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Published: 2010-08-31 23:42:01 +0000 UTC; Views: 2285; Favourites: 29; Downloads: 17
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If you still support this monumentally stupid war, and the monumentally stupid people who started it, go ahead and let everyone know so we can give you a piece of our minds.So yeah in case you haven't figured out from my deviantID, I'm not a big fan of the Iraq War, though my reasons are somewhat more cold and cynical than those who've directly lost loved ones would have.
I decided to make this as a reminder of all that we've gone through with this war, and when I say "we" I'm talking about all parties involved, not just my country. Now that its almost over, (at least on paper) I felt like this had to be made.
Remember the fallen, and never make this mistake again.
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And it should be kept in mind that this war brought ISIS into the world.
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No it won't end.... It will never and until all sides realize that what Iraq needs is a reason to stay united and moderate until that day comes I fear there will be more bloodshed as the country is being constantly near the state of being torn apart by conflict
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I really think we should be focusing on ourselves more. Frankly, we were only getting in the way of anything over there.
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Due have you seen thos conterys, it the lacke of outside interfear that the problem
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I loathe those who started this bull shit. Cuz it wasn't just the soldiers who were affected, it was the families, too. I'd like to see these politicians, and their families, go through half of what mine has, and then they don't even fucking care what happens to their soldiers afterward. And now they speak of expanding the military when they can't even care for what they have now? Fuck them all, and their war of lies, and their pointless bickering, they can all fall into the pits of hell and burn for all I care
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Re thinking. Reports say they are rethinking of pulling out.
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While I agree the War is the stupidest act in American history except maybe the civil war... Actually I think you got it covered... Good work!
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Uh, Iraq is bad, but to be fair, the Trail of Tears, or maybe Vietnam might be worth consideration as the "stupidest act in American History."
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techly you won the Vietnam war.
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No, we lost that one fair and square. When you retreat with your tail between your legs, you lost.
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well lost fair and square is still up in the air, from what I see form both side of the debate. But I will say the war was conduct poorly. a better plan would have to support the south with just military air support and genrael aid. heak if they knew how far the commie will go to hold on to power that have broken the vi cong.
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Personally I believe that the "dumbest act in American history" would have to be the 1953 Coup in Iran. We could have a large, powerful, and valuable ally in the Middle East but NO, we have to have another large nation over that way that detests us.
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Yeah getting into a war we didn't have any interest at all in (referring to Vietnam. From what I understand we fought Vietnam to stop the spread of communism.) is actually more dumb than infighting or going to war over resources (that we could have just bought *cough*) like in Iraq. Trail of tears was an act of hatred and Oppression, Pretty stupid but not as bad as invading those "fellers over thar" cause they want to be commies.
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Not quite over. not yet. It wasn't over in 89, nor was it over with Clinton's enforcement of the murderous sanctions or the bombings he ordered or under the bloody reign of Bush junior. It certainly wont end under Obama. This is just another phase.
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Oh no, we'll be the Iraqi air force for the foreseeable future, and we'll advise the Iraqi security force for quite some time. But the fact is that so long as the US bases in Iraq are unharmed, the rest of the country can go to hell. Its what we do, save for Vietnam, when we invade a country, win, lose, or draw, we don't leave.
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And therein lies the problem but I think we see eye to eye on this one and no sense beating a dead horse. God knows I've talked about our morally defunct foreign policies more than I'd care to admit. Nice work by the way, the message was very clear and we've all come to be familiarized with the map of Iraq so it was a nice touch.
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Funny how, in all that whining, not once do you think to ask if the problem with the war was perhaps how it was being fought. Kinda hard to end a war when one doesn't want to win or lose.
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whether the war was conducted properly or not, it was one started on false pretenses. But yes, it was definitely led the wrong way, Rumsfeld FUCKED it up royally.
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The war may have been started under false pretenses, but the idea that it was somehow immoral is false. A nation's right to soveriengty comes from the right of its people to be free from the initiation of force; any nation that violates that right can't claime it in turn.
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it still doesn't justify its invasion. Then lets liberate every freakin country that is ruled by dictators... OH WAIT how many of those do we current support? a good amount. your arguament is null and void. Next!
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"it still doesn't justify its invasion."
How so? Do you mean to tell me that you believe a dictator has the right to abuse his people?
"Then lets liberate every freakin country that is ruled by dictators... OH WAIT how many of those do we current support? a good amount. your arguament is null and void. Next!"
So says the man with no argument. And please don't make ASSumptions about me (it's very irritating); I don't support that policy, though I would point out that being allied with them gives us a bit of control over them, more so than being enemies with them would.
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again, we should not be in the business of liberating people, especially hypocritical if we ascended the man there. This 'messianic' message of exporting democracy is void and inconsistent with the ideals of our founding fathers who warned about foreign mires and unnecessary entanglements. Tell me, how has this war made the American people better off?
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"Tell me, how has this war made the American people better off?"
There's one less dictator in the world. Frankly, that's a perk for any free people.
"again, we should not be in the business of liberating people, especially hypocritical if we ascended the man there."
I'm not saying we should be (I'm a big proponent of America withdrawing from the role of world policeman). My point is that the war is not immoral because Saddam had no claim to be free from the use of force. I'm not saying it was a necessary war or a smart one, but immoral is one word that definitly doesn't fit in with it.
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When has war ever been moral? War can be justified but it's not moral.
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A war is moral if it's in rational self-defense against an aggressor, because rational self-defense is a right of man. As I said in my earlier post, in order for the war to be immoral, Saddam would've had to have a right to be a tyrant over the Iraqi people. I don't know about you, but I don't find that a very good idea to push.
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Is it moral for young men who don't know each other to kill one another because some old men said you should kill him? Is it moral to destroy the lives of innocent people in the process of victory?
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No, but that isn't what I was referring to.
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No I'm just correcting you on that. I understand what you're saying. War can definitely be justified. But there's a difference between that and morality.
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You think it's immoral to defend one's life and freedom (real freedom, not what the politicians use)?
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No. It's wrong to kill someone you don't even know to defend a piece of land.
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I didn't say a piece of land, I said one's life and freedom. And the fact that I don't know them doesn't change the fact that they initiated the aggression (do you think I bloody know a burglar who breaks into my home).
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I'm not talking about the people who did it. When we go to war we send young men who had nothing to do with it. Plus we're the aggressors. Iraq and Afghanistan had nothing to do with 9/11. It was a guy from Saudi Arabia who commissioned a bunch of guys from Egypt.
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Are you reading my posts? Earlier, I clearly stated that a nation's right to soveriegnty (eg, it's right to be free from foreign aggression) comes from the right of its people to be free from the initiation of force. Any nation that violates this right (eg, a dictatorial nation) of its people cannot claim it against foreigners. Being able to claim rights while violating them is a contradiction, which do not exist by nature.
I don't give a damn if Iraq or Afghanistan had a hand in 9/11 (we went into Afghanistant because that's where the bastard was hiding) or not; both were outlaw nations and had no claim to the right to be free from force.
And those young men we send voluntarily sign up for such duty, so don't try to play like they're a bunch of pawns. They knew what they were signing up to do.
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I kind of ran out of room. Mostly cause it was such a cluster fuck from a geopolitical, logistics, legal, and emotional standpoint on its own. It was a winnable war... for about three months in 2003-2004, but the level of incompetence from the Presidency, the commanders on the ground, and Congress was too staggering to even get a victory out of a war of choice.
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