he failed there, perfectly placed so that if he goes to war it's "supposed" to boost his incredibly weak economy, and perfectly placed that if he actually succeeds, people will concider him a hero.. in a sad sad sad way might i add..
now about that punch... seems to me it's rather off the topic of iraq, yet it all links back to it.. interesting ain't it.. yet there's sooo much more to it then just these listtle events..
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I think the pic is cool and I understand your way of thinking, but to bash a nation because of a few choices a few men made is not really the smart way to think.Are you not yourself spreading more of the hate that is already too wide spread.
As for americans being war mongers, your not completely wrong , but you also have to factor in the countries that have come to us for our help. Wasnt just us saying "Lets beat them up"!
We are also not Racist as you so put it either, more then enough americans would welcome you into their home with open arms if your coming as a friend NOT a foe.
IF someone punches you while your not looking would you not strike back ??
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not long ago, about a month or two now, National Geographic released a study they did all over the world. I found the results interesting and had to do the quiz myself. I did pretty damn good, but the results on average from around the world were SHOCKING!!!
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READ IT, then comment..
some of the FAST facts:
Among 18- to 24-year-old Americans given maps:
87 percent cannot find Iraq on a map of the world
83 percent cannot find Afghanistan on a map of the world
76 percent cannot find Saudi Arabia on a map of the world
70 percent cannot find New Jersey on a map of the US
49 percent cannot find New York on a map of the US
11 percent cannot find the United States on a map of the world.
now, explain this to me, after 9/11. how in GODS NAME CAN YOU NOT FIND NEW YORK CITY ON A MAP OF YOUR OWN COUNTRY!!
and how the HELL do you not know what you're own country looks like on a map of the world?
yet you're going to war against countries you can't find?
sadens me to see this.
seems to me it's time people do a little research.
Valis- you're sooo right on sooo many points, i love the way you know your history, seems it's few and far between that people know their stuff..
and just before i go,
-President Bush had only been to europe once before becoming president.
-While a senator, a canadian comedian asked him if Canada's Premiere "Jean Poutine" (Really Jean Chretien) was doing a good job, he said yes. When later informed that he'd made a major mistake on the issue, he vowed to never make the mistake again. While running for Presidency, the question was asked to him AND Al Gore (quite the smart man, too bad he's not president) who the Premiere of Canada was. Bush STILL didn't know the answer, and Gore's answer "Jean Chretien, he's the leader of the Liberal party and i do believe they're having an election at the same time as our own"
ciao
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Erai -
Thanks for liking the wallpaper, though
No hard feeling, I'm a rambler.
Sometimes.
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[erai said - 1. The figures on the "innocent" civvies in afgan, and who killed them? the us or the taliban? hard to tell. dead is dead I know, but you make it out like the us soilders went out and killed them for the hell of it. Also, the sanctions on Iraq arn't killing babies, saddams use of the money he gets from oil sells to buy weapons and palaces is the cause...duh.]
No, I make it out like the US decided to go to war against afghanistan, to take over the country, at a time which conviniently followed the Taliban's refusal to allow an American oil pipeline in the country. All on the pretext of capturing the HEAD of 'terrorism' - Bin Laden. The Taliban explicitly said they'd hand him over if an international court found the evidence compelling. The US simply went to war, knowing full well that bombing results in dead people. Knowing full well innocents would be murdered. NOT knowing, for certain or otherwise - in any case - no legal engagement was sustained - they just bombed the damn country. Like they bombed Baghdad - 30,000 dead. Soldiers? People? Children? Ever heard of Dresden? Ditto.
Pure utter murder. The soldier who murders an innocent man is also murdering his own constitution.
[erai said - 2. Then you're a kettle calling the pot black.]
When the Chileans elected their first democratic president, Salvador Allende, it was the US that supported a coup d'etat by an opposing group. On September 11, 1973 - Salvador Allende was murdered. Who did the US put in power? A certain Pinochet - who then went on to perpetrate horrific human rights abuses for over 17 years or so.
The US supports these things, I could almost say they plan them.
Sure - there's no paper somewhere saying "Let's KILL Everybody" - but there's an understanding (look up the P.N.A.C. - and examine who it's members are) - that the US Applies Democracy (and questionable election results) internally - but does not Apply it internationally. The US is inherently racist. Again - I am not referring to the people. I am MOST certainly referring to the government - look at the people in it, dude. Look at their belief systems - their cognitive maps.
So keeping the pot and kettle out of it - I say this:
The US has effectively (with the use of huge aircraft carriers, tens of thousands of nukes, etc...) placed itself as a power. However, between the administrations arrogance and the populations general international ignorance - let's face it - most Americans know JACK about the 'rest of the world' - between those things - the power is more than abused.
Hell, man - I learned to READ off a Spiderman comic, but America doesn't even understand it's constitution anymore. Man, read the constitution, and then look at the amendments, the laws, all the 'acts' that followed. Read up on some Gore Vidal. Think of what McVeigh said before they 'exterminated' him.
Why do I put the blame on the US? Because although the US effectively tries to rule the world, I don't get to vote. If an Egyptian can't vote in the US Elections, then by God, US policy better stay the fuck out of Egypt. And Vice-versa.
The US, in short, has it's beak everywhere.
And it's not tasting like an Eagle, dude.
It's tasting like a vulture.
[erai said 3 - I know quite will the history of the Egyption/Israel war and skirmishes. I didn't say anything about it anyway, I was talking more about your government actively funding terrorist groups and harboring them. 'Course that may be (alittle) different know, but if you're going to bash the US on our past decisions then I'll bash your gov's past choices also.]
The first 'terrorist' acts in Egypt were actually Zionist. Look up information on the King David hotel, and the cinema fires in Egypt.
If you think that's far-fetched, well, it isn't.
When the Zionists initially decided to try to come to Palestine, after they'd dismissed Uganda as an option (so much for theology) - they initially approached the Ottoman emperor of the time. They claimed to represent (as they still do..) the Jewry (in fact, in America only 22% of jews consider themselves zionist) - and they asked the emperor to buy the land to settle there. The emperor - figured - this sounds like a Jewish issue - or is being phrased in those terms - so he asked his Grand Hakham - essentially - the leader of all the Ottoman Empire jews - what HE thought. And you know, he said - nope - what have they to do with us?
Well, it's a long story. Apparently triggered by bad treatment of the jews in Europre - culminating in that Dreyfus moment that Herzel suffered.
But now? The US beating the shit out of the world - and has completely lost it's moral compass. I know the 'people' still have it - cause they understand things the government doesn't. They understand Spiderman, and they understand that the notion of a man willing to die for his convictions is as close as Die Hard or Rambo. They understand some of these things, but they're busy paying off credit cards, and they can't spell afghanistan, and they don't know this world.
They need to grow up. But until they do, they're the school bully running a rape gang.
The War on Terrorism is the biggest murder franchise ever.
Ever.
I've gone on for FAR too long.
Grace,
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erai
1. Which facts are bent?
2. No, we have a shitty human rights record - that doesn't mean I want to see more suffering inflicted on more people. On the contrary it makes me more sympathetic to humanitarian concerns.
'Evil Capitalists Pigs' ? lol
As for 'wars of aggression' ? I'm not quite sure what you're on about...if you're even thinking of considering the Egypt/'Israel' wars as acts of aggression FROM Egypt, then you're simply nuts.
Let me put it this way. A hundred years ago - there was no 'Israel' - you think people just got up and left? You think 'Israel' came out of the ground? Like an olive tree?
Read some history, dude.
Please.
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Fuck Iraq was rather cool then I looked at the full deviation...oh well. And you're from Egypt? Oh wow, shall we go over your country's wonderful record on human rights and wars of aggression? ^_^ Oh well, hell I'm actually gonna give this a "like" vote, because its interesting to see other peoples points of views. Oh and the afgan war and the iraq sanctions info isn't overly accurate, kinda one of those "we'll bend the truth to make the evil capitalist pigs look bad" type things. But hey, you use your facts and I'll use mine. ^_^
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Wow this is rather interesting ... I see there is more to this then fucking iraq ... nice work ...
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cool stuff, i read the big print and was about to totally blow you away, then i read the little stuff, and i am down
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To Bobknight,
They'd miss.
I don't live in the US, 'bro'.
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Hey person that made this, ur right maybe we should back off Iraq so when they build their warheads and weapons of mass destruction they can use them on the US and ur house good thinkin bro....
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